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AIBU to think our 22 yo son is being slightly mad turning down a free London flat?

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BeNeatCat · Today 08:58

DS is 22 and has finally got his first proper job in London and we are absolutely thrilled for him. He graduated from the University of Edinburgh with a first in Economics last year and came home afterwards. We live in a village and while looking for work he worked at the local farm shop and tutored A-level students.

We didn't charge him rent. He helps around the house and it's actually been really lovely having him home. He says he genuinely missed the village when he was at university the peace and quiet, being able to get back into reading and cycling, and having time with our four dogs.

He's also managed to save about £16k since graduating so it's not as though he's been sitting around spending everything he earns. He's actually been very sensible financially.
He's now got a London job on £38k which we're very chuffed about. That’s a very good wage for a 22 year old newly grad.

DH and I have a two bedroom flat in Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. We’ve been renting for a while and the tenants have since bought a house now so they’ve moved out. We have had it on short term let as it’s been summer time so lots of tourists have been eager, it’s had a new group of people every other week or so since May it’s been quite hard for us to keep up with to be honest as this was our first time doing short term let’s seems as though the market in London is good. We've offered the flat to our son him and a friend completely rent-free. They would only have to pay the bills.
And he's said no.Because he wants to live with THREE of his mates. They’re currently searching and have been going to views for a 4 bed.

I have told him he's being ridiculous. He is 22, starting his first job on £38k, and we've basically handed him free accommodation in London. He could live there, pay the bills, continue saving and potentially build up a very decent pot of money over the next few years.Instead, he wants to rent a house with four friends because he wants the experience of living with them. I get it. I lived with 5 other girls (friends I made at uni) in London after university and throughly enjoy it they’re still my closest friends. And this is where I am conflicted because, if I'm being completely honest, I do understand it but also the economy is different to when I was 22

He's had a very nice year at home. He's saved £16k, had a peaceful year in the village, read, cycled, spent time with the dogs and generally enjoyed being at home. He isn't desperate to leave because he hates being here. He said he was slightly sad (albeit happy) about getting the job because he’s enjoyed being in a village his mind could finally think (his words) He does want to go and have the experience of being 22 and living in London with his mates.

DH thinks we should leave him to it. He's an adult, he's earning a decent salary, he's saved a good amount already and he's allowed to prioritise having fun and living with his friends over maximising his savings.
And I know he's right.

But I can't help thinking that a free two-bedroom flat in Hammersmith and Fulham that is fully paid for and his parents own is the sort of offer you don't turn down lightly at 22!

At the same time, perhaps I'm looking at it entirely through the lens of being his parent. I'm thinking about deposits, investments and financial security. He's thinking about having his four best friends round for dinner, going to the pub after work and coming home to a house full of people his own age.
He's not asking us to subsidise a lavish lifestyle either. He has £16k saved, a £38k salary and presumably will be perfectly capable of paying his own rent. He just doesn't want the financially optimal option.
And perhaps that's the point. He can afford to make the choice he actually wants.
So AIBU to think he's mad?Would you take the free London flat and save like mad for the next few years or would you pay rent to live with four of your best friends at 22 because you only get to be 22 once?
I'm increasingly wondering whether I'm confusing “financially sensible” with “the right choice for him”.

Maybe I am being unreasoned he’s 22, has a girlfriend who is soon moving to London too and wants to experience London to its full potential, get pissed with his friends and have fun I can’t fault him maybe I am being unreasonable.

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aussiechick01 · Today 09:17

Just leave him to it. He will soon realise that £38000 won’t go far in London when renting and will probably change his mind in a few months time.

RVectensian · Today 09:17

You're both right, but the only course of action is your husband's

mugglewump · Today 09:18

He clearly isn't as money orientated as you are (turning a home into a summer season AirBNB because it generates more revenue). Let's hope he and his friends can find a good house/large flat where the landlord prioritises providing a home rather than capitalising on tourists.

BeNeatCat · Today 09:18

Poppingby · Today 09:14

I realise this is just jealous bitterness but I'm getting really sick of all these MN "problems" involving spare flats and houses and angst about what can be done with them. Just enjoy your vast wealth and chill out op.

As for your son, he's going to do what he wants and you can't physically make him move into your little pied a terre can you. So just go and walk the dogs in the meadow and stop worrying about it.

Edited

The flat was owned by my father who sadly passed away it got passed down to me almost 15 years ago now. It’s not as though we own multiple properties around London. I’ve never bought a house or flat in London.

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NoctuaAthene · Today 09:18

Grain80 · Today 09:07

I’m struggling to work out what the actual dilemma is amongst the Edinburgh first, £16k savings, £38k graduate job, idyllic village life, four dogs and fully paid-off two-bed London flat 😂
He’s 22, financially responsible and can afford to live with his mates. Let him. You sound very proud of him, which is lovely, but this does read rather like a stealth boast dressed up as an AIBU.

Exactly this. I really don't understand the dilemma? Of course he's mad to turn down the very generous offer, I'm fairly sure the 'dream' of living in a big happy house share with loads of mates will last maximum a year before he's fed up of no-one doing the washing up and undesirable boy/girlfriends being brought back and party/work schedules not aligning and all the other annoyances of living with multiple other people, and of course it makes no financial sense at all to pay rent if your parents offer to give you a free flat, but equally of course you're got to let him make his own mistakes. What other option do you have, you can hardly forcibly move him in to your flat can you? On the scale of disasters they can encounter as young adults let me assure you a house share that turns sour and some money wasted on rent is really not that big a deal and it will let him get this fantasy of it all being one big Friends-esque endless hangout and party out of his system (or perhaps my cynicism is misplaced and he'll have a whale of a time) - if you are really worried about him financially although sounds like you've really got no reason to be, either rent out the flat and invest the rental income towards a house deposit, or sell it and likewise invest the capital? I wouldn't keep it empty just waiting for him to change his mind though!

Savvysix1984 · Today 09:19

From an older adults pov I can see how this seems mad, but he wants to experience London with his mates. He would prob feel out of the loop if he stayed in the flat alone.
would you allow one of his friends to move in or do you want the spare bedroom to be used by you?

BeNeatCat · Today 09:19

aussiechick01 · Today 09:17

Just leave him to it. He will soon realise that £38000 won’t go far in London when renting and will probably change his mind in a few months time.

That is what I am trying to tell him. Yes 38k is very good for a 22 year old but also it doesn’t go far in London he also wants to enjoy London but we will see he might find a nice place for a decent rent. Also I think he wants to be independent which I understand.

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Favouritefruits · Today 09:20

At 22 he can make his own choice and he can make the wrong choice in your eyes but as long as he makes the choice happy and healthy what does it really matter. One thing I will say is £38k even for a single guy doesn’t go that far in London!

BeNeatCat · Today 09:21

Savvysix1984 · Today 09:19

From an older adults pov I can see how this seems mad, but he wants to experience London with his mates. He would prob feel out of the loop if he stayed in the flat alone.
would you allow one of his friends to move in or do you want the spare bedroom to be used by you?

We’ve said he can let another friend stay too as it’s a two bed flat but he’s said no which I just can’t see why you’d turn down a free flat after spending a year saying how expensive things are and how hard it’s been for him trying to get a job. He had one company where he did 8 rounds of interviews/different stages it’s been very tough so we thought this would be a nice gesture

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rassyyups · Today 09:23

There’s enough information in this post for your son to be identified by someone who knows him. Is he ok with you sharing this with the internet?

Catza · Today 09:23

BeNeatCat · Today 09:17

It’s just a shocker to me as he knows the state of the country he’s the economics graduate not me but I want him to enjoy living in London. At 22 I loved London couldn’t see myself living there now but also I didn’t have a rent free flat I paid rent so maybe he wants that opportunity but he’s been looking at flats with his friends and to rent in a shared flat depending on the area is £800-£1000.

Stop counting his money. He is an adult, he has a job and it's up to him where he lives and with whom. I would be very cautious before agreeing to move into a property that my mum owns and be subjected to further opinions on how I live, how much I clean whom I invite over... You are already judging his choices, I very much think he is well aware that living in your flat might come with strings attached.

Johnogroats · Today 09:24

I have a 22yo who’d be delighted to have your flat…. But seriously give your son 6 months or a year and I suspect he’ll see things differently.

DS is at a London uni and lived in halls, then in a v expensive ex council flat with 3 friends. Then a year abroad. His final year he’s back at home (takes about an hour to get to uni). He knows that until he gets a serious grad job (and no guarantees there) he’ll be at home. I couldn’t have talked him round earlier and he’s come to the finsbcislly sensible decision on his own.

LadyMacbethWasFierce · Today 09:24

If you genuinely don’t need the rental income why not rent it out and save the money for him to give him as a deposit on a flat when he’s ready.

Or give it to him monthly to pay towards the house he wants to rent. That achieves your aim, whilst leaving him free to enjoy a few years of communal living. It’s a cost neutral option.

BeNeatCat · Today 09:24

Basketcasebill · Today 09:06

Can I have it? I’ve got three kids, but I can ditch two of them with dh…

No, he’s crazy. But he sounds extremely privileged anyway. when you’ve had things handed to you on a plate, (no rent, you sound like you live in a nice place and don’t struggle, I bet he wasn’t working full time stacking shelves to get himself through uni, and he was able to go to uni and study well to get a good degree in the first place); you don’t see an offer like that as something to bite someone’s hand off for.

He was working throughout uni as our deal was we pay the fees and we pay his rent directly for his uni accommodation and house shares and his pays for his food etc so he’s worked since first year of university. He was even stacking shelves in Edinburgh. Same way our daughter will be working at uni as she works for a supermarket here and has organised a transfer for when she starts at uni.

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PixieFairySprite · Today 09:25

Why are you asking strangers on MN when your own son has told you what he wants to do? Are we to all agree with you that you son is 'slightly mad?' Then what? Are you going present him with the comments as evidence that loads of strangers online also think he's mad, too?

Weird, 'perfect life' brag and I agree with @LorenaWood 'didn't happen.'

Goditsmemargaret · Today 09:25

Could you do a deal with him?

He is responsible for renting the place out, covers tax and repairs and then keeps the remainder of the rent to be put straight into a savings account.

That way you rid yourself of that headache of tenants and he is well positioned to get on the property ladder in a couple of years.

U53rName · Today 09:25

Fledgedup · Today 09:05

He's an adult. He knows how he wants to live for the next few years.
It's not up to you any more. Even though you think you know what's best for him, it's just for him to decide from now on.

This. Yes, as a middle aged woman with some life experience behind me, I can see that the smartest financial choice is to take the flat. But he’s 22 and has to make his own choices now, even if they don’t make financial sense.

You can lead a horse to water and all that.

BeNeatCat · Today 09:26

Catza · Today 09:23

Stop counting his money. He is an adult, he has a job and it's up to him where he lives and with whom. I would be very cautious before agreeing to move into a property that my mum owns and be subjected to further opinions on how I live, how much I clean whom I invite over... You are already judging his choices, I very much think he is well aware that living in your flat might come with strings attached.

I don’t think I’m counting his money. He’s sending us the flats they’re looking at and the prices himself and updating us on their search for a place. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. We will be the one helping him move to his new place so we will see it anyway and will be curious about where our son will be living I think that’s natural once again this is my eldest child maybe I have a lot more to learn as he progresses into adulthood.

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iloveanearlynight · Today 09:26

Just leave him to it OP. He's made his decision. Yes, it's not what many people would have done but he's an adult and capable of deciding for himself.

jackstini · Today 09:27

Just keep renting it out weekly for now; use an agency so it’s not a hassle
Then in a couple of years he will probably bite your hand off!

AyeupDuck · Today 09:29

I had the time of my life house sharing in my twenties in a big city. Just rent it out and put money aside for a house deposit for when he needs it.

wandererofthekingdom · Today 09:30

He's 22, he wants to have fun, he wants to experience life in the city with his mates. In 5 years time when he enters a different phase of life and perhaps wants to live with a partner he might bite your hand off if you offer the flat again. If there is one time in life not to take the sensible option its your early 20s.

HotGrapefruit · Today 09:31

He wants to live with friends in London - that’s part of the dream!! That’s fantastic for him. He’s not a middle aged man fretting about his ISAs and nor should he be.

OP, untie those apron strings. It’s time to let go.

Bjorkdidit · Today 09:35

BeNeatCat · Today 09:17

It’s just a shocker to me as he knows the state of the country he’s the economics graduate not me but I want him to enjoy living in London. At 22 I loved London couldn’t see myself living there now but also I didn’t have a rent free flat I paid rent so maybe he wants that opportunity but he’s been looking at flats with his friends and to rent in a shared flat depending on the area is £800-£1000.

Surely there's an opportunity for win-win here?

Rent your flat out for commercial rates, which will surely be way more than £1k, give your DS £1k pm towards his rent and you keep the rest.

He has subsidised housing in London and gets to live where he wants with whomever he wants, you still get some income from your flat, everyone's happy.

You could even rent the flat out for slightly less than normal, given you were going to let DS live there for free, and someone else gets to live somewhere a bit more affordable too.

TheWildZebra · Today 09:36

I think he’s mad, but then he’s still at the age where we all made illogical decisions from the heart not the head. Just rent it out again this year, and if he changes his mind in 9 months because he realises hes got no cash left, then the options still there for him.

I do get that after a year living at home in a village, he might want to have that uni feel experience again with lots of his mates.