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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

OP posts:
InterIgnis · Today 22:49

AtIusvue · Today 22:37

What a completely pointless thread:

  • My DS has been given £££££s and I’m worried that he’s wasting it. Then proceeds to lecture posters that he’s had various businesses over the years and actually, he is a great saver
  • My DS behaviour is concerning, he faked results and stuck the finger up to his teacher. Then proceeds to tell us what a wonderful son he is and all the great things he does and how his teacher found it funny.
  • My DS is being overindulged and isn’t learning about hard work and believes some jobs are beneath him. Then proceeds to lecture posters that he isn’t being overindulged, all the grandkids are given this money and she won’t be charging rent even though he is in receipt of £££££s because ‘she doesn’t need her sons money’. And here’s me thinking charging rent is actually about teaching your child how real life works.

There seems to be one person in the storyline that perhaps is causing the most problems ……that’s you OP. Failing to acknowledge your DS, quite frankly, disturbing behaviour, failure to parent him in any way shape or form.

At 18, he’s now a man. There’s no changing him now. But it isn’t the grandparents money that did this. It’s lack of parenting, of the precious DS.

But the OP will proceed to tell me how wrong I am and what a wonderful DS he is. THEN WHATS THE POINT OF THE THREAD?!

Edited

The kid seems fine, overall, and is likely to do very well in future. Was he childish over his exam results? Yes, and he apologized for that. Does his immaturity here make him a psychopath or a terrible person? No.

He’s intelligent, financially smart, has his own established income streams already, and knows precisely what he wants in terms of a future career. Has he a privileged life? Yes, and it’s very much a real one. He doesn’t have to cosplay struggling to satisfy anyone else’s notions of ‘fairness’.

NavyRobin · Today 22:52

SabrinaThwaite · Today 22:44

Scholarships don’t knock much off the fees - it’s not like a bursary is it? So yes, I can guesstimate fees because it’s all publicly available information.

TBH, if your DS was on a scholarship, then his behaviour is even more disappointing.

If your DS was predicted ABBB for UCAS then either this was the level he was working at or you should have been having meetings with the school to understand why it was lower than you thought. In the meantime, your child has been manipulative and disruptive. He’s been saved by his dad offering to employ him on a gap year - which may do him the world of good as he sounds immature, as long as he mucks in and does the work.

I am confused you don’t know what subsidies we get from the school. It’s not exactly as though he attends Eton or Harrow these are cheap school with just normal parents not millionaires and billionaires. DHs parents are wealthy but they have never paid any of the fees for our children and they don’t need to as they just go to the local school. The closest school to us just happens to be a private school it’s not a top school by any means we didn’t send our children there for that. We sent them there for extra support you don’t know if my children have any extra needs or anything you’re just making assumptions. 200k fees is far from what we have paid in their time there but I wouldn’t know since you seem to know albeit my husband and I both contribute equal amounts to the fees. You also don’t know what kind of private school it is there is lots of different private schools with different ethos some are even funded by other entities it’s not always just parents paying £200k that you think.

We did have meeting with the school regarding the UCAS predicted grades I have mentioned this right at the start. You are just making assumptions I’ll admit the thread has gone on for a while but I have said this regarding the meeting also regarding his friend who was getting Cs and Ds yet managed to convince the schools to predict him As. Let’s agree to disagree and say that I do not know despite me very much being in touch with the school regarding his ucas application.

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AtIusvue · Today 22:52

NavyRobin · Today 22:42

I haven’t said you’re wrong. I’ve disagreed with those making crazy assumptions to some telling me let’s hope he doesn’t die before uni, saying he’s a reckless driver despite no evidence of that and so on. I am not against anyone making a statement but when it’s loaded with lots of unnecessary assumptions then telling me oh why didn’t I put that in the main post. I’m not exactly going to put that he unloads the dishwasher or that he cleans up after himself, or that he’s had a license since he was 17, black box in his car, and is yet to have any insurance issues of reckless driving. People love to add their own little bits which is not what im going to agree with at all certainly not going to agree with people who can have so much vitriol at an 18 year old I wasn’t perfect at that age I did some sneaky things doesn’t mean I deserve for people to say oh let’s hope she doesn’t die soon based off information that was never even included If you disagree report the post and disengage from it.

You have literally supplied all the info, to contradict yourself. I’m not adding my perspective.

I never mentioned anything about a car or driving.

Your main concern was that you are worried that £££££s is perhaps too much for an 18 year old to handle, then gave the example of him splashing 13k on a car, selling his old one and quitting his Waitrose job. You then go on to say, he’s a great saver and saved 11k between the ages of 14-18 and the job with DH will be good for him.

That’s just one point. What on earth is the point of this thread? You are seemingly very concerned …then immediately proffer new info to contradict what you just said.

But hey, least you’ve got 23 pages of replies out of it.

NavyRobin · Today 22:53

AtIusvue · Today 22:52

You have literally supplied all the info, to contradict yourself. I’m not adding my perspective.

I never mentioned anything about a car or driving.

Your main concern was that you are worried that £££££s is perhaps too much for an 18 year old to handle, then gave the example of him splashing 13k on a car, selling his old one and quitting his Waitrose job. You then go on to say, he’s a great saver and saved 11k between the ages of 14-18 and the job with DH will be good for him.

That’s just one point. What on earth is the point of this thread? You are seemingly very concerned …then immediately proffer new info to contradict what you just said.

But hey, least you’ve got 23 pages of replies out of it.

I can post a thread if I’d like to if you think I have contradicted myself just report the post if that’s not allowed

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Iceandfire92 · Today 22:53

One of the most long winded humble brags I've ever read on here...

AtIusvue · Today 22:58

NavyRobin · Today 22:53

I can post a thread if I’d like to if you think I have contradicted myself just report the post if that’s not allowed

I’m afraid you don’t seem to understand how MN works. You don’t report a poster because they are consistently contradicting themselves.

I notice how you don’t refute the information in my previous post. It is you OP, that has supplied all this odd info. Please try and keep up with yourself.

NavyRobin · Today 22:59

Iceandfire92 · Today 22:53

One of the most long winded humble brags I've ever read on here...

If you think so. I don’t particularly think so there’s people with better lifestyles. I’m poorer in my adult life than I was growing up but such is life. Poorer than my parents at my age DH is certainly poorer than his parents but we don’t complain we just work as hard as we can line everyone else in the country doing their bit to make this lives or their children’s lives better.

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glowfrog · Today 22:59

NavyRobin · Today 22:38

Not necessarily but alright. Anytime someone speaks about their own experiences or family issue it’s a humble brag? I didn’t come here to speak horribly about my family dispose having disagreements with in laws about how they go about things.

Starting a thread to ask if you’re right to be concerned about your son’s behaviour and him potentially getting spoiled then ending up telling us exactly to what degree he’s getting spoiled with his grandparents’ money and also that really he’s fine because his teachers ended up laughing off his behaviour, and his father thought it was funny but then apparently also reprimanded him for it, and why shouldn’t he keep his Waitrose job rather than take a better one at his dad’s and also/actually he or his brother (I honestly can’t keep up!) has made 5k off his business on eBay and gets paid to review cars…

That is not simply “sharing your experience”…

AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?
NavyRobin · Today 23:00

AtIusvue · Today 22:58

I’m afraid you don’t seem to understand how MN works. You don’t report a poster because they are consistently contradicting themselves.

I notice how you don’t refute the information in my previous post. It is you OP, that has supplied all this odd info. Please try and keep up with yourself.

Then I’m not sure what else you’d like if you think I’ve contradicted myself then disengage from the thread if not report it I don’t have any issues with that. I’m just speaking from my own experiences regarding this situation if it’s contradictory then alright

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NavyRobin · Today 23:01

glowfrog · Today 22:59

Starting a thread to ask if you’re right to be concerned about your son’s behaviour and him potentially getting spoiled then ending up telling us exactly to what degree he’s getting spoiled with his grandparents’ money and also that really he’s fine because his teachers ended up laughing off his behaviour, and his father thought it was funny but then apparently also reprimanded him for it, and why shouldn’t he keep his Waitrose job rather than take a better one at his dad’s and also/actually he or his brother (I honestly can’t keep up!) has made 5k off his business on eBay and gets paid to review cars…

That is not simply “sharing your experience”…

Alright well I can only speak from my own experiences not meaning for it to come out that way.

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Booboobagins · Today 23:05

I agree with you its important he learns how to earn his keep, but you cant accuse him of being a slacker when he did so well at A level. I hope he gets on the course he wants and I hope he can work with his dad and earn his keep.

He's 18yo, he will learn. You need to leave him to learn. YABU

Denim4ever · Today 23:06

NavyRobin · Today 10:58

I do not have an issue with him working for his father. I am just disappointed in his behaviour. I want him to have relevant work experience of course but I do think at the moment he has been very spoilt recently and how he has acted towards his teachers

What about how the school treated him? Whist his revenge tactic was a bit extreme, teachers generally know when they have a brilliant scholar.

The engineering experience with his Dad's company sounds good and the grandparental support is useful if it continues when he's at uni.

IdaGlossop · Today 23:08

Anarchy99 · Today 22:48

I think it’s just as well he has parents and grandparents who will chuck money and jobs at him. Most employers wouldn’t take kindly to that attitude

The DS's behaviour and attitudes are learned behaviour down the male line, for three generations at least. DS's grandpa, we learn, would do anything for him and both grandparents have said, when it comes to money, that they will 'do what we like'. DH colludes with his son against the teachers, at a school that is richer to the tune of about £250,000 because of DS, laughing at a gesture to a teacher that he should have been ashamed of, and says 'That'll show them' when DS's grades top the school's predictions.

Children learn from what they see modelled around them. Based on what we have learnt on this thread DS has been given permission to be entitled, arrogant and snobbish, and in OP sees a woman who not only allows all of this to continue but makes excuses for it and shows herself powerless in the face of it.

On the positive side, DS is bright, hard-working, practical and sociable. If Cambridge invites him for interview, which I hope they do, he's going to have to demonstrate just how enthusiastic he is about his chosen branch of engineering (as all applicants will) in a way that is thoughtful, poised and self-reflective. The days are long gone when ntitled rich boys make the cut just because they are entitled and rich, and admissions teams and academics spot them a mile off.

Denim4ever · Today 23:11

As regards driving, if I'd held the view he wasn't working well at school I would definitely not have funded or encouraged driving lessons. There's plenty of tone for that in a gap year or when they can prepare for affording a car after uni.

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 23:11

Denim4ever · Today 23:06

What about how the school treated him? Whist his revenge tactic was a bit extreme, teachers generally know when they have a brilliant scholar.

The engineering experience with his Dad's company sounds good and the grandparental support is useful if it continues when he's at uni.

So you believe an entire school hierarchy - the teachers, the middle management and the head took against this child they've apparently known since he was 4 and it's all been hunky dory before and they decided to fuck with their own results tables and leavers destination lists and deliberately low ball this kid? For what possible reason?

Denim4ever · Today 23:14

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 23:11

So you believe an entire school hierarchy - the teachers, the middle management and the head took against this child they've apparently known since he was 4 and it's all been hunky dory before and they decided to fuck with their own results tables and leavers destination lists and deliberately low ball this kid? For what possible reason?

He was clearly capable of high results so something went wrong with the school. Assume if he's been there since 4 it's an independent school. Often independent schools are not great with individuals with big personalities

Anarchy99 · Today 23:15

NavyRobin · Today 23:01

Alright well I can only speak from my own experiences not meaning for it to come out that way.

That’s why people are judging him harshly - we only have your assessment of his character so that’s all we can judge him on.

From your description of him, he sounds like the typical over privileged, entitled man who knows he can behave how he likes and manipulate people (the thing with the teachers was manipulative) as parents and grandparents will always be on hand with money and jobs.

Of course he will be fine - people like him always are

Anarchy99 · Today 23:16

Denim4ever · Today 23:14

He was clearly capable of high results so something went wrong with the school. Assume if he's been there since 4 it's an independent school. Often independent schools are not great with individuals with big personalities

I’m sure independent schools are full of arrogant kids with big personalities and a huge sense of entitlement.

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 23:20

Denim4ever · Today 23:14

He was clearly capable of high results so something went wrong with the school. Assume if he's been there since 4 it's an independent school. Often independent schools are not great with individuals with big personalities

I'm sorry but that's just rubbish.
No school wants to make work for themselves and no self respecting independent school would ignore a chance for a higher Oxbridge percentage, not in today's market.

It is simply not in the schools interest to downgrade predictions.

NavyRobin · Today 23:20

IdaGlossop · Today 23:08

The DS's behaviour and attitudes are learned behaviour down the male line, for three generations at least. DS's grandpa, we learn, would do anything for him and both grandparents have said, when it comes to money, that they will 'do what we like'. DH colludes with his son against the teachers, at a school that is richer to the tune of about £250,000 because of DS, laughing at a gesture to a teacher that he should have been ashamed of, and says 'That'll show them' when DS's grades top the school's predictions.

Children learn from what they see modelled around them. Based on what we have learnt on this thread DS has been given permission to be entitled, arrogant and snobbish, and in OP sees a woman who not only allows all of this to continue but makes excuses for it and shows herself powerless in the face of it.

On the positive side, DS is bright, hard-working, practical and sociable. If Cambridge invites him for interview, which I hope they do, he's going to have to demonstrate just how enthusiastic he is about his chosen branch of engineering (as all applicants will) in a way that is thoughtful, poised and self-reflective. The days are long gone when ntitled rich boys make the cut just because they are entitled and rich, and admissions teams and academics spot them a mile off.

I think he’ll be able to articulate himself well enough at the interview if he does get one. He is passionate about engineering has sought out various work experiences himself we will just have to see. His heart isn’t set on “Cambridge or nothing” he also liked the diamond at uni of Sheffield age various other universities.

If you think that’s the case then that’s your observation. I am not here to talk badly about my son I’ve said I was not happy with his behaviour, I’ve said it’s a recent occurrence since the ucas predicted grades drama and he had since apologised and explained his reasons DH and I have both explained to him how best to go about situations next time. It’s mostly the money from his grandparents but I cannot control that they are free to do with their money as they wish, they treat all 11 grandchildren the same and our son is now 18 I cannot tell him what do do with the money. He knew about investing as he had a JISA that turned into a normal stocks and shares Isa when he turned 18 we are no longer in control of that account but he has asked his father to help him with picking the equities etc. I’m just not happy about the car when he had a working car but again it’s also not my money. DH spoke to his parents multiple times to tell them not to give that amount of money they said they will do what they want if that makes us weak parents then so be in. I’m not going to cut my son from seeing his grandparents who he is very close with for this at 18 it is difficult to create those boundaries when he was younger it was easier as we just saved the money for him in his accounts now the money goes directly to him as he has access to it. I can’t control that they have a trust for him for when he’s 25. I would have liked for him to know the worth of money in different ways. He knows the worth of money in the sense that he has his own small business etc but I think he thinks everyone is as fortunate as him as those are the types of people he is surrounded by at school. Maybe we should have taken him to a state school but the state school is further away from us than the private school. Either way I didn’t come here to talk bad about my son or necessarily insult him I said I was disappointed in his behaviour or wish for him to suffer as many seem to want. As a parent I’ve never wished for my children to suffer I didn’t suffer my parents wouldn’t have let that happen. Just because someone doesn’t suffer does not mean they will be a horrible person come adulthood people can change he’s been 18 for a couple of months I don’t think he’ll be the same person at 21 I certainly wasn’t.

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lemmein · Today 23:21

I’d assume he was full of it and his predicted grades made him shit himself & pull his finger out. Now it’s worked out he’s pretending it was all part of a great masterplan.

Is your surname Trump? Grin

Flumposie3 · Today 23:24

As a teacher of A level students I find his behaviour horrendous. His teachers would have had to try to justify/ explain his low grades after mocks etc. Causing unnecessary work for them. He sounds awful.

NavyRobin · Today 23:25

Anarchy99 · Today 23:16

I’m sure independent schools are full of arrogant kids with big personalities and a huge sense of entitlement.

What’s with the hate for independent schools. I’m all for the VAT I’ll pay it even if they decided to quadruple it. I wish other children had access to what my children have, my children have extra needs and the school has been very supportive in that especially with our youngest son 16 who wasn’t always the brightest he had his strengths but with the school he’s managed to get very good gcse results not 9s but all 6s and a few 7s and we are so proud of him. This was a child who was getting 4s and 3s and the school has been so supportive of his needs DH cried on results day as our son got s new diagnosis just before year 11 and was in and out of hospital but the school supported us, a three of his teachers came to our house while he was recovering to tutor him and make sure he didn’t fall behind so I have nothing against private schools. A state would have been able to do that too to be honest but I think that would have been a lot of hassle but I do not know neither of my children have ever attended state schools.

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NavyRobin · Today 23:26

lemmein · Today 23:21

I’d assume he was full of it and his predicted grades made him shit himself & pull his finger out. Now it’s worked out he’s pretending it was all part of a great masterplan.

Is your surname Trump? Grin

Yeah I guess so. I don’t really keep up with Trump or American politics much so I do not understand the reference so I’ll go along with it yes that’s our surname.

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ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 23:26

Apart from the absolutely jaw dropping claims on this thread I think what I'm most surprised about is the simple volume of stuff OP has posted!!!