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AIBU to think my husband is too harsh about five-year-olds cartwheel?

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Fawncard · Yesterday 16:32

Me and DH are married 7 years.
We have a 5 year old DD, DD and DH constantly clash. He thinks it's funny winding her up but she often gets upset about it and he sometimes wont stop until she is in tears. Like let me be clear its mostly just childish stuff like taking the cup he knows she likes things like that he will always give it back to her but he seems to enjoy seeing her get annoyed which is starting to become a red flag for me.
Anyway over the last 2 days DD has being trying to do a cartwheel.... she thinks she can do a cartwheel (she cannot do a cartwheel and does not want advice on how to do a cartwheel she wants to do it "herself") she has been practicing and practicing. When she asks me to watch her I will find something positive, "well done you are working really hard at that" "woah that one was much higher" etc etc. But DH just keeps going "that's not a cartwheel" and keeps giving her unwanted advice and putting on videos of kids doing actual cartwheels which is annoying and upsetting DD and today she again ended upnin tears and DH just seems so unapologetic about it.
He says he doesn't want her to be "delusional" but at her age I wanted to be a bloody unicorn 5 year olds are allowed to be delusional.
He thinks I'm being too soft I think he's being an arsehole. AIBU?

OP posts:
pictoosh · Yesterday 17:39

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 17:23

yanbu OP that he is being too harsh on your DD. He is being emotionally abusive and the only Yabu about is the fact you are just passively letting him do it.

Yes blame the OP. Excellent.

OP, I think a lot of men are socially conditioned to behave this way. It takes all the joy out of encouragement and misses the opportunity to boost another's self esteem. It's not that they don't have the capacity to do better, they just bulldoze their miserable, critical crap through everything because they're full of themselves.
Wankers.

WWomble · Yesterday 17:40

Fawncard · Yesterday 17:29

Literally only yesterday I said it to him if he can't think of anything positive to say don't say anything at all and he took it so badly which is ironic because he gets annoyed at DD for not taking his "advice" in good spirit. He shut down the conversation but i thought he had listened however today she came to me upset today saying he put on videos trying to show her how to do a cartwheel and then held the remote out of reach when she tried to turn it off.
He's ND so I think he genuinely doesn't realise he's being a prick

He’s ND - that’s no excuse, he needs to learn the right way to respond to his daughter before he ruins their relationship and her self confidence.

PartoftheBand · Yesterday 17:40

I feel like every other day on here there are posts about utterly unreasonable, pig ignorant, nasty, cruel, arrogant, emotionally abusive fathers and husbands whose excuse is that they're "ND". As far as I'm aware, being ND shouldn't be an excuse to be a complete arsehole.

latetothefisting · Yesterday 17:42

Pumpkindice · Yesterday 17:30

Treat him the same. Every time you see him interact with her
You need to make a 5 year old feel small
You're not capable of empathy are you?
You're not very good with children are you?
You didn't get enough hugs as a child did you?
You need to make a child feel bad so you feel powerful in comparison don't you?
You're not very bright are you? Here's I can show you some videos of people who are!

I mean, realistically I'm not suggesting you do that, but I bet he wouldn't want you to be 'factual' or 'just honest' with him. It's nothing to do with being honest, it's entirely his ego.

and for an added bonus, call him by his dad's name as you do so, given your comment that he's following his example of shitty parenting.

Fawncard · Yesterday 17:43

Downplayit · Yesterday 17:32

I think fathers have a tendency to be over critical. If its low level its potentially helping build resilience but from what you've described its over the top. Also if he is like this with a 5 year old its quite worrying to think how he will be with a 13 year old especially if she hasn't been able to build high self-esteem in the first place. Does he praise her on somethings or is he just relentlessly negative?. If so you need to deal with it for the sake of your daughters future happiness and confidence.

He's really positive and encouraging about her artwork/reading most things really. He has some experience with gymnastics so I think he feels like everyone should heed his advice with no allowance for the fact that she's 5 and doesnt want advice from anyone.... they are actually very similar in a lot of ways. He's very good dad in a lot of ways but that doesn't excuse this behaviour.

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ChocolateCinderToffee · Yesterday 17:44

My father used to wind me up this way, to the point where I would be in tears, then he would sulk because I'd 'hurt his feelings'.

We weren't close.

You need to put a stop to this NOW, OP, else it will come back and bite all of you.

redjaffacake · Yesterday 17:47

Horrible cruel man.

Maray1967 · Yesterday 17:49

This needs to stop right now, OP. I’d be stopping it one way or another. Personally I’d go in for relentless punishment of him at every opportunity because I believe in teaching people like this hard lessons. I’d tell him the next time he holds something out of her reach that she is allowed to have, something of his will be disappearing. The next time he is unpleasant about what she is trying to learn, you’ll make sure he is humiliated at the next family gathering.

You’ve tried to explain it to him - and he has ignored you. So give him both barrels.

MrsOvertonsWindow · Yesterday 17:49

Fawncard · Yesterday 17:43

He's really positive and encouraging about her artwork/reading most things really. He has some experience with gymnastics so I think he feels like everyone should heed his advice with no allowance for the fact that she's 5 and doesnt want advice from anyone.... they are actually very similar in a lot of ways. He's very good dad in a lot of ways but that doesn't excuse this behaviour.

Is he a good Dad if he's bullying her like this OP? I don't see it tbh. Are you sure he's not undermining and belittling her over her reading / artwork etc? Because this seems like pretty deliberate behaviour to me.

Good Dads build up their child's confidence. Love them unconditionally. Cherish them. That's not what he's doing.

omghereistrouble · Yesterday 17:49

He is destroying her self confidence and her sense of wonder
he is stopping her learning in her own way

CaptainMyCaptain · Yesterday 17:51

He's a dick.

Fawncard · Yesterday 17:52

MrsOvertonsWindow · Yesterday 17:49

Is he a good Dad if he's bullying her like this OP? I don't see it tbh. Are you sure he's not undermining and belittling her over her reading / artwork etc? Because this seems like pretty deliberate behaviour to me.

Good Dads build up their child's confidence. Love them unconditionally. Cherish them. That's not what he's doing.

No she loves showing him her artwork or reading for him, she wants to show off to him all the time with those things because he is always so encouraging but when it comes to anything sporty she absolutely hates having him involved as he sucks any bit of fun out of it.

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Mildmanneredmum · Yesterday 17:53

HRHCurmudgeon · Yesterday 16:38

My mates husband was like this. Told my goddaughter fairies don’t exist when she was three and we were fairy hunting in the woods.

Man, I judged him for squashing her enthusiasm and imagination. Your husband is being a dick.

What a wonderful godmother! She was so lucky to have you, to do that with her. I guess he never did find that joy....

Raptors · Yesterday 17:53

He's very good dad in a lot of ways

I can't see how you can possibly write this sentence and think it's true. Nothing about him sounds like he's a good dad or even a good role model. Confused

ClaudettedeBeauvoir · Yesterday 17:54

Fathers are a blueprint for their daughters' future relationships. If she is forced to accept this bullying and belittling behaviour in childhood she will grow up associating that behaviour with love. He is leading her (as are you by not stopping him) to a future where she accepts this kind of behaviour from future partners, as she'll think that it's normal.

Beachtastic · Yesterday 17:54

I was very damaged by similar parenting, OP.

ClaudettedeBeauvoir · Yesterday 17:56

Fawncard · Yesterday 17:52

No she loves showing him her artwork or reading for him, she wants to show off to him all the time with those things because he is always so encouraging but when it comes to anything sporty she absolutely hates having him involved as he sucks any bit of fun out of it.

She is trying to appease him and win his affection because he is so unpredictable with the way he responds to her. It's an anxiety response -fawning.

SorryforyourlossMoveon · Yesterday 17:58

This is so horrible to read, your poor DD.
If he didn't change and stop, immediately, he'd be gone.
I couldn't watch my child be bullied by their own father.
What an absolute wanker

Pumpkindice · Yesterday 18:04

Him 'being sporty' doesn't explain why he thinks it's funny to hold a TV remote out of reach.
That's literally 'look at me I'm bigger than you and you cant do anything'

He's a bully.

Being ND can explain children bullying sometimes - in the sense that a ND might see/hear a joke or prank, try and recreate it but not realise they've crossed a line, eg know when to stop - because they're not picking up on the cues. BUT, and this is the important part, explain to a ND child why they crossed a line, and what the other person felt, and chances are they'll never do it again. Because most ND people know what it's like to feel bullied, and never want to do it to anyone else.
You've clearly explained to your DH what the issue is, and he doesn't give a shit. That's why he's a bully.

cornflakecrunchie · Yesterday 18:04

@Fawncard
Show your DH all our replies.
I don't think there's one reader who hasn't been outraged.
He's wrong, wrong, WRONG.

Monr0e · Yesterday 18:05

ClaudettedeBeauvoir · Yesterday 17:56

She is trying to appease him and win his affection because he is so unpredictable with the way he responds to her. It's an anxiety response -fawning.

Edited

This OP

She probably doesn't want tobsho off to him, she is desperately trying to get his approval.

Because he is a bullying atsehole that would rather see his DD cry than say anything nice to her.

Holding the remote out of reach, taking her favourite cup. All things designed to deliberately upset her. Why would he want to do this to his child?

Foxyviolet · Yesterday 18:06

He's a bully.
If a child was doing this to your daughter at school you would complain.
He needs to be told he's a bully and if he won't change you need to leave to protect your daughter.

arethereanyleftatall · Yesterday 18:07

You are underplaying this and jumping to his defense now. That is cruel to your dd who needs you to stand up to him. He is a bully and you are complicit.

Francine84 · Yesterday 18:09

A 5 year old child and her dad don’t “clash”. Your husband is just a dick.

susiedaisy1912 · Yesterday 18:10

AppropriateAdult · Yesterday 16:39

Oh God, that’s horrible of him. Your poor daughter. Please keep challenging him on this, because it’s so damaging to a small child’s psyche to be subjected to this all the time.

This. My father was and still is the same and it’s had a huge negative impact on my life.

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