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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

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InterIgnis · Today 12:47

LimeShade · Today 12:45

He sounds like a sociopath/ narcissist. You must know that no-one normal behaves the way he has done. They just don’t

No, he doesn’t.

bobby81 · Today 12:48

Sorry OP but his attitude sounds awful & I would be worried too. Sounds like your DH is part of the problem too. I would be outraged at the behaviour on results day. And trying to deceive school re his results sounds really strange.
My DC will inherit a large sum of money from grandparents but not until they are 21. The money will be held in trust & only allowed to be used for certain things like a house purchase or education. I think that’s much more sensible than giving it to an 18 year old to do what they like with it. I don’t get on with my ex in laws but I’m very grateful to them that they have set up that kind of arrangement.

diddledoodum · Today 12:49

I’d love the OP to answer my question: who will be funding university??

XelaM · Today 12:49

NavyRobin · Today 10:53

I am just shocked at his behaviour, all this time we received emails and phone calls from school saying, he is getting 12% on his tests, saying he doesn't know all the time when asked a question in class, teachers offering to help him as they were confused why he was getting such low results. Then at home DH and I see him revising all the time and sticking to a routine, every Saturday he was going to the library for 8 hours, we had his location and were telling the school that he was revising. Turns out he was pretending at school all because his teachers did not want to predict him A stars to apply for Cambridge. The we were having to go to meetings at the school. Now results day his head of year was confused and he goes over to him and laughs in his face and puts his middle finger up at him. DH found it funny and was encouraging him. He scored the highest in his year group for his Maths A Levels and now the school has to put his name up, DH then says in the car 'that'll teach them' The whole year he was pretending to be stupid at school on purpose. I just do not understand what goes on in a 17-18 year olds mind. Yes he was not predicted great results but in the end we accepted that and told him to just work hard but he decided to act like this instead

Your son sounds awesome 🤩 leave him be

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Today 12:51

Puppylucky · Today 12:37

I did something similar and for much the same reasons. My mocks went so badly my teachers advised my parents that I should drop at least one subject as I wasn't capable. I took massive umbrage at this and finally knuckled down at revision stage ( so no longer under my teachers direct supervision) and got very good results. I didn't put my finger up to my teachers but was very tempted particularly when they suddenly took an interest in what I was going to do next after writing me off for two years.

I don’t understand why you’d take umbrage at anything. Your mocks went badly and you say yourself that you didn’t knuckle down until revision time. What were your teachers supposed to do? Predict better grades and keep their fingers crossed that you’d pull your head out of your arse in time for your exams?

Your teachers told your parents that you weren’t capable because for whatever reason, you were showing them that you weren’t capable. If anything, your teachers should have been giving you the finger for wasting their time trying to help you achieve at least some good results, when all along it was just laziness on your part.

NavyRobin · Today 12:52

likelysuspect · Today 12:45

He does sound entitled. So teachers at the time were not willing to predict As. What gives him the right to think they have to predict the grades he wants or needs? They'll predict the grades they think he was capable of. Its not a scient, it wont alwayd be correct in the end, but thats the system.

Who on earth does he think he is?

I mean his friend achieved Cs and Ds all throughout year 12 and got predicted As and applied to Cambridge and got in. In the end he did get 4A stars. During the time when they were prepping this UCAS applications this friend's mum did tell me she got in touch with the school to change his predicted grades and they did.

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Seagulldancing · Today 12:52

You have raised a spoilt young man, before the inlaws money ever came into the picture. Im amazed you didn't challenge the school on his predicted marks though. What they did was outrageous and Ive every sympathy for him in his behaviour with the school.
Time to put it all behind you all though. Time to talk about how you will support him going forward and what he needs to do. Expecting a spoilt teenager to be grateful serves noone.

user1464187087 · Today 12:53

Franpie · Today 12:46

I don’t think you have anything to worry about and you’re just looking for problems.

You have a very intelligent, hard working son. He is very fortunate that he has wealthy grandparents and a father that can support his career aspirations. He is well set up for his future.

Sure, he will blow some of that £44k on silly things. He’s only 18, of course he will. And obviously his grandparents don’t mind as otherwise they would have put it in a trust. He’ll likely be given more money from them when he graduates, when he turns 21 and/or 25, when he gets married, when he has his first child or buys his first home.

DH was a trust fund kid. He got his first pay out at 18 and blew the lots on clothes and holidays. He got another at 21 which he was more sensible with and then another at 25 which he used for a house deposit. He is extremely careful with money and how he behaved with money at 18 is no reflection on how he is with money now in his late 40’s.

You don’t need to experience hardship or struggle in order to know the value of money or the importance of working hard. Your son knows how important it is to work hard and he has proved he is capable of it with his excellent A Level results.

He just doesn't know how to treat people with respect. Just a minor thing like that eh?

kombuchabucha · Today 12:53

Giving £44k to an 18 year old is absolutely ludicrous. I disagree with the sentiment re your ILs of it being their money and so they can spend or gift it as they wish, as they have given it to your son at an age where he is likely to spaff it away on unnecessary things (eg new car when he already has one), whereas if he'd received that money when he was looking to buy a house for example, it could be life changing. It's teaching him he doesn't haven't to work and save for things he wants, which is a terrible lesson for an 18 year old. Also, why £34k for his birthday, seems a random number! He should be using that money to pay for tuition fees at uni so he's not stuck paying the debt plus interest back when he graduates.

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Today 12:54

NavyRobin · Today 12:44

I doubt he will give a bad character reference as the head of year has been in touch with us since and our son did apologise but he did say he went to him many times before submitting his UCAS application for advice and support and can understand why our son was upset (doesn't excuse the behaviour)

So he’s willing to lie, and pretend that your son didn’t behave really badly? Well that’s lucky, isn’t it? Let’s hope that luck follows him through his life.

Strawberrymilkshakez · Today 12:55

The money would worry me op it’s a shame sone of it wasn’t held back until next year when he starts uni. I knew someone who had inheritance at the age and spent it all partying. It sounds as if the teachers annoyed ds and he knew his own capabilities for that I kind of don’t blame him! Yes he has done well, working with his dad could be a good move for now.

NavyRobin · Today 12:55

Seagulldancing · Today 12:52

You have raised a spoilt young man, before the inlaws money ever came into the picture. Im amazed you didn't challenge the school on his predicted marks though. What they did was outrageous and Ive every sympathy for him in his behaviour with the school.
Time to put it all behind you all though. Time to talk about how you will support him going forward and what he needs to do. Expecting a spoilt teenager to be grateful serves noone.

We did ask the school twice and they said no and our son just said to leave it there he knows he will get A stars he is passionate about the subjects. We know his work ethic and chose to trust him. I mean he had a whole time table from the start of year 13 for revision and he said to us to hold him accountable on it at home and DH was marking his past papers as our son was printing out and getting through almost 10 past papers at week just at home which is why we were confused by the emails from school asking whether he is revising because he was doing badly on the tests that the teachers marked on purpose

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H00vervlawnmower · Today 12:56

How times have changed !

My parents gave me
£1 for every O Level that I passed

I started PT work at 16 & worked during all the holidays
My parents gave me small amount of money to go on holidays with my friends when I was a teenager (Duke of Edinburgh group)

Uni - Parents bought something, which is still on my wall today at Graduation

A degree does not guarantee a person a job, it is the soft skills & personality too

AprilMizzel · Today 12:56

NavyRobin · Today 12:44

I doubt he will give a bad character reference as the head of year has been in touch with us since and our son did apologise but he did say he went to him many times before submitting his UCAS application for advice and support and can understand why our son was upset (doesn't excuse the behaviour)

That doesn't sound so bad. Poor behavior but he aplogised and he does sound very frustrated.

Being a year older and applying with grades in hand isn't a bad option. If your DH is going to make him work this next year - I think he'll be in a good position next year.

So I think the money more the issue TBH - if you can't stop him being given this amount and it's a lot at a very young age - then best you can do is try and guide him - and that likely mean talking about money - budgeting - if he wants to do master/PhD after undergratdaue - debts and long term thinking - hard for teens.

He could have done worse things with the money so far.

NavyRobin · Today 12:56

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Today 12:54

So he’s willing to lie, and pretend that your son didn’t behave really badly? Well that’s lucky, isn’t it? Let’s hope that luck follows him through his life.

I doubt that he will lie. We will just have to see, he can only be honest our son is involved with tutoring etc he most likely will talk about that, not too sure how he will bring the middle finger situation up but he is free to do that

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DontEatTheMushies · Today 12:57

All you can do is advise him, and then let him adult.

Speak to your partner and make clear though where your boundaries lie as to having to solve any messes.

My parents let us run our lives from 18. we did mess up a lot, they would help, but it had to be reasonable.

You can suggest maybe he talks to a financial planner, career advisor etc, but that's all you can do.

InterIgnis · Today 12:57

kombuchabucha · Today 12:53

Giving £44k to an 18 year old is absolutely ludicrous. I disagree with the sentiment re your ILs of it being their money and so they can spend or gift it as they wish, as they have given it to your son at an age where he is likely to spaff it away on unnecessary things (eg new car when he already has one), whereas if he'd received that money when he was looking to buy a house for example, it could be life changing. It's teaching him he doesn't haven't to work and save for things he wants, which is a terrible lesson for an 18 year old. Also, why £34k for his birthday, seems a random number! He should be using that money to pay for tuition fees at uni so he's not stuck paying the debt plus interest back when he graduates.

It doesn’t have to be either/or. There’s likely money set aside for those things too. This money may have been given to him to be used as disposable income.

SmashThePatriarchy · Today 12:57

NavyRobin · Today 10:53

I am just shocked at his behaviour, all this time we received emails and phone calls from school saying, he is getting 12% on his tests, saying he doesn't know all the time when asked a question in class, teachers offering to help him as they were confused why he was getting such low results. Then at home DH and I see him revising all the time and sticking to a routine, every Saturday he was going to the library for 8 hours, we had his location and were telling the school that he was revising. Turns out he was pretending at school all because his teachers did not want to predict him A stars to apply for Cambridge. The we were having to go to meetings at the school. Now results day his head of year was confused and he goes over to him and laughs in his face and puts his middle finger up at him. DH found it funny and was encouraging him. He scored the highest in his year group for his Maths A Levels and now the school has to put his name up, DH then says in the car 'that'll teach them' The whole year he was pretending to be stupid at school on purpose. I just do not understand what goes on in a 17-18 year olds mind. Yes he was not predicted great results but in the end we accepted that and told him to just work hard but he decided to act like this instead

He smacks of an entitled child. Instead of maturely showing teachers what he was capable of he used it as a power play. This has come back to bite him in the bum as they couldn’t predict him any higher than what they were seeing in terms of his capability.

In the long run it probably won’t make any difference but his attitude is poor. If he carries this into the world of work he will continue to meet barriers.

canklesmctacotits · Today 12:58

I’d be extremely worried about your son’s psychopathic ability to play the long game out of revenge. This is an 18yo male who doesn’t like being slighted, and who can harbour resentment and plan revenge over the course of almost a year. That he’s bright and able to apply himself makes this all the more dangerous. Today it’s his teachers and he only stopped being a minor recently. There will be no guardrails between him and the next person he tries this with.

Yes he’s got good grades - loads of kids do and they’re not obnoxious or arrogant about it. Yes he’s got a bit of cash at the minute - life will teach him the value of money the minute he starts being financially responsible for himself. Yes he has a job lined up with his dad - won’t do him any harm and may well do him good, who knows.

More important than being high achieving, by a factor of a million, is the quality of a person. He can be as successful and maybe even rich as he likes, but if he continues to treat people this way he will end up lonely and unfulfilled - friendless, without long relationships. And I don’t know that there’s anything you can do about it other than warn him. But, show me an 18yo man who will listen, especially one who already thinks he knows better and is having that reinforced by the one parent with whom he’s going to spend all day, every day, for the next year. I’m sorry to say that I feel sorry for you, OP. Hopefully pride will come before the fall and he’ll be humbled at some point soon.

NavyRobin · Today 12:59

kombuchabucha · Today 12:53

Giving £44k to an 18 year old is absolutely ludicrous. I disagree with the sentiment re your ILs of it being their money and so they can spend or gift it as they wish, as they have given it to your son at an age where he is likely to spaff it away on unnecessary things (eg new car when he already has one), whereas if he'd received that money when he was looking to buy a house for example, it could be life changing. It's teaching him he doesn't haven't to work and save for things he wants, which is a terrible lesson for an 18 year old. Also, why £34k for his birthday, seems a random number! He should be using that money to pay for tuition fees at uni so he's not stuck paying the debt plus interest back when he graduates.

The 34k is specific because that is how much they gave their other grandchildren on their 18th birthday. Dhs parents seem to gift all the kids with money at every milestone, our son knows this for his 25th birthday he will have his house deposit from them he knows as that is what has happened with his older cousins

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Anyahyacinth · Today 12:59

Yep very worrying ..as it seems DS can't be a team player, has to have elaborate schemes rather than work with his teachers. Then the rudeness around his success ...peculiar. Why would he think this was some kind of revenge when all he has done is delay entry to further education ..why would his teachers care about that?

I'd be very very careful to ensure DS is safe with that car...his arrogance is worrying and that invincible feeling may be leading to a comeuppance...sincerely hope the world of work will cause him to shape up OP

SueFlay12 · Today 13:01

harderthanIexpected · Today 11:04

I'm with you OP, especially given your update. The PPs saying that it's great he has relevant work experience etc are missing the point IMO.

That level of Machiavellian behaviour suggests he is going to be very successful, but not terribly pleasant. Not helped by being egged on by his dad and fawned over by his grandparents. I would be very disappointed and concerned.

This

I'm shocked that so many pps think what your son did is OK

It isn't OK

It's nasty and unreasonable

What happens when he's not working for Dad in 5 years time with his possible 1st class degree and someone says or suggests something he doesn't like. How does he react? Almost certainly like a fucking psychopath

And as for his GPs and Father drooling over him. Pah! That's not character building

NavyRobin · Today 13:01

SueFlay12 · Today 13:01

This

I'm shocked that so many pps think what your son did is OK

It isn't OK

It's nasty and unreasonable

What happens when he's not working for Dad in 5 years time with his possible 1st class degree and someone says or suggests something he doesn't like. How does he react? Almost certainly like a fucking psychopath

And as for his GPs and Father drooling over him. Pah! That's not character building

Who is saying it is okay ? most are saying its not and i have agreed its not which is why i made this post

His grandparents 'drool' all over their 11 grandkids its not just our son. The older ones who were 'drooled' all over seemed to have turned out well. One who was particularly spoilt is now a doctor hoping to be a neurosurgeon another is a barrister. I don't think they were doing it to make them evil, they want to help but just not in the right ways

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Laurmolonlabe · Today 13:02

No one is "better than that" if you need the money and that's the job you can get that's what you have to do- encouraging this idea is not a good idea - unless he his independently wealth he is not better than that.

AprilMizzel · Today 13:02

NavyRobin · Today 12:52

I mean his friend achieved Cs and Ds all throughout year 12 and got predicted As and applied to Cambridge and got in. In the end he did get 4A stars. During the time when they were prepping this UCAS applications this friend's mum did tell me she got in touch with the school to change his predicted grades and they did.

80% of predicted grades across all subjects taken are wrong.

One of the student speakers at an uni open day got five A* but was rejected from cambridge - she ended up at the smaller uni but she was clearly the big fish in the small pond and I think did much better with opportunties in end than if she got in.

I'd encourage him and you not to dwell - to look forward - he's lucky he can make this next 12 months really work for him and with grades in hand will know early where he's headed next.

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