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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Yesterday 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Anarchy99 · Yesterday 23:26

NavyRobin · Yesterday 23:20

I think he’ll be able to articulate himself well enough at the interview if he does get one. He is passionate about engineering has sought out various work experiences himself we will just have to see. His heart isn’t set on “Cambridge or nothing” he also liked the diamond at uni of Sheffield age various other universities.

If you think that’s the case then that’s your observation. I am not here to talk badly about my son I’ve said I was not happy with his behaviour, I’ve said it’s a recent occurrence since the ucas predicted grades drama and he had since apologised and explained his reasons DH and I have both explained to him how best to go about situations next time. It’s mostly the money from his grandparents but I cannot control that they are free to do with their money as they wish, they treat all 11 grandchildren the same and our son is now 18 I cannot tell him what do do with the money. He knew about investing as he had a JISA that turned into a normal stocks and shares Isa when he turned 18 we are no longer in control of that account but he has asked his father to help him with picking the equities etc. I’m just not happy about the car when he had a working car but again it’s also not my money. DH spoke to his parents multiple times to tell them not to give that amount of money they said they will do what they want if that makes us weak parents then so be in. I’m not going to cut my son from seeing his grandparents who he is very close with for this at 18 it is difficult to create those boundaries when he was younger it was easier as we just saved the money for him in his accounts now the money goes directly to him as he has access to it. I can’t control that they have a trust for him for when he’s 25. I would have liked for him to know the worth of money in different ways. He knows the worth of money in the sense that he has his own small business etc but I think he thinks everyone is as fortunate as him as those are the types of people he is surrounded by at school. Maybe we should have taken him to a state school but the state school is further away from us than the private school. Either way I didn’t come here to talk bad about my son or necessarily insult him I said I was disappointed in his behaviour or wish for him to suffer as many seem to want. As a parent I’ve never wished for my children to suffer I didn’t suffer my parents wouldn’t have let that happen. Just because someone doesn’t suffer does not mean they will be a horrible person come adulthood people can change he’s been 18 for a couple of months I don’t think he’ll be the same person at 21 I certainly wasn’t.

He’s an adult now. However he will get by fine in life - he is clearly clever and also capable of manipulating and fooling people and he has a lot of money and privilege behind him. So he isn’t relying on luck or having to prove himself.

Whether he changes or not, he will still come out on top, I’m sure.

Lavenderandsunflowerfields · Yesterday 23:29

OP. Sorry to say this but from your post your ds is coming across as believing he is superior and most likely because he has been fed this via his dad and GPS. So you're right to be concerned. He's got a lot of growing up to do. Hopefully he won't turn out to be arrogant and unlikeable before he falls flat on his face. The money will run out. Doesn't seem as there is much you can do except wait for him to learn some life lessons seeing as your dh isn't helping the situation.

Anarchy99 · Yesterday 23:35

I don’t have an issue with independent schools at all - I think they are good and that the more people who go to them, the less overcrowded the state system is.

It’s just that with money being thrown at him left right and centre, he doesn’t have to behave well (hence the school issues). What he did at school was weird. Of course his background and his obvious intelligence will stand him in good stead for the future but he coupled with his background, will help him get whatever he wants, which isn’t a bad thing.

Unfortunately you have (possibly unintentionally) painted him as the kind of over privileged person who feels they can do what they want. I’m sure he isn’t really as bad.

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 23:38

NavyRobin · Yesterday 22:52

I am confused you don’t know what subsidies we get from the school. It’s not exactly as though he attends Eton or Harrow these are cheap school with just normal parents not millionaires and billionaires. DHs parents are wealthy but they have never paid any of the fees for our children and they don’t need to as they just go to the local school. The closest school to us just happens to be a private school it’s not a top school by any means we didn’t send our children there for that. We sent them there for extra support you don’t know if my children have any extra needs or anything you’re just making assumptions. 200k fees is far from what we have paid in their time there but I wouldn’t know since you seem to know albeit my husband and I both contribute equal amounts to the fees. You also don’t know what kind of private school it is there is lots of different private schools with different ethos some are even funded by other entities it’s not always just parents paying £200k that you think.

We did have meeting with the school regarding the UCAS predicted grades I have mentioned this right at the start. You are just making assumptions I’ll admit the thread has gone on for a while but I have said this regarding the meeting also regarding his friend who was getting Cs and Ds yet managed to convince the schools to predict him As. Let’s agree to disagree and say that I do not know despite me very much being in touch with the school regarding his ucas application.

Sure, whatever. Your kids might go to a particularly low cost school, but on average
14 years of school fees in a middle of the road independent school, even allowing for a scholarship, will be around £200k

Why did the school not budge over predicted grades given your multiple meetings with them? You seem quite hung up on the other child whose predicted grades were upped and they met their Oxbridge offer - and of course they will still have needed to pass the relevant entrance tests and interviews.

Anarchy99 · Yesterday 23:44

I used to work for a law firm and most years there was at least one of the trainees who would come in knowing it all and treating support staff like shit (despite them having a lot more experience and knowledge). Often their parents would be footing the bill for the trainee’s salary. They didn’t get much better, even years later because they didn’t have to make the effort.

This thread has just reminded me of that for some reason.

NavyRobin · Yesterday 23:50

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 23:38

Sure, whatever. Your kids might go to a particularly low cost school, but on average
14 years of school fees in a middle of the road independent school, even allowing for a scholarship, will be around £200k

Why did the school not budge over predicted grades given your multiple meetings with them? You seem quite hung up on the other child whose predicted grades were upped and they met their Oxbridge offer - and of course they will still have needed to pass the relevant entrance tests and interviews.

If it’s whatever why are you asking questions you can just leave and ignore the thread or report it whichever suits you as you seem to have this agenda and seen to already know it all regarding us, our fees, the school my children go to etc so let’s just agree you know the whole spiel.

It’s past my bedtime now to be honest got to sleep. Have to wake up early and work very hard at my small business since we can afford 200k fees as you know how much my business generates. I thought my accountant who knows the ins and outs of my silly little business knew it all but looks like you know more than her time.

I think your whole view on private schools might be slightly skewed but what do I know I can only speak about the local private schools near us where parents aren’t necessarily wealthy. We have lots of parents, south asian, black, white etc who sacrifice a lot to pay their kids fees not your typical eton dons but you also know the demographics and how much the fees are and the scholarships and bursaries and various other subsidies offers. All this time I thought I knew my children’s school considering they’ve been there since they were 4 years old but I guess not.

OP posts:
InterIgnis · Yesterday 23:52

Lavenderandsunflowerfields · Yesterday 23:29

OP. Sorry to say this but from your post your ds is coming across as believing he is superior and most likely because he has been fed this via his dad and GPS. So you're right to be concerned. He's got a lot of growing up to do. Hopefully he won't turn out to be arrogant and unlikeable before he falls flat on his face. The money will run out. Doesn't seem as there is much you can do except wait for him to learn some life lessons seeing as your dh isn't helping the situation.

The money will likely accumulate, rather than run out. He’s not spending it stupidly, and nor is he without drive or financial acumen.

The idea that he’s destined to fail in future sounds very much like wishful thinking.

Anarchy99 · Yesterday 23:56

NavyRobin · Yesterday 23:50

If it’s whatever why are you asking questions you can just leave and ignore the thread or report it whichever suits you as you seem to have this agenda and seen to already know it all regarding us, our fees, the school my children go to etc so let’s just agree you know the whole spiel.

It’s past my bedtime now to be honest got to sleep. Have to wake up early and work very hard at my small business since we can afford 200k fees as you know how much my business generates. I thought my accountant who knows the ins and outs of my silly little business knew it all but looks like you know more than her time.

I think your whole view on private schools might be slightly skewed but what do I know I can only speak about the local private schools near us where parents aren’t necessarily wealthy. We have lots of parents, south asian, black, white etc who sacrifice a lot to pay their kids fees not your typical eton dons but you also know the demographics and how much the fees are and the scholarships and bursaries and various other subsidies offers. All this time I thought I knew my children’s school considering they’ve been there since they were 4 years old but I guess not.

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Okay I can see where the attitude may have come from…

Bunny44 · Today 00:11

YANBU.

FWIW my brother studied engineering at Bath and has a high level role at a well known engineering firm 20 years later and it pays well but not incredible. His wife works full time too and is with the cost of living that £44k could have gone a long way for a deposit or to help him in future. I think maybe £10k max now towards travelling and the rest in savings. Unless they're planning on giving him a lot more in future, which I imagine not?

Either way it seems an insane amount to give to an 18yo in one go and I'd be worried if someone gave my child that too.

SabrinaThwaite · Today 00:38

NavyRobin · Yesterday 23:50

If it’s whatever why are you asking questions you can just leave and ignore the thread or report it whichever suits you as you seem to have this agenda and seen to already know it all regarding us, our fees, the school my children go to etc so let’s just agree you know the whole spiel.

It’s past my bedtime now to be honest got to sleep. Have to wake up early and work very hard at my small business since we can afford 200k fees as you know how much my business generates. I thought my accountant who knows the ins and outs of my silly little business knew it all but looks like you know more than her time.

I think your whole view on private schools might be slightly skewed but what do I know I can only speak about the local private schools near us where parents aren’t necessarily wealthy. We have lots of parents, south asian, black, white etc who sacrifice a lot to pay their kids fees not your typical eton dons but you also know the demographics and how much the fees are and the scholarships and bursaries and various other subsidies offers. All this time I thought I knew my children’s school considering they’ve been there since they were 4 years old but I guess not.

Edited

As I said, average school fees are publicly available. As are the average scholarship discounts. Your DC may well be at some teeny tiny super cheap school that heavily discounts for county level sports, but that seems unlikely for a school that goes from 4 through to 18.

You still haven’t answered why your amazingly clever and super dedicated DS was getting low grade predictions before he allegedly started dicking about and deliberately failing mocks because of being so cross about said grade predictions.

carbontesting8418 · Today 00:41

Anarchy99 · Yesterday 23:26

He’s an adult now. However he will get by fine in life - he is clearly clever and also capable of manipulating and fooling people and he has a lot of money and privilege behind him. So he isn’t relying on luck or having to prove himself.

Whether he changes or not, he will still come out on top, I’m sure.

The wealthy private school old boys network always do. They can be decidedly average in skill and character, but still come out on top. Family money buys you everything.

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