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AIBU to think our 22 yo son is being slightly mad turning down a free London flat?

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BeNeatCat · Today 08:58

DS is 22 and has finally got his first proper job in London and we are absolutely thrilled for him. He graduated from the University of Edinburgh with a first in Economics last year and came home afterwards. We live in a village and while looking for work he worked at the local farm shop and tutored A-level students.

We didn't charge him rent. He helps around the house and it's actually been really lovely having him home. He says he genuinely missed the village when he was at university the peace and quiet, being able to get back into reading and cycling, and having time with our four dogs.

He's also managed to save about £16k since graduating so it's not as though he's been sitting around spending everything he earns. He's actually been very sensible financially.
He's now got a London job on £38k which we're very chuffed about. That’s a very good wage for a 22 year old newly grad.

DH and I have a two bedroom flat in Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. We’ve been renting for a while and the tenants have since bought a house now so they’ve moved out. We have had it on short term let as it’s been summer time so lots of tourists have been eager, it’s had a new group of people every other week or so since May it’s been quite hard for us to keep up with to be honest as this was our first time doing short term let’s seems as though the market in London is good. We've offered the flat to our son him and a friend completely rent-free. They would only have to pay the bills.
And he's said no.Because he wants to live with THREE of his mates. They’re currently searching and have been going to views for a 4 bed.

I have told him he's being ridiculous. He is 22, starting his first job on £38k, and we've basically handed him free accommodation in London. He could live there, pay the bills, continue saving and potentially build up a very decent pot of money over the next few years.Instead, he wants to rent a house with four friends because he wants the experience of living with them. I get it. I lived with 5 other girls (friends I made at uni) in London after university and throughly enjoy it they’re still my closest friends. And this is where I am conflicted because, if I'm being completely honest, I do understand it but also the economy is different to when I was 22

He's had a very nice year at home. He's saved £16k, had a peaceful year in the village, read, cycled, spent time with the dogs and generally enjoyed being at home. He isn't desperate to leave because he hates being here. He said he was slightly sad (albeit happy) about getting the job because he’s enjoyed being in a village his mind could finally think (his words) He does want to go and have the experience of being 22 and living in London with his mates.

DH thinks we should leave him to it. He's an adult, he's earning a decent salary, he's saved a good amount already and he's allowed to prioritise having fun and living with his friends over maximising his savings.
And I know he's right.

But I can't help thinking that a free two-bedroom flat in Hammersmith and Fulham that is fully paid for and his parents own is the sort of offer you don't turn down lightly at 22!

At the same time, perhaps I'm looking at it entirely through the lens of being his parent. I'm thinking about deposits, investments and financial security. He's thinking about having his four best friends round for dinner, going to the pub after work and coming home to a house full of people his own age.
He's not asking us to subsidise a lavish lifestyle either. He has £16k saved, a £38k salary and presumably will be perfectly capable of paying his own rent. He just doesn't want the financially optimal option.
And perhaps that's the point. He can afford to make the choice he actually wants.
So AIBU to think he's mad?Would you take the free London flat and save like mad for the next few years or would you pay rent to live with four of your best friends at 22 because you only get to be 22 once?
I'm increasingly wondering whether I'm confusing “financially sensible” with “the right choice for him”.

Maybe I am being unreasoned he’s 22, has a girlfriend who is soon moving to London too and wants to experience London to its full potential, get pissed with his friends and have fun I can’t fault him maybe I am being unreasonable.

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titchy · Today 10:37

You should be pleased he’s prioritising experiences over money. Genuinely can’t understand why you don’t value that.

Edit: he’s also prioritising his friendships over money. Again, his priorities are right. Yours aren’t.

BeNeatCat · Today 10:37

HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · Today 10:30

He's making a foolish decision and he needs to be allowed to make this mistake.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't be in a hurry to subsidise him very much for a while when he's turned down a generous offer and showed himself not to be quite as good with money as you'd thought.

I proposed the idea of subsiding his rent DH said let’s let him figure it out himself and when and if he asks for support we will be here to help him. He’s worked for a year and lived at home rent free with not much outgoings so he should be fine for a year at least.

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SixtySomething · Today 10:39

BeNeatCat · Today 08:58

DS is 22 and has finally got his first proper job in London and we are absolutely thrilled for him. He graduated from the University of Edinburgh with a first in Economics last year and came home afterwards. We live in a village and while looking for work he worked at the local farm shop and tutored A-level students.

We didn't charge him rent. He helps around the house and it's actually been really lovely having him home. He says he genuinely missed the village when he was at university the peace and quiet, being able to get back into reading and cycling, and having time with our four dogs.

He's also managed to save about £16k since graduating so it's not as though he's been sitting around spending everything he earns. He's actually been very sensible financially.
He's now got a London job on £38k which we're very chuffed about. That’s a very good wage for a 22 year old newly grad.

DH and I have a two bedroom flat in Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. We’ve been renting for a while and the tenants have since bought a house now so they’ve moved out. We have had it on short term let as it’s been summer time so lots of tourists have been eager, it’s had a new group of people every other week or so since May it’s been quite hard for us to keep up with to be honest as this was our first time doing short term let’s seems as though the market in London is good. We've offered the flat to our son him and a friend completely rent-free. They would only have to pay the bills.
And he's said no.Because he wants to live with THREE of his mates. They’re currently searching and have been going to views for a 4 bed.

I have told him he's being ridiculous. He is 22, starting his first job on £38k, and we've basically handed him free accommodation in London. He could live there, pay the bills, continue saving and potentially build up a very decent pot of money over the next few years.Instead, he wants to rent a house with four friends because he wants the experience of living with them. I get it. I lived with 5 other girls (friends I made at uni) in London after university and throughly enjoy it they’re still my closest friends. And this is where I am conflicted because, if I'm being completely honest, I do understand it but also the economy is different to when I was 22

He's had a very nice year at home. He's saved £16k, had a peaceful year in the village, read, cycled, spent time with the dogs and generally enjoyed being at home. He isn't desperate to leave because he hates being here. He said he was slightly sad (albeit happy) about getting the job because he’s enjoyed being in a village his mind could finally think (his words) He does want to go and have the experience of being 22 and living in London with his mates.

DH thinks we should leave him to it. He's an adult, he's earning a decent salary, he's saved a good amount already and he's allowed to prioritise having fun and living with his friends over maximising his savings.
And I know he's right.

But I can't help thinking that a free two-bedroom flat in Hammersmith and Fulham that is fully paid for and his parents own is the sort of offer you don't turn down lightly at 22!

At the same time, perhaps I'm looking at it entirely through the lens of being his parent. I'm thinking about deposits, investments and financial security. He's thinking about having his four best friends round for dinner, going to the pub after work and coming home to a house full of people his own age.
He's not asking us to subsidise a lavish lifestyle either. He has £16k saved, a £38k salary and presumably will be perfectly capable of paying his own rent. He just doesn't want the financially optimal option.
And perhaps that's the point. He can afford to make the choice he actually wants.
So AIBU to think he's mad?Would you take the free London flat and save like mad for the next few years or would you pay rent to live with four of your best friends at 22 because you only get to be 22 once?
I'm increasingly wondering whether I'm confusing “financially sensible” with “the right choice for him”.

Maybe I am being unreasoned he’s 22, has a girlfriend who is soon moving to London too and wants to experience London to its full potential, get pissed with his friends and have fun I can’t fault him maybe I am being unreasonable.

It sounds to me that he wants to be independent, which is a good thing, even if it seems financially foolish. Perhaps he thinks you will be 'popping in' without notice.
I know it feels like a slap in the face to you, but I think it's admirable that he wants to stand on his own two feet. Many others with dependent adult children would be envious. I think he will grow into an adult you can be proud of.

titchy · Today 10:39

BeNeatCat · Today 10:37

I proposed the idea of subsiding his rent DH said let’s let him figure it out himself and when and if he asks for support we will be here to help him. He’s worked for a year and lived at home rent free with not much outgoings so he should be fine for a year at least.

Oh FFS let him grow up!

TheBayHorse · Today 10:40

He wants to live with a larger group so your flat doesn't meet his needs any more than a flat in a different city would.

Butt out of his life and leave him to it. In the future if he wants to either save money or live in a smaller place maybe he'll be interested in the flat then.

MatildaTheCat · Today 10:42

Rent the flat and save the profit for your DC in the future. That way he can live as he chooses for a few years and learn to budget while living with his mates. Later you’ll have the funds to give him a decent deposit when he’s ready to buy. Keep the deposit money quiet.

Job done.

FrankieZebra · Today 10:43

MatildaTheCat · Today 10:42

Rent the flat and save the profit for your DC in the future. That way he can live as he chooses for a few years and learn to budget while living with his mates. Later you’ll have the funds to give him a decent deposit when he’s ready to buy. Keep the deposit money quiet.

Job done.

Yep, I don’t understand why this is even an issue.

HussleMe · Today 10:44

He wants the young person experience of living somewhere fun with his mates 🤷🏻‍♀️ Leave him to it!

BeNeatCat · Today 10:45

titchy · Today 10:39

Oh FFS let him grow up!

You are right I think for me it’s hard it’s first born and our daughter will be off to uni soon I guess we are just those parents that struggle to adjust we will get there. In the end we only want the best for them. Every parents operates differently maybe our parenting isn’t the best he seems to have been doing fine so far. Sadly in the parenting books or what DH knows as a paediatrician it doesn’t say much about this nothing wrong with 9 gestures after seeing your son go through job applications whereby some requires 6 to 8 rounds of interviews, tasks and assessment centres.

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Rainbowralph · Today 10:47

Let him have his fun with his friends and make the offer again in a year or two, sure he’ll grab it then!

DelphiniumBlue · Today 10:47

He may already have made the commitment to move with his friends before you offered the flat, and doesn’t want to let them down. And he may feel he wants to be independent, and that if he accepts the flat, it might come with strings attached.

BeNeatCat · Today 10:48

SixtySomething · Today 10:39

It sounds to me that he wants to be independent, which is a good thing, even if it seems financially foolish. Perhaps he thinks you will be 'popping in' without notice.
I know it feels like a slap in the face to you, but I think it's admirable that he wants to stand on his own two feet. Many others with dependent adult children would be envious. I think he will grow into an adult you can be proud of.

Perhaps that’s what he thinks. In the 12 years we rented the flat to the same couple we went in twice. Either way the flat will be there if he later wants it and no strings attached he’s our son we love him unconditionally and hope that he settles in well in London and has a great time it’s a great city I enjoyed it there. It would just be great to keep the flat within the family as it was my late father's no one else within the extended family needs the flat we did ask when the previous tenants bought their own house and our daughter isn’t going to uni in London we can’t really leave the flat empty for 5 years while she studies she might not even want to work in London after her degree as medicine when you’re an F1 they place you and she might not be placed in London.

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Chilly80 · Today 10:49

I'd do short term let's for a year if you can stomach it and ask him again in a year as things will be totally different then.
He may hate living with his mates.
He may hate having little spare cash.
He may want to live with his GF.
His mates may want to live elsewhere.

HelloPossible · Today 10:54

I just think they are two very different choices, living with friends in a house share in a fun part of the city probably near a large park and a 2 bedroom flat in Hammersmith where he is likely to be living on his own. I am surprised you are surprised to be honest. Also he will have some responsibility for your flat if he lives there which he will not if he lives with 3 mates in a house. Personally I would carry on renting it out if you don’t want it or use it yourself for trips to see your son and London.

22 isn’t that young , he is probably more sensible than you realise and the social circle he can cultivate through work and his mates is worth more than some money saved. They will be able to have proper house parties at home for starters.

blankittyblank · Today 10:54

BeNeatCat · Today 09:54

I haven’t said it’s now or never it was just an option I gave him and I was shocked. He said if it was a 4 bed then yes but it’s only a 2 bed so his 4 friends can’t all live there not enough space to work from home three times a week etc for all of them.

It’s not exactly hard to inherit a flat of a dead parent. It’s not my flat originally I never bought it only had it under my name when my father passed away almost 15 years ago we don’t have multiple properties in London. Same way in my will my house goes to my kids and everything my husband and I own will just go to them. They’ll inherit a 4 bedroom house in a village not boasting it’s what happens in most families when someone dies.

I guess the difference to inherit a flat and not have to sell it is where the privileged element comes in. My sister and I inherited our parents house - and I would have loved to have been able to keep it. But we both needed to money so we sold it.
But I also agree that you're not the property moguls/milionaires you're being made out to be!

LlynTegid · Today 10:57

Chilly80 · Today 10:49

I'd do short term let's for a year if you can stomach it and ask him again in a year as things will be totally different then.
He may hate living with his mates.
He may hate having little spare cash.
He may want to live with his GF.
His mates may want to live elsewhere.

With the rental reforms, a year is only a theory. So rent out until the new tenant leaves, and then ask again.

I think he is being ridiculous, it is easy to get around London and be sociable.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · Today 10:58

Sartre · Today 10:35

He’s making a silly and frankly spoilt decision but let him. He’ll soon get sick of forking out 1k a month in rent plus bills.

Or relish his fantastic time in London with his best mates

Girlwithavibe · Today 11:04

Flat isn't going anywhere is it !
Your son's youth and fun window will gradually cease and then he won't get an opportunity for the same experience of living with his 4 friends !
I think he's quiet sensible and u should trust his choices

Mapletree1985 · Today 11:11

You are being very sensible about finances but you're being unreasonable to think you can make these decisions for him. Save the income from the flat for him (but don't tell him!) and surprise him with a nice lump sum for a deposit when the time comes.

boysmuminherts · Today 11:13

Will the flat still be around in a few years when he's 25-26 and has enjoyed the fun times with his friends? He can have it then? Let him be 22!

Chilly80 · Today 11:15

LlynTegid · Today 10:57

With the rental reforms, a year is only a theory. So rent out until the new tenant leaves, and then ask again.

I think he is being ridiculous, it is easy to get around London and be sociable.

I meant Airbnb, I presume that's what they've done over the summer.

Aleveldilemma · Today 11:17

Awful lot of outing and very repetitive information OP!

LiuBei · Today 11:18

I dont really understand why the extent to which he's enjoyed village life is relevant to the decision about what flat to live in.

Could he feel that the flat comes with certain strings attached that he just doesn't want?

disturbia · Today 11:18

BeNeatCat · Today 08:58

DS is 22 and has finally got his first proper job in London and we are absolutely thrilled for him. He graduated from the University of Edinburgh with a first in Economics last year and came home afterwards. We live in a village and while looking for work he worked at the local farm shop and tutored A-level students.

We didn't charge him rent. He helps around the house and it's actually been really lovely having him home. He says he genuinely missed the village when he was at university the peace and quiet, being able to get back into reading and cycling, and having time with our four dogs.

He's also managed to save about £16k since graduating so it's not as though he's been sitting around spending everything he earns. He's actually been very sensible financially.
He's now got a London job on £38k which we're very chuffed about. That’s a very good wage for a 22 year old newly grad.

DH and I have a two bedroom flat in Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. We’ve been renting for a while and the tenants have since bought a house now so they’ve moved out. We have had it on short term let as it’s been summer time so lots of tourists have been eager, it’s had a new group of people every other week or so since May it’s been quite hard for us to keep up with to be honest as this was our first time doing short term let’s seems as though the market in London is good. We've offered the flat to our son him and a friend completely rent-free. They would only have to pay the bills.
And he's said no.Because he wants to live with THREE of his mates. They’re currently searching and have been going to views for a 4 bed.

I have told him he's being ridiculous. He is 22, starting his first job on £38k, and we've basically handed him free accommodation in London. He could live there, pay the bills, continue saving and potentially build up a very decent pot of money over the next few years.Instead, he wants to rent a house with four friends because he wants the experience of living with them. I get it. I lived with 5 other girls (friends I made at uni) in London after university and throughly enjoy it they’re still my closest friends. And this is where I am conflicted because, if I'm being completely honest, I do understand it but also the economy is different to when I was 22

He's had a very nice year at home. He's saved £16k, had a peaceful year in the village, read, cycled, spent time with the dogs and generally enjoyed being at home. He isn't desperate to leave because he hates being here. He said he was slightly sad (albeit happy) about getting the job because he’s enjoyed being in a village his mind could finally think (his words) He does want to go and have the experience of being 22 and living in London with his mates.

DH thinks we should leave him to it. He's an adult, he's earning a decent salary, he's saved a good amount already and he's allowed to prioritise having fun and living with his friends over maximising his savings.
And I know he's right.

But I can't help thinking that a free two-bedroom flat in Hammersmith and Fulham that is fully paid for and his parents own is the sort of offer you don't turn down lightly at 22!

At the same time, perhaps I'm looking at it entirely through the lens of being his parent. I'm thinking about deposits, investments and financial security. He's thinking about having his four best friends round for dinner, going to the pub after work and coming home to a house full of people his own age.
He's not asking us to subsidise a lavish lifestyle either. He has £16k saved, a £38k salary and presumably will be perfectly capable of paying his own rent. He just doesn't want the financially optimal option.
And perhaps that's the point. He can afford to make the choice he actually wants.
So AIBU to think he's mad?Would you take the free London flat and save like mad for the next few years or would you pay rent to live with four of your best friends at 22 because you only get to be 22 once?
I'm increasingly wondering whether I'm confusing “financially sensible” with “the right choice for him”.

Maybe I am being unreasoned he’s 22, has a girlfriend who is soon moving to London too and wants to experience London to its full potential, get pissed with his friends and have fun I can’t fault him maybe I am being unreasonable.

He just wants to be independent and learn how to manage everything. I think he sounds a very capable man

titchy · Today 11:23

Aleveldilemma · Today 11:17

Awful lot of outing and very repetitive information OP!

Indeed. Even down to paediatrician father and medical student sister!

Edit: and OP’s PhD!

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