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AIBU to think our 22 yo son is being slightly mad turning down a free London flat?

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BeNeatCat · Today 08:58

DS is 22 and has finally got his first proper job in London and we are absolutely thrilled for him. He graduated from the University of Edinburgh with a first in Economics last year and came home afterwards. We live in a village and while looking for work he worked at the local farm shop and tutored A-level students.

We didn't charge him rent. He helps around the house and it's actually been really lovely having him home. He says he genuinely missed the village when he was at university the peace and quiet, being able to get back into reading and cycling, and having time with our four dogs.

He's also managed to save about £16k since graduating so it's not as though he's been sitting around spending everything he earns. He's actually been very sensible financially.
He's now got a London job on £38k which we're very chuffed about. That’s a very good wage for a 22 year old newly grad.

DH and I have a two bedroom flat in Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. We’ve been renting for a while and the tenants have since bought a house now so they’ve moved out. We have had it on short term let as it’s been summer time so lots of tourists have been eager, it’s had a new group of people every other week or so since May it’s been quite hard for us to keep up with to be honest as this was our first time doing short term let’s seems as though the market in London is good. We've offered the flat to our son him and a friend completely rent-free. They would only have to pay the bills.
And he's said no.Because he wants to live with THREE of his mates. They’re currently searching and have been going to views for a 4 bed.

I have told him he's being ridiculous. He is 22, starting his first job on £38k, and we've basically handed him free accommodation in London. He could live there, pay the bills, continue saving and potentially build up a very decent pot of money over the next few years.Instead, he wants to rent a house with four friends because he wants the experience of living with them. I get it. I lived with 5 other girls (friends I made at uni) in London after university and throughly enjoy it they’re still my closest friends. And this is where I am conflicted because, if I'm being completely honest, I do understand it but also the economy is different to when I was 22

He's had a very nice year at home. He's saved £16k, had a peaceful year in the village, read, cycled, spent time with the dogs and generally enjoyed being at home. He isn't desperate to leave because he hates being here. He said he was slightly sad (albeit happy) about getting the job because he’s enjoyed being in a village his mind could finally think (his words) He does want to go and have the experience of being 22 and living in London with his mates.

DH thinks we should leave him to it. He's an adult, he's earning a decent salary, he's saved a good amount already and he's allowed to prioritise having fun and living with his friends over maximising his savings.
And I know he's right.

But I can't help thinking that a free two-bedroom flat in Hammersmith and Fulham that is fully paid for and his parents own is the sort of offer you don't turn down lightly at 22!

At the same time, perhaps I'm looking at it entirely through the lens of being his parent. I'm thinking about deposits, investments and financial security. He's thinking about having his four best friends round for dinner, going to the pub after work and coming home to a house full of people his own age.
He's not asking us to subsidise a lavish lifestyle either. He has £16k saved, a £38k salary and presumably will be perfectly capable of paying his own rent. He just doesn't want the financially optimal option.
And perhaps that's the point. He can afford to make the choice he actually wants.
So AIBU to think he's mad?Would you take the free London flat and save like mad for the next few years or would you pay rent to live with four of your best friends at 22 because you only get to be 22 once?
I'm increasingly wondering whether I'm confusing “financially sensible” with “the right choice for him”.

Maybe I am being unreasoned he’s 22, has a girlfriend who is soon moving to London too and wants to experience London to its full potential, get pissed with his friends and have fun I can’t fault him maybe I am being unreasonable.

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Ormally · Today 09:36

AyeupDuck · Today 09:29

I had the time of my life house sharing in my twenties in a big city. Just rent it out and put money aside for a house deposit for when he needs it.

Yes. He wants to live with his friends and spend his money that way. If he moves into the flat then you hold the strings on the arrangement.

It might not be a lasting choice, but it is one that teaches you more for future negotiations, things to look out for, and what you most value (in those you share space with too), than a mapped out path.

FrankieZebra · Today 09:37

Goditsmemargaret · Today 09:25

Could you do a deal with him?

He is responsible for renting the place out, covers tax and repairs and then keeps the remainder of the rent to be put straight into a savings account.

That way you rid yourself of that headache of tenants and he is well positioned to get on the property ladder in a couple of years.

Simple. What is the dilemma OP?

Alwayschillyatnight · Today 09:38

I th8nk it would be good for him. Get a taste of real life with flatsharing, bills, negotiating the mess and admin of all that. Im assuming the flat eill still be there in a couple of years and perhaps the lure of a peaceful flat and being able to save up might be bigger by then.

In the meantime can I be your son for a bit? Prerelease? I promise I'll keep it nice and call you every Sunday evening 😉

PressTheSwitch · Today 09:40

@BeNeatCat life is so serious for so long, it’s best to have fun before that starts. Yes, financially your offer makes sense, but that level of financial seriousness is not want he wants or needs right now. He has a good education, good job, he will achieve financial success by the sounds of it anyway. Let him enjoy being a young adult, before the wife, kids and senior roles come along. If it doesn’t work out, your flat is always a back-up plan.

Beamur · Today 09:41

Leave him to it for now. Continue with short term lets. He may be more interested in a year or two.
You're very generous to offer but it's commendable that your DS wants financial independence.

travailtotravel · Today 09:46

Rent out the flat and give him the money? Or save the money for him? Or 50/50 you and him?

And/Or he'll realise how crazy the London rental market is and come back and bite your hand off.

But for now, let him live his life his way.

PartoftheBand · Today 09:46

There's a hell of a lot of stealth boasting going on here. Surely the flat is not a "now or never" deal? He's an adult - let him do what he wants for now and perhaps in a few years he can move into the flat with a friend/ girlfriend when he's had enough of paying rent.

DiscoCherries · Today 09:49

Let him do it. Some of the best years of my life were living with 3 best friends (still closest friends now) in a crappy little house in Manchester. Relatively it cost us a bomb but we loved all sharing the space, house parties, slobby hungover weekends watching movies. Let him have the experience he wants to have.

If he and the girlfriend get serious perhaps the flat could be an option for the two of them in a couple of years but let him have that friends experience now!

LikeThatNotThat · Today 09:49

Maybe he doesn't want to be the rich kid who lives in mummy and daddy's flat. Maybe he doesn't want to owe you anything. Maybe he doesn't want to have to worry about keeping the flat perfect so you dont get upset and annoyed.
He wants to live with his friends. I think that is completely valid. And he wants to stand on his own two feet!
I definitely wouldn't have lived in a flat my parents owned when I was 22, couldn't have them holding that over my head. "You only got where you are because of us".
Perhaps he doesn't want his achievements to be your achievements, OP.

Newusername0 · Today 09:49

Leave him to it. He’s only young once and and it’s his life. If you’re worried about him financially then continue to let out the flat and save the money for him.

SomethingNewish · Today 09:50

Personally think from a purely financial point of view he is mad to turn this flat down. But he is an adult , and presumably an intelligent one given his degree, so you can't make him do what you want. Is that the real issue? Perhaps he wants to cut the apron strings and show he is an autonomous adult rather than living in his parents pockets.

pluggedunplugged · Today 09:51

BeNeatCat · Today 09:17

It’s just a shocker to me as he knows the state of the country he’s the economics graduate not me but I want him to enjoy living in London. At 22 I loved London couldn’t see myself living there now but also I didn’t have a rent free flat I paid rent so maybe he wants that opportunity but he’s been looking at flats with his friends and to rent in a shared flat depending on the area is £800-£1000.

Being an Economics grad doesn't make you good with personal finances - I think you need to put that myth to bed.

bridgetreilly · Today 09:52

You’ve made the offer, but you can’t insist he takes it. He is indeed an adult, with a job, free to make his own decisions and his own mistakes.

Mcdhotchoc · Today 09:53

Honestly you come across as a bit bonkers.
He isn't desperate for a free flat because he isn't desperate! Presumably he knows that you and dh are a massive financial safety net for him. Let him live his life, those years are fleeting

luckylavender · Today 09:53

It's completely his decision. And I strongly dislike the tone of your thread, it's such a big long brag. You're proud of him I get it. Keep it to yourself a bit more. His 1st, his salary, his savings. No need to discuss.

BeNeatCat · Today 09:54

PartoftheBand · Today 09:46

There's a hell of a lot of stealth boasting going on here. Surely the flat is not a "now or never" deal? He's an adult - let him do what he wants for now and perhaps in a few years he can move into the flat with a friend/ girlfriend when he's had enough of paying rent.

I haven’t said it’s now or never it was just an option I gave him and I was shocked. He said if it was a 4 bed then yes but it’s only a 2 bed so his 4 friends can’t all live there not enough space to work from home three times a week etc for all of them.

It’s not exactly hard to inherit a flat of a dead parent. It’s not my flat originally I never bought it only had it under my name when my father passed away almost 15 years ago we don’t have multiple properties in London. Same way in my will my house goes to my kids and everything my husband and I own will just go to them. They’ll inherit a 4 bedroom house in a village not boasting it’s what happens in most families when someone dies.

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LadyGAgain · Today 09:54

YANBU but you are not a 22 year old just setting out in life. I think he’s insane turning it down but as above, I am not 22!

Happyjoe · Today 09:55

He perhaps isn't confident yet to live on his own, as well as wanting the shared flat experience. It's a lot to take on, new job, living alone in a busy city. I wouldn't push it. If it's for financial reasons then use the money you make on rent to pay his own rent in the flat share.

I bet in a couple of years time of living shared and all the noise and mess that entails, he'll be asking if the offer is still on the table.

JacknDiane · Today 09:55

Well he is mad of course but hes 22 so hes allowed to be mad 😁

BeNeatCat · Today 09:55

luckylavender · Today 09:53

It's completely his decision. And I strongly dislike the tone of your thread, it's such a big long brag. You're proud of him I get it. Keep it to yourself a bit more. His 1st, his salary, his savings. No need to discuss.

That’s not my intention at all. I can be proud of my son getting a first, most kids get firsts these days when I was at uni it was quite rare amongst my friends on my one of us got a first. The salary is great for someone his age but it’s not exactly a great salary for London. You’re reading to into it and if you think it is a brag I am sorry for that.

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Moveoverdarlin · Today 09:56

Leave him to it. I absolutely guarantee in two years he will want your flat for him and his girlfriend.

Uniqueheartbee · Today 09:56

I can see why you’d want him to. I can also see why he doesn’t want to

Don’t push him away over this, agree it will be nice for him to live with the friends that he wants to. So long as he is appreciative of the offer. Sounds like he’s sensible and has done well for himself.

Perhaps you could consider giving him the rental income from it. And in time maybe he will want to live there. It’s a lovely offer OP but he’s young, he wants to experience the life he wants

Shimmyshimmycocobop · Today 09:57

Grain80 · Today 09:07

I’m struggling to work out what the actual dilemma is amongst the Edinburgh first, £16k savings, £38k graduate job, idyllic village life, four dogs and fully paid-off two-bed London flat 😂
He’s 22, financially responsible and can afford to live with his mates. Let him. You sound very proud of him, which is lovely, but this does read rather like a stealth boast dressed up as an AIBU.

This 🙄 I too wish this was all I had to worry about.
I have 2 DC living at home, including a 22 Yr old with a 2:1 from Edinburgh University who can only find part time work in Morrisons.
DC1 (25) has just got into Uni for the 2nd time, Im supporting both on 1 salary.

JacknDiane · Today 09:58

BeNeatCat · Today 09:54

I haven’t said it’s now or never it was just an option I gave him and I was shocked. He said if it was a 4 bed then yes but it’s only a 2 bed so his 4 friends can’t all live there not enough space to work from home three times a week etc for all of them.

It’s not exactly hard to inherit a flat of a dead parent. It’s not my flat originally I never bought it only had it under my name when my father passed away almost 15 years ago we don’t have multiple properties in London. Same way in my will my house goes to my kids and everything my husband and I own will just go to them. They’ll inherit a 4 bedroom house in a village not boasting it’s what happens in most families when someone dies.

Sorry but no its not. Neither mine or dhs parents owned their council houses, so we inherited nothing.
Im sorry to nitpick and I know this is mn but please, check your privilege.

statement · Today 09:58

Such a long post just to boast 😴

Didn't read all that shit but YABU.

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