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AIBU to think my husband is too harsh about five-year-olds cartwheel?

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Fawncard · Yesterday 16:32

Me and DH are married 7 years.
We have a 5 year old DD, DD and DH constantly clash. He thinks it's funny winding her up but she often gets upset about it and he sometimes wont stop until she is in tears. Like let me be clear its mostly just childish stuff like taking the cup he knows she likes things like that he will always give it back to her but he seems to enjoy seeing her get annoyed which is starting to become a red flag for me.
Anyway over the last 2 days DD has being trying to do a cartwheel.... she thinks she can do a cartwheel (she cannot do a cartwheel and does not want advice on how to do a cartwheel she wants to do it "herself") she has been practicing and practicing. When she asks me to watch her I will find something positive, "well done you are working really hard at that" "woah that one was much higher" etc etc. But DH just keeps going "that's not a cartwheel" and keeps giving her unwanted advice and putting on videos of kids doing actual cartwheels which is annoying and upsetting DD and today she again ended upnin tears and DH just seems so unapologetic about it.
He says he doesn't want her to be "delusional" but at her age I wanted to be a bloody unicorn 5 year olds are allowed to be delusional.
He thinks I'm being too soft I think he's being an arsehole. AIBU?

OP posts:
Kokonimater · Yesterday 19:00

What a horrible unkind bullying Daddy.
YOU MUST STOP THIS.

Waytoohothot · Yesterday 19:02

Fawncard · Yesterday 16:36

His dad was exactly the same extremely negative towards anything he did. DH holds a lot of resentment over it but refuses to see history repeating itself

Just tell.him he changes his attitude or you will leave , he sounds jealous of his daughter, he wants to upset her he knows what hes doing, narcasistic behaviour, the old well i didnt have it as a child so neither will you and i would also say hes jealous of your relationship with her, how dare you love her when you should be loving me, unless you want her in therapy when shes older you need to sort it

Ralstan · Yesterday 19:02

why are you letting your DH wind up your child till she cries. that's awful. you need to look at yourself as well as his awful behaviour

Chamomileteaplease · Yesterday 19:08

That poor child. Makes me feel upset just reading how you describe what she is having to live with.

Have you noticed that not one person on this thread has said that his behaviour is ok?

Please protect your daughter from this abuse 😟.

Waytoohothot · Yesterday 19:09

AbsintheMakesTheHeartGrowFonder · Yesterday 17:27

Never mind the business about cartwheels. This is the thing you should be focusing on

We have a 5 year old DD, DD and DH constantly clash. He thinks it's funny winding her up but she often gets upset about it and he sometimes wont stop until she is in tears. Like let me be clear its mostly just childish stuff like taking the cup he knows she likes things like that he will always give it back to her but he seems to enjoy seeing her get annoyed

That's not fun and games and teasing. If it was, they would both be laughing and finding it funny and she'd be playing along. What you're describing is a grown man bullying a little girl until she cries while he laughs at her.

Your husband is a nasty cunt who gets a kick out of making a five-year-old child cry. Fucking horrible. Absolutely a nasty piece work. What kind of father thinks it's entertaining and funny to make his five-year-old upset and tearful?

Honestly, this actually made my blood run cold because it reminded me of a really unpleasant criminal case I was once exposed to through my work. There was more serious abuse too, obviously, but the parent in question had loads of videos on their phone of them doing exactly this kind of thing to their toddler. Taking things away from them until they cried, like a toy or a biscuit or their drink, while the parent laughed at them. Then they'd throw whatever it was back at them while the kid was upset.

That parent progressed to much worse sadistic behaviour, psychological and physical.

Actually isnt that what the cunt was doing to that baby boy who was killed by the cunt father who was a teacher, he had videos on his phone of him taunting the baby with toys

Buttercup211 · Yesterday 19:10

It's abuse

WhosGotTheKeysToMyBimma · Yesterday 19:18

Fortheloveoffrogs · Yesterday 17:17

This. And because he is the adult and her father I would go as far as to say that this is emotional abuse.

You need to really hold a line around this OP.

Edited

This is what I wanted to say too.

It's emotional abuse. Belittling, humiliating, teasing to the point of tears. All abusive, totally unacceptable.

Your DH needs counselling and to mend his ways immediately. And you need to be prepared to end the relationship if he doesn't.

WillieBanjo · Yesterday 19:18

Any benefit of the doubt was removed when you said his dad did it to him. To use a wonderful MN term he’s a cartwheeling cock Womble.

Also hope your Dd nails is a sticks it right to him

Mischance · Yesterday 19:22

I HATE men ( or women for that matter) who tease children in order to exercise control. It makes me feel physically sick.

This is an immature man who boosts his own ego by belittling a small child and deliberately winding her up.

What a pitiful excuse for a man ...

dottiedodah · Yesterday 19:24

A boy we lived nearby was always laughing at me ,and saying I couldnt dance .Even now feel embarrassed and dont want to dance in front of anyone .Please OP just stop this now .If he wont stop then leave LTB

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · Yesterday 19:25

ClaudettedeBeauvoir · Yesterday 17:54

Fathers are a blueprint for their daughters' future relationships. If she is forced to accept this bullying and belittling behaviour in childhood she will grow up associating that behaviour with love. He is leading her (as are you by not stopping him) to a future where she accepts this kind of behaviour from future partners, as she'll think that it's normal.

Edited

I was thinking the same thing.

Ask him if that's what he wants for her future.

He is consistently eroding her confidence in her abilities, and basically giving her the impression that she is useless at things she wants to do.

"he seems to enjoy seeing her get annoyed" SHE IS NOT A TOY.
This is just sheer bullying.

You have to stop him and that means don't make any more excuses for this behaviour.

He is not a good dad, he is told the behaviour is damaging and yet he continues to do it - because it amuses him. Your poor daughter.. I had some snide cousins who were old than me and did this every time they visited... it had a big impact.. and they were just cousins. I can't imagine how I'd have felt if it was my Dad doing this.

Start filming him and play it back to him. Telling him does nothing as he carries on.. so how are you going to get through to him.

Cheese55 · Yesterday 19:27

Whaaaatszuuup · Yesterday 16:44

I also agree with @Devon1987I would not stay with a man who did this to my child once. In fact, I once saw a bloke like this do something similar in a park and I left because I didn’t want my children to hear him and he wasn’t even doing it to them.

I would find his emotional abuse too upsetting to witness and would want to get her away from him. He's destroying her bit by bit and you're watching on

mullers1977 · Yesterday 19:27

Devon1987 · Yesterday 16:39

I’m sorry I think you are being a bit wet with your DH. If my DH wound up my 5 to the point of tears, I’d rip him a new one. She is a child, she needs encouragement not tearing down. If continues she’s not even going to try. He is teaching her no matter what she does, it’s not good enough. He sounds a like wanker who always thinks he is right.

agreed, I hope you've really gone for him over this, its a parents job to build our kids up - theres enough stuff tearing them down!

Onceuponatime32 · Yesterday 19:28

Stop describing it as him “winding her up “ and call it what it is which is psychological abuse. How long has this really been going on for? He didn't suddenly start when she turned five.

Who cares if his dad did it. Who cares if he’s nd. I’m certain he knows enough not to abuse her like that in front of other people. Stop listening to his warped logic about resilience and start protecting your daughter.

He is cruel, sadistic, lacks empathy and not somebody I would want around my child. Which is why my child has never been around my father. I still feel rage when I think about his gloating face when he reduced me to tears.

PrayForPlagues · Yesterday 19:29

Unpaidworkmakestheeconomytick · Yesterday 16:40

He’s bullying her. Do you want her to grow up thinking that that is the normal way for men to treat women?

This. Being bullied by your own parent is going to be so damaging for her growing up.

CorkedWellbeing · Yesterday 19:29

Nip that nonsense in the bud, OP. He is bullying your little girl, and you know it. I know people often scream: "Leave the b**tard!" at every little thing, but this sort of mean belittling attitude towards a child, his own child, shows he is not a good man. Whether he is willing to work on it in therapy and try to become better for you both is another question, but right now his instinct is to crush her and humiliate and upset her to assert his dominance. You need to step in, let him know that won't be tolerated, and protect her.
My mother used to "keep the peace" whilst agreeing with me in private that my stepfather was cruel to me and it wasn't useless it let me know that I wasn't imagining things and that it wasn't normal, but it didn't really help me either and those issues he created have followed me long into my 30s. Don't wait to fix this situation for your daughter.

SandyHappyPerson · Yesterday 19:31

You need to protect her better.

Livinthedrama · Yesterday 19:33

He sounds like a fucking bully to her. This is red flag territory. Her inner voice is developing and it won't be a very nice one if he carries on like this.

Ontheedge123 · Yesterday 19:36

AutumnLoverButNotYet · Yesterday 16:44

I hope the OP begins to see that she is not being 'too soft' with their daughter & her DH is the one with issues. Personally, I wouldn't be trying to change him. I'd just be leaving.

Leaving so that he gets joint custody and OP is not there to protect her daughter when he’s alone with her? This is what I can never fathom about it being so easy to LTB

JinxandBinx · Yesterday 19:37

Fawncard · Yesterday 16:32

Me and DH are married 7 years.
We have a 5 year old DD, DD and DH constantly clash. He thinks it's funny winding her up but she often gets upset about it and he sometimes wont stop until she is in tears. Like let me be clear its mostly just childish stuff like taking the cup he knows she likes things like that he will always give it back to her but he seems to enjoy seeing her get annoyed which is starting to become a red flag for me.
Anyway over the last 2 days DD has being trying to do a cartwheel.... she thinks she can do a cartwheel (she cannot do a cartwheel and does not want advice on how to do a cartwheel she wants to do it "herself") she has been practicing and practicing. When she asks me to watch her I will find something positive, "well done you are working really hard at that" "woah that one was much higher" etc etc. But DH just keeps going "that's not a cartwheel" and keeps giving her unwanted advice and putting on videos of kids doing actual cartwheels which is annoying and upsetting DD and today she again ended upnin tears and DH just seems so unapologetic about it.
He says he doesn't want her to be "delusional" but at her age I wanted to be a bloody unicorn 5 year olds are allowed to be delusional.
He thinks I'm being too soft I think he's being an arsehole. AIBU?

Your husband is bullying your child. He is purposefully doing mean things to her, to ‘wind her up’ and then gaslighting the both of you.
Yes, taking her favourite cup is childish to adults, but to a child it is someone much bigger in a position of power over her controlling the things she enjoys.
You need to show him this thread, and hope he changes the way he parents.

SixtySomething · Yesterday 19:39

Reading this post made my blood boil run cold.

I had this done to me when I was very small - the making me cry for kicks.
Sixty years later, I’m only beginning to come to terms with it understanding the sort of man who would go out of his way to distress his own daughter, and enjoy it.
Don’t imagine your daughter will forget this. She will also want to know why her mother stood by and allowed it to happen.
What else is going on and what does he do to you, OP?

PickyTits · Yesterday 19:39

But DH just keeps going "that's not a cartwheel" and keeps giving her unwanted advice and putting on videos of kids doing actual cartwheels which is annoying and upsetting DD and today she again ended upnin tears and DH just seems so unapologetic about it.

Okay and you say he's neurodiverse so might not understand?

Every time you have sex whip out a porn video and tell him that's not good sex, this is how you do it, look at how amazing the other men are. I'm sure he'll get the message. If he complains just tell him you wouldn't want him to be delusional now would you.

Excited101 · Yesterday 19:41

He’s bullying her, and as a teen and adult she will look for boyfriends and partners who do the same.

If you’re not ok with that then you need to do something about it.

Conniebygaslight · Yesterday 19:47

My dad was like this, insisted me and my sister play cricket with him bowling a fast overarm ball at us because ‘That was how you played cricket’ he made us ride bikes on the road rather than the pavement. We were 5 or 6.
I remember being scared most of my childhood. Was he nice at times? Yes.
Which do you think I remember most?

Conniebygaslight · Yesterday 19:48

PickyTits · Yesterday 19:39

But DH just keeps going "that's not a cartwheel" and keeps giving her unwanted advice and putting on videos of kids doing actual cartwheels which is annoying and upsetting DD and today she again ended upnin tears and DH just seems so unapologetic about it.

Okay and you say he's neurodiverse so might not understand?

Every time you have sex whip out a porn video and tell him that's not good sex, this is how you do it, look at how amazing the other men are. I'm sure he'll get the message. If he complains just tell him you wouldn't want him to be delusional now would you.

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This^^

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