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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

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ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 22:14

NavyRobin · Today 22:10

Not sure I’d it his just his school but he has a friend who was getting Cs and Ds and his parents managed to convince the school to predict him As so he could at least have a chance at Oxbridge and he managed to get in and will be starting this academic year. I don’t think there is a specific policy every school operates under in terms of predicted grades or a specific criteria for every single student. Each year there’s issues with predicted grades I have friends who have children slightly older than mine and I’ve heard all about their UCAS predicted grades issues

Yes you've repeatedly mentioned this example.

If the school believes the student has the capability of a giving those grades they will predict them.

'the specific policy' is simply how schools and universities work.

Pinkissmart · Today 22:15

LaurieFairyCake · Today 10:59

Yeah your kids a bit of a twat. He COULD have gone to a great uni THIS year if he didn’t. 🤷‍♀️

However it’s fine, he could probably do with a ‘real’ job this year working with real people who work in the industry so just let him crack on. Providing the adults already in this job feel free to speak up if he acts like a tosser? And not just because he’s the bosses son they feel curtailed ?

it will likely do him good to knuckle down and learn a real job

Do you not think Waitrose is a ‘real job’?

If course it is fantastic to get work experience in his chosen field , but doesn’t do much for character building to be told Waitrose is beneath him.

Comeinsideforacupoftea · Today 22:15

CrispySquid · Today 22:08

The predictive grades were objective. OP said he was scoring deliberately low in all his tests to the point teachers were phoning parents, offering interventions etc. Teacher only had his low grades to go off to base a prediction off. What else could she go off?! OP says in her very first post he was scoring 12% in tests.

This isn’t a case of a student getting straight A’s but being a prick so teacher took a dislike to him and predicted him lower. OP said he intentionally scored low but then worked really hard/pulled it out of the bag at the final hurdle for the real thing after the predicted grade window had lapsed. Predicted grades can only be based on past performance with a small weighting given to an uplift for final minute grafting/work ethic. You would literally lose your job as a teacher if you gave a student a predicted grade good enough for Oxbridge if he was regularly scoring 12% in tests.

The impression I'm getting from OP is that he sabotaged his informal tests after the school had predicted his grades but I don't think it's very clear exactly what occured from OP's posts

NavyRobin · Today 22:16

SabrinaThwaite · Today 22:10

Since this school has apparently known him since he was aged 4, I suspect they knew him rather well. Plus the £200k or so of fees over that time generally makes schools keen to support strong applicants to places like COWI, because it’s good for promoting the school to prospective parents.

Yes they’ve known him since he was 4 and he’s always had a good experience with them. One of the teachers that since predicted him a B has left, he left half way through year 13 and many students and parents complained about him during Michaelmas term he was a very new teacher too. Also I am not sure why you’re saying apparently most school know the children that attend from 4 years old my school knew me from nursery till I was 18. You don’t know what fees (I haven’t even said it’s all assumptions) we pay as our children are on scholarships lots of children are on scholarships some can even be on multiple scholarships at the same time.

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usernametaken135 · Today 22:16

NavyRobin · Today 21:44

I think he will think “it is all that” one of his cousins is going into his third year at Cambridge for engineering and my son has been to visit him lots, they’re into the same sub field of engineering our son seems to have learnt a lot from him and his cousin does think “it’s all that” but everyone has a different experience I would not know. I did not go to university to study engineering I did music but it was a pretty good uni and I thought “it was all that” enjoyed my time there thoroughly it enables me to be able to start my own business at 24 and now in my late 20s still at it with the exact same business. Maybe his father is a prick as you say but you don’t know him ? We have since discussed everything with our son. The situation regarding his grandparents is out of our control unfortunately you cannot tell people what do with their own money they’re still sound of mind therefore they will continue to do what they want for all their grandchildren.

Also if these unis weren’t all that I think his cousins and the various friends of mine who have children that have attended these unis are doing quite well would have said. A cousin of mine went to Oxford in the 80s still to this day meets up with his friends, wears his college hoodie, does vaccine research with the university for vaccines that have been life changing and I’d argue they are all “all that” but each to their own. Top unis open opportunities regardless of whether it’s Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial etc

You are correct that attending a decent university can give you opportunities but it won’t put an amazing career on a plate. To succeed in the world of vaccine research I bet your friend has worked his arse off, and more importantly worked as part of a research team. Hopefully your son will won’t treat future colleagues and staff at university with the same disrespect he has shown for his teachers, but I’m not sure there is much you can do to change that at this stage apart from sharing your concerns with the grandparents - large amounts of money will not help his entitled attitude.

NavyRobin · Today 22:18

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 22:14

Yes you've repeatedly mentioned this example.

If the school believes the student has the capability of a giving those grades they will predict them.

'the specific policy' is simply how schools and universities work.

I still do not think there’s a specific policy but what do I know.

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CrispySquid · Today 22:18

NavyRobin · Today 22:10

Not sure I’d it his just his school but he has a friend who was getting Cs and Ds and his parents managed to convince the school to predict him As so he could at least have a chance at Oxbridge and he managed to get in and will be starting this academic year. I don’t think there is a specific policy every school operates under in terms of predicted grades or a specific criteria for every single student. Each year there’s issues with predicted grades I have friends who have children slightly older than mine and I’ve heard all about their UCAS predicted grades issues

That’s really interesting. I don’t doubt for a minute that parents in private schools put a lot of undue influence and pressure on teachers to up predicted grades!

I teach at a Y7-11 state Secondary School so only teach up to GCSE but my predicted grades are gone through with a fine tooth comb by my department head, head of year and then SLT. I literally have to justify every single grade I give with a large sample size of data to back it up. Everything is scrutinised with rigour.

LostTheGoodScissors · Today 22:19

I hadn’t read that he is autistic. In that case his ability to hold on to a grudge is probably less callous and a bit more about rigidity. I think that info should have been in the OP.

janetcbell · Today 22:19

NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

Getting engineering experience will be very valuable, especially if he is planning to apply to Cambridge, which he will need to do by mid October, with interviews in early December. He will have something to write about and talk about. Your son, being 18 can have access to his savings anyway, so it doesn't really matter where the money goes. But he needs to realise that being at university isn't cheap, especially if he wants to take advantage of all the opportunities it will offer. He should take the student loans available, but he will obviously have extra funds to draw on and shouldn't squander this money before he goes!

babyproblems · Today 22:22

He’s silly to fritter the money away.
I think you’re right that this good fortune is not going to teach him a few life lessons.. what are the chances that he will not work during the gap year and that he’ll just spend the rest of the money..??? That would be my concern. He’d do well to save some for uni and also for house deposit or after university… that’s when the real work begins…

NavyRobin · Today 22:23

usernametaken135 · Today 22:16

You are correct that attending a decent university can give you opportunities but it won’t put an amazing career on a plate. To succeed in the world of vaccine research I bet your friend has worked his arse off, and more importantly worked as part of a research team. Hopefully your son will won’t treat future colleagues and staff at university with the same disrespect he has shown for his teachers, but I’m not sure there is much you can do to change that at this stage apart from sharing your concerns with the grandparents - large amounts of money will not help his entitled attitude.

Yep it is an achievement I think my son will treat his engineering colleagues quite well he has had various different work experiences and they’ve all had good feedback on him enough to ask him to come back multiple times. There is this assumption that he treats people horribly which isn’t the case. This situation with predicted grades is an isolated incident at least from the 18 years I have known him maybe they’ll be more I highly doubt it as he can’t wait to get to university, keep talking about all the engineering techs the various universities have, he’s organised the open days himself and signed up for them himself I don’t think he’ll jeopardise his opportunity he is very very ambitious and knows exactly what he wants to do with his engineering degree knows where he wants to see himself in 5 or 10 years. He has explained his reasons for his behaviour in year 13 we have a discussion about it, we listened to what he had to say, he listened to what we had to say and we will wait and see.

the situation here is mainly his grandparents I cannot stop them from giving him money. We have tried, DH has spoken to them multiple times about it they refuse to listen and say it’s their money they’ll do what they want with it.

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CrispySquid · Today 22:24

Would ABBB not be good enough for some Russell Group Universities in the first instance OP? Did he not want to go to any of these? My partner only needed AAB for Civil Engineering at Durham and I think other RG unis were similar and some even slightly lower. ABB like your son was predicted could have got you into a fine establishment.

NavyRobin · Today 22:26

babyproblems · Today 22:22

He’s silly to fritter the money away.
I think you’re right that this good fortune is not going to teach him a few life lessons.. what are the chances that he will not work during the gap year and that he’ll just spend the rest of the money..??? That would be my concern. He’d do well to save some for uni and also for house deposit or after university… that’s when the real work begins…

He’s going to work ? DH has a small engineering company and he has agreed for our son to work with him and shadow various engineers. There’s also another engineering company that he did work experience with and his manager from there has since been in touch and sent him a card and engineering based gifts as a congratulations on his results. They sadly don’t offer degree apprenticeships otherwise he would have done that but he’s hoping to try and do some more paid work experience with them.

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usernametaken135 · Today 22:31

NavyRobin · Today 22:23

Yep it is an achievement I think my son will treat his engineering colleagues quite well he has had various different work experiences and they’ve all had good feedback on him enough to ask him to come back multiple times. There is this assumption that he treats people horribly which isn’t the case. This situation with predicted grades is an isolated incident at least from the 18 years I have known him maybe they’ll be more I highly doubt it as he can’t wait to get to university, keep talking about all the engineering techs the various universities have, he’s organised the open days himself and signed up for them himself I don’t think he’ll jeopardise his opportunity he is very very ambitious and knows exactly what he wants to do with his engineering degree knows where he wants to see himself in 5 or 10 years. He has explained his reasons for his behaviour in year 13 we have a discussion about it, we listened to what he had to say, he listened to what we had to say and we will wait and see.

the situation here is mainly his grandparents I cannot stop them from giving him money. We have tried, DH has spoken to them multiple times about it they refuse to listen and say it’s their money they’ll do what they want with it.

Ok that’s not so bad, hopefully he will get on well with colleagues and build himself a happy, interesting and productive future.

Whilst the money situation is, in some ways unsavoury, it sounds like you will have no control about the flow of cash so best just try to focus on the positives. All you can hope is that the work ethic you have modeled to him has rubbed off and he learns self sufficiency before the money eventually dries up - unless your in laws are super rich in which case your son may be able to squander money on expensive cars he doesn’t need for his whole life…

NavyRobin · Today 22:31

CrispySquid · Today 22:24

Would ABBB not be good enough for some Russell Group Universities in the first instance OP? Did he not want to go to any of these? My partner only needed AAB for Civil Engineering at Durham and I think other RG unis were similar and some even slightly lower. ABB like your son was predicted could have got you into a fine establishment.

The did not apply to Durham it’s quite far and thought it was too small he did visit though I liked Durham but he did not and he’s the one that’s going to be studying for 4 years. He loved Uni of Sheffield but they required 3As or A*AA can’t quite remember as the typical offer and the course is competitive they even told us when he got in touch with the admissions before applying that engineering was very competitive and they require applicants to meet the entry requirements. Engineering is very popular there especially with their Diamond building that our son loved when he went to the open day, he will be visiting again at least this time he’s met the entry requirements.

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glowfrog · Today 22:37

Well, this thread has turned into quite the humble brag!

AtIusvue · Today 22:37

What a completely pointless thread:

  • My DS has been given £££££s and I’m worried that he’s wasting it. Then proceeds to lecture posters that he’s had various businesses over the years and actually, he is a great saver
  • My DS behaviour is concerning, he faked results and stuck the finger up to his teacher. Then proceeds to tell us what a wonderful son he is and all the great things he does and how his teacher found it funny.
  • My DS is being overindulged and isn’t learning about hard work and believes some jobs are beneath him. Then proceeds to lecture posters that he isn’t being overindulged, all the grandkids are given this money and she won’t be charging rent even though he is in receipt of £££££s because ‘she doesn’t need her sons money’. And here’s me thinking charging rent is actually about teaching your child how real life works.

There seems to be one person in the storyline that perhaps is causing the most problems ……that’s you OP. Failing to acknowledge your DS, quite frankly, disturbing behaviour, failure to parent him in any way shape or form.

At 18, he’s now a man. There’s no changing him now. But it isn’t the grandparents money that did this. It’s lack of parenting, of the precious DS.

But the OP will proceed to tell me how wrong I am and what a wonderful DS he is. THEN WHATS THE POINT OF THE THREAD?!

NavyRobin · Today 22:38

glowfrog · Today 22:37

Well, this thread has turned into quite the humble brag!

Not necessarily but alright. Anytime someone speaks about their own experiences or family issue it’s a humble brag? I didn’t come here to speak horribly about my family dispose having disagreements with in laws about how they go about things.

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NavyRobin · Today 22:42

AtIusvue · Today 22:37

What a completely pointless thread:

  • My DS has been given £££££s and I’m worried that he’s wasting it. Then proceeds to lecture posters that he’s had various businesses over the years and actually, he is a great saver
  • My DS behaviour is concerning, he faked results and stuck the finger up to his teacher. Then proceeds to tell us what a wonderful son he is and all the great things he does and how his teacher found it funny.
  • My DS is being overindulged and isn’t learning about hard work and believes some jobs are beneath him. Then proceeds to lecture posters that he isn’t being overindulged, all the grandkids are given this money and she won’t be charging rent even though he is in receipt of £££££s because ‘she doesn’t need her sons money’. And here’s me thinking charging rent is actually about teaching your child how real life works.

There seems to be one person in the storyline that perhaps is causing the most problems ……that’s you OP. Failing to acknowledge your DS, quite frankly, disturbing behaviour, failure to parent him in any way shape or form.

At 18, he’s now a man. There’s no changing him now. But it isn’t the grandparents money that did this. It’s lack of parenting, of the precious DS.

But the OP will proceed to tell me how wrong I am and what a wonderful DS he is. THEN WHATS THE POINT OF THE THREAD?!

Edited

I haven’t said you’re wrong. I’ve disagreed with those making crazy assumptions to some telling me let’s hope he doesn’t die before uni, saying he’s a reckless driver despite no evidence of that and so on. I am not against anyone making a statement but when it’s loaded with lots of unnecessary assumptions then telling me oh why didn’t I put that in the main post. I’m not exactly going to put that he unloads the dishwasher or that he cleans up after himself, or that he’s had a license since he was 17, black box in his car, and is yet to have any insurance issues of reckless driving. People love to add their own little bits which is not what im going to agree with at all certainly not going to agree with people who can have so much vitriol at an 18 year old I wasn’t perfect at that age I did some sneaky things doesn’t mean I deserve for people to say oh let’s hope she doesn’t die soon based off information that was never even included If you disagree report the post and disengage from it.

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CrispySquid · Today 22:43

NavyRobin · Today 22:31

The did not apply to Durham it’s quite far and thought it was too small he did visit though I liked Durham but he did not and he’s the one that’s going to be studying for 4 years. He loved Uni of Sheffield but they required 3As or A*AA can’t quite remember as the typical offer and the course is competitive they even told us when he got in touch with the admissions before applying that engineering was very competitive and they require applicants to meet the entry requirements. Engineering is very popular there especially with their Diamond building that our son loved when he went to the open day, he will be visiting again at least this time he’s met the entry requirements.

I loved Sheffield when I visited! I ended up at Nottingham (which I didn’t like) just because my (then) boyfriend wanted to go there and I was stupidly in love and didn’t want to be apart. I had Sheffield as my insurance but wish I had picked it for my first choice. I hope your son gets the chance to go if he likes that place! Thought the town was lovely and the people very friendly. They also had great research and job facilities for my science too.

SabrinaThwaite · Today 22:44

NavyRobin · Today 22:16

Yes they’ve known him since he was 4 and he’s always had a good experience with them. One of the teachers that since predicted him a B has left, he left half way through year 13 and many students and parents complained about him during Michaelmas term he was a very new teacher too. Also I am not sure why you’re saying apparently most school know the children that attend from 4 years old my school knew me from nursery till I was 18. You don’t know what fees (I haven’t even said it’s all assumptions) we pay as our children are on scholarships lots of children are on scholarships some can even be on multiple scholarships at the same time.

Scholarships don’t knock much off the fees - it’s not like a bursary is it? So yes, I can guesstimate fees because it’s all publicly available information.

TBH, if your DS was on a scholarship, then his behaviour is even more disappointing.

If your DS was predicted ABBB for UCAS then either this was the level he was working at or you should have been having meetings with the school to understand why it was lower than you thought. In the meantime, your child has been manipulative and disruptive. He’s been saved by his dad offering to employ him on a gap year - which may do him the world of good as he sounds immature, as long as he mucks in and does the work.

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 22:44

glowfrog · Today 22:37

Well, this thread has turned into quite the humble brag!

Hasn't it just!

notquiteruralbliss · Today 22:44

Greenismyfavouritecolournow · Today 22:05

Your children sound lovely too!

They are - and also pretty good at assessing what is / is not a good use of their time.

nothingcangowrongnow · Today 22:46

It’s annoying and a bit weird but he’s clearly clever and perhaps didn’t like the school system. I’d be proud of him, be delighted your husband can offer him a good work experience job and be relieved you have parents in law who can hand out that amount of cash. I def see where you are coming from but overall… this is good news

Anarchy99 · Today 22:48

nothingcangowrongnow · Today 22:46

It’s annoying and a bit weird but he’s clearly clever and perhaps didn’t like the school system. I’d be proud of him, be delighted your husband can offer him a good work experience job and be relieved you have parents in law who can hand out that amount of cash. I def see where you are coming from but overall… this is good news

I think it’s just as well he has parents and grandparents who will chuck money and jobs at him. Most employers wouldn’t take kindly to that attitude