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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

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buymeaboaanddrivemetoreno · Today 18:46

To be honest, I think with what he did at school he’ll be a leader! I think you should speak to your husband though to ensure he’s setting expectations of him at work so he knows what an office is. He should have to follow a hierarchy as well, not reporting directly to dad.

WiltedLettuce · Today 18:51

From your posts, OP, he reminds me of a few boys I knew at school/university. Of the ones I still know about, they're generally doing quite well professionally/financially but are less happy in their personal lives.

IdaGlossop · Today 18:56

NavyRobin · Today 18:41

On results day he called the universities to see if there were any places as he met the requirements but it’s quite rare for engineering to go into clearing for home students at unis like imperial, uni of bath and certainly not Cambridge, he’s the one that’s been in touch with the unis via email he has shown us the emails before he’s sent them. I don’t see anything wrong with these.

Oxford and Cambridge don't participate in clearing.

Deadlykitten · Today 18:59

why did they not predict him the grades he was obviously capable for ? like i get that when he started pretending they would of predicted bad grades but what prompted them to grade him lower in the first place?

Robogob · Today 19:01

I think the act he put on at school is a bit creepy. It’s like something a psychopath would do in a movie.

GlobalTravellerbutespeciallyBognor · Today 19:06

This reminds me of a recent thread about an attractive and talented boy who was accused of inappropriate behaviour towards girls. I can’t recall the exact details but it went on for about forty pages and the writing of the OP is very similar. Not the same boy, is it, but with a different problem?

cheeseomelette · Today 19:08

I totally understand your concerns. It’s horrible, arrogant, over privileged behaviour but your dh is equally to blame for encouraging and enabling this. It sounds as though he has grown up in privilege himself.

The rudeness to the head of year on results day is inexcusable. I’d be so ashamed if one of mine behaved like that. So disrespectful.

i don’t know what I’d actually advise here as I would be furious about the behaviour and wouldn’t be particularly keen to be around any of them tbh.

Anarchy99 · Today 19:11

cheeseomelette · Today 19:08

I totally understand your concerns. It’s horrible, arrogant, over privileged behaviour but your dh is equally to blame for encouraging and enabling this. It sounds as though he has grown up in privilege himself.

The rudeness to the head of year on results day is inexcusable. I’d be so ashamed if one of mine behaved like that. So disrespectful.

i don’t know what I’d actually advise here as I would be furious about the behaviour and wouldn’t be particularly keen to be around any of them tbh.

This is what happens when boys grow up with little prince syndrome. As a pp said, it’s like something a psychopath would do

HopAroundLikeKangaroos · Today 19:12

Sorry if I’ve missed this - was education private and did the grandparents pay for that too?

Oooohthatsfancy · Today 19:13

He didn’t cheat did he?? Only joking.
A gap year may give him the time to mature.
Advise him to invest in S&S ISAs.
Compound interest is a wonderful thing.
Good luck to him.

Busybeemumm · Today 19:14

I agree with you OP. The money should have been ring fenced some how as it could be a deposit for a flat etc. Instead it's been fritted away. He isn't mature enough for this and your description of him putting up his middle finger at teachers sums up his appalling attitude.

alcovecupboards · Today 19:17

IdaGlossop · Today 18:56

Oxford and Cambridge don't participate in clearing.

Probably why she said "certainly not Cambridge" then, isn't it?

HarlanCobenDogshit · Today 19:22

Sounds like you DH is encouraging this poor behaivour. He sounds like a right horror.

Life has a way of biting people on the arse. It will come.

alcovecupboards · Today 19:22

AstonCanKissMyArse · Today 18:28

Its not a 'final gesture' as he'll probably want a reference from them for his uni applications.

Its not only horribly rude, it was embarrassing for his poor mother and showed him to be an arrogant young man with little self control and poor judgement.

I can't get my head around a grown adult thinking this behaviour was OK or worse, admirable in some way.

Still,you do you, as they say.

Perhaps if you'd had to deal with a teacher playing games with your son's grades and work out of nothing but bigoted malice, you'd have a different view. It certainly opened my eyes, I can tell you.

Teffe · Today 19:31

@NavyRobin i think you have a parent in law problem - that was not good them telling you not to tell them what to do (that didn’t make much sense but I hope you get my drift!).

My PIL tried to to the same with our dc and we said no (for the reasons you outlined), they listened to us, and gave us the money instead. We have saved it.

As for the JISA / CTF yes it is legally theirs but in the run up to age 18 we got our wealth manager to take control of it. Dc were told yes they are the legal owner but they don’t control it and can’t access it for any reason other than a house deposit (it’s about £40k). we told this to them over and over from age 16 and they have gone along with it.

i believe everything you’ve written. I think some posters aren’t familiar with big all through private schools and what they (and some of the kids) are like!!

FrippEnos · Today 19:32

NavyRobin

I would be more concerned about his reaction to the teachers than his grades.

I hope that he matures and does well.

And just as a word to the wise, we have just let a graduate go as they thought that they knew better than everyone else and messed about during their time with various departments within the company and refused to work.

Lovebombednotloved · Today 19:32

He’s done very well in his exams, although the antics at school suggest a certain immaturity. He’s allowed to be a little bit immature, he’s only 18 ….but if he wants to go to Cambridge or Bath, it won’t hurt to remind him, that he will be surrounded by other academically gifted students, infact, they will all be clever kids. It’s important to wear one’s gifts lightly and whilst everyone is delighted at his results, it’s the start of the rest of his life and he should remember the old adage ‘if you are any bloody good, other people sing your praises’.
As regards the money issue, it’s a very considerable sum, but given that you are his mother, and he still lives at home, there should be respect for your values, and the values you are trying to teach him. One of those values being to respect money and to use it wisely. Grandparents ‘spoiling’ him with say £5k is one thing, but over £40k and all because he has fulfilled his potential at school, is IMO completely over the top. If they’d put it to one side for when he has graduated, as a deposit for a home etc….well that would make sense, the largesse isnt going to be the experience of other students. What are they going to do if he graduates with a first or a third class degree? Your hubby sounds a bit too keen to delight in his son’s success, is he a humble man or a bit of a show off? Your son has along way to go before he graduates, possibly completes a masters or secures his ‘dream’ job. You sound a very level headed and caring Mum, well done.

Throwawaygh · Today 19:32

Both your son and husband sound like narcissists/ psychopaths, it feels a bit like a villain origin story…
That said, I wouldn’t insist on his working at Waitrose and having engineering on his CV at a young age will definitely prove better for future prospects. I’m sure at some point he’ll be taken down a peg or two (I’ve enjoyed doing so to several engineers in my time) and hopefully he’ll learn to be humble and less Machiavellian at some point.

Dorothyperky · Today 19:36

IdaGlossop · Today 18:56

Oxford and Cambridge don't participate in clearing.

No they don't but you can see online how many places are available today at each college (my daughter has just applied late!).

Fizzink38 · Today 19:37

MojoMoon · Today 16:54

He should be taking some of that money and going off to see the world for at least six months and grow up a bit.
Not just live at home with his mum doing his laundry while he works with his dad.

Go travel round South America or something. Climb a mountain, do a trek. Look after himself.

By the time we get to the end of the thread, he will have...

IdaGlossop · Today 19:38

Dorothyperky · Today 19:36

No they don't but you can see online how many places are available today at each college (my daughter has just applied late!).

Good luck to your daughter!

bafta16 · Today 19:45

I hope he stays safe. That's an awful lot of money.

Pearlss · Today 19:48

I find your OP difficult to read because that amount of money would genuinely change my life and lift me out of poverty yet your son is frittering it away.
He sounds incredibly spoilt.

cookingonwine · Today 19:56

I think your son is a pure genius! And I loved the game he played without telling others!

maybe get excited about him applying for universities and book some visits and drop in the costs etc … and how he is going to budget.

i do understand your concerns but kick loose and lend into it … your son will be fine!

Dorothyperky · Today 19:57

OP @NavyRobin your son is immature but obviously very bright. I was told in year 11 I would work in Tesco, I went to Oxford, twice!
I hated school but loved university.
I went to my reunion in a Mercedes s class. I was a millionaire at 33.
I chose private education for my children. My son was to be an only child. My parents indulged him. Private school, Sports fees, toys twice weekly. He was the youngest of the clan. The boy wonder. He excelled. GB sportsman, county cricketer and a bloody pain in the arse!
He left home at 21 but came back at 24, he was awful. However he met a lovely girl, grew up and is now a thoughtful kind man (he nursed me through life threatening illness).
He's bought his own home and time has been great for him. Their brain is not developed until 25!
My daughter had her own issues, predicted 9 A*s, didn't get anything like that. She has an IQ of 163. Genius level. She did get 89% in years 1& 2 of her BA but has paused her study. I'm frustrated but there are valid health reasons for her apathy. They grow up OP. As long as they're safe ( I tell my daughter she's wiping my arse if she doesn't go back to university). She laughs. They will be middle aged soon enough and chosing your nursing home. Your DH needs to mature too!

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