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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

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InterIgnis · Today 13:02

user1464187087 · Today 12:53

He just doesn't know how to treat people with respect. Just a minor thing like that eh?

He’s 18. He felt, perhaps reasonably because teachers do get it wrong at times, that he had been treated unfairly by his teachers, and upon getting the vindication that was his results he reacted in the moment. He later apologized for it.

Was it immature? Sure. Was it a damning indictment of his entire character now and in the future? Hardly.

GingerBeverage · Today 13:02

What an elaborate revenge plot.
And, for what? So some teachers who will have no part of his life again can be surprised?
Makes me wonder how he'll react to perceived injustices in his father's workplace. Also try and take revenge? Hard for the other employees to report.

The money issue is separate. Of course he will spunk the money away. But perhaps, given he seems to have a somewhat oppositional mindset, you could openly encourage him to fritter it away on rubbish, and tell him you expect he'll not have two pennies left in a year. That way he might get the hump with you and stick it in a safe place..

Dilemma999 · Today 13:06

I’m sure universities receive some sort of teachers reference so he may have shot himself in the foot high grades or not. He sounds immature - hopefully a gap year and some work experience will help.

randomnamegenerated · Today 13:09

NavyRobin · Today 12:52

I mean his friend achieved Cs and Ds all throughout year 12 and got predicted As and applied to Cambridge and got in. In the end he did get 4A stars. During the time when they were prepping this UCAS applications this friend's mum did tell me she got in touch with the school to change his predicted grades and they did.

This is very surprising actually. Makes me wonder a bit about this whole thread.

Anarchy99 · Today 13:09

Will he be completely supporting himself if he has a gap year? All accommodation, spending, food, transport etc?

His behaviour is really odd.

NavyRobin · Today 13:10

randomnamegenerated · Today 13:09

This is very surprising actually. Makes me wonder a bit about this whole thread.

Why is it surprising, lots of students beg teachers to up their predicted grades for UCAS applications just for the sake of it. Its a whole discussion that goes on due to predicted grades not being very true. You are free to not read the thread if you believe this isn't an issue in lots of schools not just my sons.

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user1464187087 · Today 13:11

InterIgnis · Today 13:02

He’s 18. He felt, perhaps reasonably because teachers do get it wrong at times, that he had been treated unfairly by his teachers, and upon getting the vindication that was his results he reacted in the moment. He later apologized for it.

Was it immature? Sure. Was it a damning indictment of his entire character now and in the future? Hardly.

Ah so the answer is to stick your middle finger up at them, after puposefully deceiving the teacher(s) for a year.
The actions of a true gentleman.
I'm sure he will face challenges at uni whereby all the students are on a more even level of intellect and some more so.
I'm sure he won't face challenges at Dad's company.

Akinator · Today 13:12

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NavyRobin · Today 13:12

Anarchy99 · Today 13:09

Will he be completely supporting himself if he has a gap year? All accommodation, spending, food, transport etc?

His behaviour is really odd.

He lives at home with us ? why would he pay for food when the food is already in the house, he just eats what we all eat. he has offered to pay whilst he is working dh and I have agreed but we will just put it in account for him and give it to him later on. Personally I don't need my son's money.

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GooseCreekandtheRiver · Today 13:12

I’m going against the grain, but I feel bad for him. He knew he was capable of those grades but the people around him let him down. Did anyone believe in him other than his favourite teacher? Did you have his back OP and argue the case for his predicted grades?

Well done to him for knuckling down and studying to get the grades. He could so easily have gone the other way and dropped out.

Franpie · Today 13:13

SueFlay12 · Today 13:01

This

I'm shocked that so many pps think what your son did is OK

It isn't OK

It's nasty and unreasonable

What happens when he's not working for Dad in 5 years time with his possible 1st class degree and someone says or suggests something he doesn't like. How does he react? Almost certainly like a fucking psychopath

And as for his GPs and Father drooling over him. Pah! That's not character building

Psychopath?? Just because he flipped a teacher the finger?!

Yes, it was rude and if my son did that then he’d get a telling off from me but it doesn’t make him a psychopath ffs.

I completely understand him (at 17/18) deciding he’s not going to try in his class tests. Those tests were pointless for him after he was given low predicted grades on his UCAS form. He knew all that mattered were the actual exams as he was going to have to reapply with grades in hand.

I’d be quite disappointed in the school tbh. To misunderstand a kid’s potential and intellectual capabilities by such a large degree is a failing of the school and the teachers imo.

Pashazade · Today 13:14

I think OP that sadly there is nothing you can do about the money. He may find Uni a massive shock especially if he gets into Cambridge, he won’t be the smartest kid in the room anymore. I would make sure you come to an agreement about how he is going to spend his gap and year and what is expected of him around the house as an adult! He does not get to swan around and do sweet FA and if he refuses to help well he can move out, after all he’s got lots of money he can afford to rent a room somewhere!

Random321 · Today 13:14

Do you not see an similarities between your son and your husband?!

Your husband molded and encouraged this behaviour & attitude.

diddledoodum · Today 13:14

Ok I know I should let it go but I can’t..!
OP for the love of god WHO IS FUNDING UNIVERSITY??

NavyRobin · Today 13:16

user1464187087 · Today 13:11

Ah so the answer is to stick your middle finger up at them, after puposefully deceiving the teacher(s) for a year.
The actions of a true gentleman.
I'm sure he will face challenges at uni whereby all the students are on a more even level of intellect and some more so.
I'm sure he won't face challenges at Dad's company.

I am sure he knows he will not be the smartest at university, he has already started looked at first year content and wants to spend his gap year learning too. I think you have the wrong impression on my son whom you do not know. I am not happy with his behaviour but then again at 18 I did much worse at school and changed a lot between 17 to 20 I am willing to give him grace considering I know him, his work ethic and what he is capable to achieving. He wants to work for his dad because he wants to learn, he has had previous work experiences at engineering firms and they had nothing but good things to say about him enough to even contact him again for more paid work experience.

He was upset at his teachers for allowing other boys to have higher achieved grades but would not let him. He chose to go about it the wrong way but I am willing to see how he is on his gap year before writing my own son off.

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NavyRobin · Today 13:17

Random321 · Today 13:14

Do you not see an similarities between your son and your husband?!

Your husband molded and encouraged this behaviour & attitude.

No not really they are very different in fact

OP posts:
HereComesTheNight · Today 13:18

diddledoodum · Today 13:14

Ok I know I should let it go but I can’t..!
OP for the love of god WHO IS FUNDING UNIVERSITY??

I don't think it matters. There's clearly a lot of family wealth and student loans are not going to bother him, either they will be paid back upon graduation like many wealthy people do or they just won't take them.

likelysuspect · Today 13:19

GooseCreekandtheRiver · Today 13:12

I’m going against the grain, but I feel bad for him. He knew he was capable of those grades but the people around him let him down. Did anyone believe in him other than his favourite teacher? Did you have his back OP and argue the case for his predicted grades?

Well done to him for knuckling down and studying to get the grades. He could so easily have gone the other way and dropped out.

The people around him let him down?

Why are you creating a victim narrative around this young man?

He was predicted grades based on what they thought, unless as I asked of another poster earlier yout hink there was some vendetta against him?

Anarchy99 · Today 13:19

NavyRobin · Today 13:16

I am sure he knows he will not be the smartest at university, he has already started looked at first year content and wants to spend his gap year learning too. I think you have the wrong impression on my son whom you do not know. I am not happy with his behaviour but then again at 18 I did much worse at school and changed a lot between 17 to 20 I am willing to give him grace considering I know him, his work ethic and what he is capable to achieving. He wants to work for his dad because he wants to learn, he has had previous work experiences at engineering firms and they had nothing but good things to say about him enough to even contact him again for more paid work experience.

He was upset at his teachers for allowing other boys to have higher achieved grades but would not let him. He chose to go about it the wrong way but I am willing to see how he is on his gap year before writing my own son off.

He was upset at his teachers for allowing other boys to have higher achieved grades but would not let him.

Seriously? Presumably he is 18 so a grown man now. Hopefully he will now start to behave like one.

NavyRobin · Today 13:20

Pashazade · Today 13:14

I think OP that sadly there is nothing you can do about the money. He may find Uni a massive shock especially if he gets into Cambridge, he won’t be the smartest kid in the room anymore. I would make sure you come to an agreement about how he is going to spend his gap and year and what is expected of him around the house as an adult! He does not get to swan around and do sweet FA and if he refuses to help well he can move out, after all he’s got lots of money he can afford to rent a room somewhere!

He knows he will never be the smartest in the room he isn't saying that he is. He is choosing to spend his gap year learning various content ready for next year I am 100% sure he knows there knowledge he lacks and is willing to learn from others. He does help around the house, we have never had an issue with that otherwise it must a be a ghost that unloads our dishwasher every morning, he helps with house work, always tidy. You have the wrong impression of him, this behaviour is new and its mainly due to UCAS predicted grades.

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ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 13:21

likelysuspect · Today 13:19

The people around him let him down?

Why are you creating a victim narrative around this young man?

He was predicted grades based on what they thought, unless as I asked of another poster earlier yout hink there was some vendetta against him?

This.
This thread will descend into a teaching bashing funzone for all those fictional teachers that deliberately downgrade ucas predictions.

randomnamegenerated · Today 13:21

NavyRobin · Today 13:10

Why is it surprising, lots of students beg teachers to up their predicted grades for UCAS applications just for the sake of it. Its a whole discussion that goes on due to predicted grades not being very true. You are free to not read the thread if you believe this isn't an issue in lots of schools not just my sons.

I'm finding it surprising that the school agreed to change one set of predicted grades and not another. They're generally not keen on doing anything that will damage relationships with Oxbridge, so don't like to support the applications that they don't believe ultimately have good odds of success.

For what it's worth, one of mine also had fairly rubbish predicted grades, which surprised the school. At that point, we all agreed that they would take a gap year and see what transpired. They had moved at 6th form and were clearly capable of doing the work but were distracted by socialising and just not trying very hard. At the point of the unexpectedly disappointing predictions, the school suggested a gap year and seeing how the actual grades went. I'm a bit surprised yours didn't do the same. My DC got 4A* in the end, also doing maths and further, did get a Cambridge place but decided to take an ivy place instead.

Puppylucky · Today 13:22

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Today 12:51

I don’t understand why you’d take umbrage at anything. Your mocks went badly and you say yourself that you didn’t knuckle down until revision time. What were your teachers supposed to do? Predict better grades and keep their fingers crossed that you’d pull your head out of your arse in time for your exams?

Your teachers told your parents that you weren’t capable because for whatever reason, you were showing them that you weren’t capable. If anything, your teachers should have been giving you the finger for wasting their time trying to help you achieve at least some good results, when all along it was just laziness on your part.

Fair point - if the teachers. had been trying or paying attention to me. In my experience 6th form teaching in a comp is focused around the few obviously bright and motivated students. The rest of us were left to struggle along and find our own motivation. I did because I had other advantages but lots of others didn't.

HereComesTheNight · Today 13:23

Actually I have changed my mind a bit having seen the OPs updates.
It sounds like the school got it very wrong with low grade predictions. Of course he still might not have got into Cambridge, my own DC did the same subjects, got all A*s but missed his Cambridge offer on the STEP admission papers.
It's cost him a year which is a lot when you are 18 and I understand his resentment. Not many would have the determination to do what he did.

eleventybillionpillsisntenough · Today 13:23

I can’t get past the volumes of money this kid is rocking about with !

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