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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

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croydon15 · Today 20:00

NavyRobin · Today 10:58

I do not have an issue with him working for his father. I am just disappointed in his behaviour. I want him to have relevant work experience of course but I do think at the moment he has been very spoilt recently and how he has acted towards his teachers

This - totally agree with you OP, there was no need for him to be so rude to his teacher and too much money to be given to a 18 year old.

SereneJoker · Today 20:06

OP I don’t know if you’ll read this, but my older sister was given a lump sum by her biological grandparents when she was 18, (she was adopted), she spent the money and then continued on spending sprees and got herself into significant debt, she didn’t recognise the value of money, that’s an awful lot of money to give to a young adult.

It is utterly strange what your son did, is there a possibility he cheated? I don’t see what he achieved by doing this, it’s baffling. The only reason I think he did this was sheer spite which makes no sense.
Your husband also seems entitled and he looks down on people, which seems to be passing onto your son and the fact your son put his middle finger up to his head of year is truly disrespectful and even worse his father found it funny, they may be clever and rich in material things, but they certainly lack morals and respect.

I would have to say something OP, I would be having a long chat with my DH and DS. In-fact, I’d be furious and tell the grandparents to put the money into an ISA for his future instead.

Zeborah · Today 20:08

Wow Op you seem to be getting a hard time on here. I for one can understand why your son did what he did, he had what I call a "fuck you" moment, like I'm going to show the teachers what I'm capable of, but in my own way! He sounds driven, ambitious & from what you have said he will go far. I started full time work at 16 having done various weekend jobs from 13. I'm not sure I was expected to do well in life but managed to reach Director level in a fairly big male orientated organization & retire on a comfortable pension age 52. In my view, you just need to be determined, responsible and driven and your son appears to have all those strengths. Oh I also owned a car at 17. Good luck to him in the future!

Weedoormatnomore · Today 20:12

NavyRobin · Today 10:53

I am just shocked at his behaviour, all this time we received emails and phone calls from school saying, he is getting 12% on his tests, saying he doesn't know all the time when asked a question in class, teachers offering to help him as they were confused why he was getting such low results. Then at home DH and I see him revising all the time and sticking to a routine, every Saturday he was going to the library for 8 hours, we had his location and were telling the school that he was revising. Turns out he was pretending at school all because his teachers did not want to predict him A stars to apply for Cambridge. The we were having to go to meetings at the school. Now results day his head of year was confused and he goes over to him and laughs in his face and puts his middle finger up at him. DH found it funny and was encouraging him. He scored the highest in his year group for his Maths A Levels and now the school has to put his name up, DH then says in the car 'that'll teach them' The whole year he was pretending to be stupid at school on purpose. I just do not understand what goes on in a 17-18 year olds mind. Yes he was not predicted great results but in the end we accepted that and told him to just work hard but he decided to act like this instead

I would be really annoyed so he didnt care about your time having to deal with teachers etc. He stuck his finger up at the head of year and laughed in his face. All because he was not happy with his predicted grades. Sounds like a spoilt brat with a lot of growing up to do.

NavyRobin · Today 20:12

IdaGlossop · Today 18:56

Oxford and Cambridge don't participate in clearing.

Which is why I said certainly not Cambridge.

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NavyRobin · Today 20:14

GlobalTravellerbutespeciallyBognor · Today 19:06

This reminds me of a recent thread about an attractive and talented boy who was accused of inappropriate behaviour towards girls. I can’t recall the exact details but it went on for about forty pages and the writing of the OP is very similar. Not the same boy, is it, but with a different problem?

I am confused this is my first post here regarding my son as far as I know I’m not sure what that post is I have not seen it

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NavyRobin · Today 20:17

SereneJoker · Today 20:06

OP I don’t know if you’ll read this, but my older sister was given a lump sum by her biological grandparents when she was 18, (she was adopted), she spent the money and then continued on spending sprees and got herself into significant debt, she didn’t recognise the value of money, that’s an awful lot of money to give to a young adult.

It is utterly strange what your son did, is there a possibility he cheated? I don’t see what he achieved by doing this, it’s baffling. The only reason I think he did this was sheer spite which makes no sense.
Your husband also seems entitled and he looks down on people, which seems to be passing onto your son and the fact your son put his middle finger up to his head of year is truly disrespectful and even worse his father found it funny, they may be clever and rich in material things, but they certainly lack morals and respect.

I would have to say something OP, I would be having a long chat with my DH and DS. In-fact, I’d be furious and tell the grandparents to put the money into an ISA for his future instead.

I doubt he cheated why would he cheat when the past papers me and DH saw him do at home he was doing very well on. He did timed ones with DH and DH was marking the extra past papers he was doing as those are the same subject he did. We have had a chat with him he’s apologised for his behaviour. We sadly cannot tell his grandparents what to do DH and I have both tried they’d told us to stop telling them what to do and quite frankly they’re in their 80s I do not think they’ll listen to us.

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MandemChickenShop · Today 20:17

Aleveldilemma · Today 11:05

He put his middle finger up at his head of year and your DH encouraged that?

Forget all the other stuff - I’d be tackling that first. What twatty behaviour!

doesn't sound at all believable in my opinion

Lovetoplan · Today 20:18

I feel from what you have said that he should be encouraged to aim high. Yes some kids really need to get a job in a supermarket to earn some cash but you are in the fortunate position that yours does not. Great idea for him to work for Dad if he can get exposure to some clever people and learn how business is done. This is very valuable. Let him fly.

NavyRobin · Today 20:18

HopAroundLikeKangaroos · Today 19:12

Sorry if I’ve missed this - was education private and did the grandparents pay for that too?

DH and I paid for his education by ourselves not his grandparents.

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ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 20:19

NavyRobin · Today 20:17

I doubt he cheated why would he cheat when the past papers me and DH saw him do at home he was doing very well on. He did timed ones with DH and DH was marking the extra past papers he was doing as those are the same subject he did. We have had a chat with him he’s apologised for his behaviour. We sadly cannot tell his grandparents what to do DH and I have both tried they’d told us to stop telling them what to do and quite frankly they’re in their 80s I do not think they’ll listen to us.

But you said you were surprised by his results?

This doesn't make any sense!!

NavyRobin · Today 20:19

MandemChickenShop · Today 20:17

doesn't sound at all believable in my opinion

Then report it if it’s not believable not sure what you want me to say I can only confirm what I saw as I was there.

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Neverendingtea25 · Today 20:20

I do understand your feelings OP. But I'd say he was completely let down by his school with his predicted grades. He might not have handled it in the best way, but his determination to prove them wrong is a strength. He could have been completely disheartened by the predictions and believed them. Instead he believed in himself and has proved to himself with hard work he can achieve. I hope everything works out.

NavyRobin · Today 20:22

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 20:19

But you said you were surprised by his results?

This doesn't make any sense!!

Yes because he wasn’t getting A stars every single past paper. As well the results are based on grade boundaries and how the other A level students across the country, grade boundaries shift every year he was even surprised he only expected 2 A stars as the other exams didn’t go as well as he hoped but I think he was just stressed. Not sure if you saw but there were issues with the A level maths paper on a specific exam board reported everywhere and even people were signing stuff before results even came out.

If you don’t think I’m making sense you’re able to just ignore I’m not forcing you to understand or make sense of it all just explaining if you don’t like my own explanation based on my experiences then you’re allowed to ignore the thread

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CrispySquid · Today 20:23

But the OP has specifically said the teachers didn’t do anything wrong nor acted maliciously or predicted a low grade for no reason to be spiteful. OP said in her posts the teachers went out of their way to support him/interventions/have parents in schools for meetings to help with his attainment.

OP said her son deliberately “threw” his tests to get scores like 12% in order to deliberately give the teacher the perception he was a low attainer than he actually was. The teacher had no choice but to base his predicted grades on the only measurable metric she could - his test scores. Just like a scientist can only base their conclusion on the results obtained from their sample size and a Dr can only diagnose from the symptoms a patient reports and experiences. This wasn’t a case of a student scoring highly continuously (or even once?) and a teacher maliciously lowering their grade.

And all he has done is fucked over himself as his predicted grades couldn’t get him into the top unis he wanted so I’m utterly curious about this “mastermind genius plan” posters are saying. It seems like the utter opposite of that to me.

OtterMummy2024 · Today 20:34

If he's applying for Engineering at Cambridge, he absolutely needs to spend his gap year at an engineering firm if he possibly can.

Diamondwindow · Today 20:39

I totally understand where you are coming from. You’re worried about him becoming entitled and I think you are right to be concerned. I had a friend who was gifted about 30k when he was 18 as were his two siblings. It didn’t do them any good at all. No idea about the value of money or hard work. They’re all late thirties/early forties now and things did not pan out well. One of them got completely exploited by his ‘friends’ and eneded up paying for holidays and all their drugs. That money will go in a year and I’m not sure anything productive will be learned! Thing about working in a supermarket is that you just learn to work in real life, meet real people from all aspects of the community , not just the industry bubble. That’s important life experience. Bit sounds like that’s not happening- what about volunteering somewhere? Like a food bank or with kids or something so he uses this gap year to see what the real world is like for real people, not just a world where you are rewarded with tens of thousands of pounds …

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · Today 20:44

I think the working in a related field is a good idea. It’s also not a bad idea to do some travelling during that year if he wants to.

However I agree that his attitude is awful. No one is “better than” a particular job - they might have a different skill set or area of interest, or more opportunities, but “better than” is a terrible attitude.

I also agree re the money. There’ll be times in his life when £44k might be really useful to him - but now isn’t one of them!

Cloverroll · Today 20:45

OP, I get what you're saying. It was a bit odd that when given predicted grades that he didn't like, he chose to deliberately get low grades at school while secretly ensuring he'd ace the actual exams. Why not just ask the teachers to re-assess after another test/mock and show them that he could indeed do really well, thereby allowing the school to upgrade his predictions? Then he could have applied to, and got offers from the unis he actually wants. But he's kind of cut his own nose off to spite his teachers. The middle finger thing to the teacher is actually really unpleasant.

But he's a lucky man because he can just get given a great gap year job, and get more cash given to him at 18 than some of us manage to save in a lifetime. And some people do indeed breeze through life like this, never ever needing to stand on their own two feet. Nothing bad ever happens to them; there is no karma and life is not fair.

All you can do is try to watch for this slightly strange way of approaching things (the secret studying and deliberate messing up at school to spite teachers who he felt had under-estimated him) and teach him a nicer way to behave.

Dorothyperky · Today 20:52

oP is he sen? My DD is. She's the high IQ one.

I still stand by my post. They grow up boys especially.

TheJuryIsOut · Today 20:59

Totally with you op, his attitude is absolutely disgusting. I'd be so annoyed with DH too in this scenario. He will probably trip up at some point but at 18 there's very little way of you controlling what happens anymore. As much as it'll pain you I think you're just going to have to let this run it's course and hope he grows up. But unfortunately if he's anything like his father his attitude won't change.

NavyRobin · Today 21:02

Dorothyperky · Today 20:52

oP is he sen? My DD is. She's the high IQ one.

I still stand by my post. They grow up boys especially.

He isn’t neurotypical has been diagnosed since he was 11

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Franpie · Today 21:06

The more you post, the more I don’t understand why you’re concerned about your DS.

He knows how to work hard, he knows how to earn money, he is well connected, driven, popular, clever, wealthy, county level sportsman and has a clear idea of what he wants to do with his life.

I get it OP. It’s hard to not raise arrogant, entitled little brats when the family has money and everything comes very easy to your kids but in some cases, it is unavoidable. It can also be quite useful as it gives them the confidence to fly the nest and go for new opportunities.

At some point in their lives they will have a few knock backs. Maybe they’ll get made redundant, maybe their heart will get broken, maybe they’ll end up in a toxic workplace. But life will be thrown at them and their youthful arrogance will wear off.

You should just be proud and also relieved you don’t have anything more serious to worry about.

NavyRobin · Today 21:07

The whole thing about him doing drugs??? I am confused why some of you think every 18 year old does drugs my son is very particular. I remember he told us last year how his friend started vaping and saying he doesn’t want to be near him when he vapes, son takes his health and sport very seriously, runs weekly, gym, swimming he’s even been teaching me on weights at the gym I very much doubt he’s taking drugs or even smoking, complains when he walks past someone smoking and hates second hand smoke, went cycling with his dad around the Canary Islands etc I know he drinks but outside of that there’s nothing he’s done that would make me think he takes drugs. I think people seem to like making assumptions and also getting annoyed if someone doesn’t put every single information but then if I did most would say the original post has too much unnecessary information. Same with some saying oh he probs doesn’t do housework etc I’ve said he helped out with chores but because I didn’t put it in the original post then it’s not true. You push the goal post every time on what’s acceptable to post each time. If you disagree with the post you are able to not read it it’s not being forced on anyone.

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NavyRobin · Today 21:10

One even said let’s hope he doesn’t die before uni ?? Like people here can be a little insane. The comment was deleted by MN I didn’t even report it I chose to just ignore it. I’m guessing someone saw it and reported or MN just deleted it now sure. It’s just insane some of the responses

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