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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

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Notonthestairs · Today 13:47

Predicted results are based on previous test scores and class engagement. They aren’t plucked from nowhere.

Sounds like he soft pedalled 6th Form.
Was upset/jolted by his predicted grades. Then pulled out the stops for the exams.

So far so standard.

But the strange persecution complex and the lying would sit very uncomfortably for me.

The job with your husband will only be helpful if he’s treated as an employee, not given special status. Mixing with a range of people beyond your usual experience is helpful.

The money from your in-laws was unhelpful. It will be wasted. But maybe he will eventually learn from that.

NavyRobin · Today 13:49

Aquasoap · Today 13:46

So why write a thread describing your son's idiotic behaviour and then be offended by people saying his behaviour is idiotic?

I never said I was happy with his behaviour. I think we you are making assumptions, you are free to not engage with the thread. The poster was saying he thinks he is the smartest I said I do not think that because I like to think I know him and based on previous conversations on him saying he needs to keep up with the content before first year that to me suggests he knows he is not the smartest, lots of kids are doing exactly what he is doing. His best friend is off to oxford for engineering and has already been working through first year content even before A Level results day.

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SweetnsourNZ · Today 13:51

OhJacintaWhatNow · Today 11:07

Hang on, his attitude absolutely stinks. He's been an absolute brat at school, and has been incredibly rude to his headteacher because they didn't think he was as great as he thought himself to be. Perhaps he wasn't at that point, and the more grades spurred him on.

For me, the biggest thing would be the gap between who he had presented himself to be to the school for the last year and who he was. That's a whole double life. That level of deception - ugh.

Hopefully his grandparents can continue to keep him in the luxury to which he's becoming accustomed. Going to work as the boss's son - yeah, that'll keep him humble...

Totally get why you're upset.

For an eighteen year old to hold such a false position all year I would seriously worry that he is a psychopathic narcissist. His behaviour and attitude certainly points that way. Being spoilt by the gps isn't helping either.
Most gps wouldn't dream of giving money like that to an 18 year old without serious consultation with the parents. It's just about respect if nothing else.

Random321 · Today 13:52

NavyRobin · Today 13:17

No not really they are very different in fact

Your husband told him certain jobs are beneath him.

Your husband encourage his behaviour towars his teacher and found it funny.

Your child is arrogant & poorly behaved as is yoir husband.

He didn't lick his attitude off a stone!

AndImVictoriaMalcolm · Today 13:52

I agree with you about all the money that has been handed to him recently- that’s insane. I can understand why he’s jacked in the supermarket job in favour for working for his daddy- especially when daddy is constantly blowing smoke up his arse telling him how clever he is.

The grades thing has me stumped. The school didn’t do anything wrong with their prediction of his grades and it’s great that your son studied so hard and it paid off and he did even better than predicted. I don’t understand why your husband thought it served the school right. Is he usually so stupid? It’s no wonder your son is being a bit of a dickhead when his father is setting him that kind of example.

MsPrufrockk · Today 13:53

NavyRobin · Today 13:12

He lives at home with us ? why would he pay for food when the food is already in the house, he just eats what we all eat. he has offered to pay whilst he is working dh and I have agreed but we will just put it in account for him and give it to him later on. Personally I don't need my son's money.

"Personally I don't need my son's money" 😂

Well I can't understand where your son gets his sense of entitlement from. Certainly not from you and his dad and his grandparents...

MajorProcrastination · Today 13:53

I was merrily reading along until the £34k THIRTY FOUR THOUSAND? As in an annual salary?! Insane! What a lucky person.

Reads on.... oh wait, another TEN K?!?!?! the actual fuck?!!?! To an 18 year old? Wait while I just weep into my tea. FFS.

I got exceptional A level results and no one gave me £44k because no one I knows has £44k to give. I had my holiday to Magaluf paid for so I could use the money I'd saved as spending and for uni.

Yes, the engineering job will be more useful for him than the Waitrose one. I worked in my Dad's office during my uni holidays and the software I used was the foot in the door I needed for my first job post-uni and it was SFA to do with my course or the sector I work in. But the bar work I did during uni also helped, the volunteering I did, the whole shebang.

Context wise, I also have an 18 year old. He got a couple of hundred Euros from me and my parents for holiday spending and a meal out in a local pizza restaurant. He's soon starting a degree apprenticeship so he has no student debt and he's learning on the job. The joy of Engineering is that there are these kind of options out there. This will make a huge difference to my 18 year old financially as he won't have the financial support from family that your son has with regards to house deposits etc.

Car wise too, my 18 year old shares my third hand little run about.

Look, your child is bright and very fortunate, he has the world handed to him on a plate. The best that you can do, and I think you will anyway as I get the impression that your values are about equity and effort, is to have conversations with him about his privileges and how many other people don't have these ways of removing barriers and opening doors.

I also see your fear that an 18 year old will spaff away the money when a 30 year old could use that for a home deposit or IVF or investment or the trip of a lifetime or a career break or an extension or whatever.

My 18 year old is a voracious saver and has specifically chosen his training, education, work experience and career ambitions on financial security and no loans. I think this is probably in response to us not having the financial buffer zone to bail him out and his desire for more security, financial responsibility, and self reliance.

It doesn't mean that both our boys can't be successful, I just think they both benefit from knowing that other people can be in very different situations, even if they've ended up with the same A level grades and the same university degrees, one will have barriers the other doesn't, and one will have the connections and the headstarts that the other doesn't.

Sounds like your DH could do with understanding that you can show pride in ways other than huge monetary gifts.

pimplebum · Today 13:54

34k is a student flat deposit !!!!!

mental to give that sort of money to a teen

NavyRobin · Today 13:56

Random321 · Today 13:52

Your husband told him certain jobs are beneath him.

Your husband encourage his behaviour towars his teacher and found it funny.

Your child is arrogant & poorly behaved as is yoir husband.

He didn't lick his attitude off a stone!

I feel like I know my husband and my son and how different they are but maybe I am wrong then since its a reoccurring joke within the extended family at how different they are. He told him to apologise and spoke to him about it nothing can be done now and the head of year accepted his apology. He has had a good track record at the school up until UCAS predicted grade fiasco they are willing to give him another chance because they have known him at the school since he was 4 years old. I too laughed as I told the teachers he was revising at home and is probably just acting out, they refused to believe us and even said that we are lying about him doing past papers etc

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SweetnsourNZ · Today 13:56

NavyRobin · Today 12:33

No one is saying he will have a bright future but the grades will open doors at least for university and it is up to him. His cousin struggled in first year of A Levels and was predicted Bs and Cs and school refused to just predict him As for the sake of it (understably) so he decided to not apply to uni and take a gap year. On results day he achieved 3 A stars and applied to Oxford and got in despite his year 12 mocks and tests being Bs and Cs and graduated at Oxford with a first this year, started his graduate job in the civil service fast stream so it seemed to work out for him and push him.

People change between 17 - 21. I want to give him grace because this was not his typical behaviour, he is a bright kid with lots of potential and we have told him the attitude will not get him far if he continues.

You say "we" yet your dh laughed at his behaviour towards the head.

Sally2791 · Today 13:57

YANBU. Especially the money part, should have gone into a trust fund. He sounds a bit arrogant which isn’t being helped by his dad.

allthingsinmoderation · Today 13:58

NavyRobin · Today 13:16

I am sure he knows he will not be the smartest at university, he has already started looked at first year content and wants to spend his gap year learning too. I think you have the wrong impression on my son whom you do not know. I am not happy with his behaviour but then again at 18 I did much worse at school and changed a lot between 17 to 20 I am willing to give him grace considering I know him, his work ethic and what he is capable to achieving. He wants to work for his dad because he wants to learn, he has had previous work experiences at engineering firms and they had nothing but good things to say about him enough to even contact him again for more paid work experience.

He was upset at his teachers for allowing other boys to have higher achieved grades but would not let him. He chose to go about it the wrong way but I am willing to see how he is on his gap year before writing my own son off.

He's bright but immature....
Perhaps this will be a learning experience and he will reflect on wether his immature behaviour when he didnt get what he wanted from his teachers was best for him?
I would ask him if on reflection he thinks he could have handled the issue of his teachers predicting him lower grades ? Why does he think he was predicted lower grades, was there sometime about his performance ,attiudes or behaviour that may have influenced the low predictions?Did he discuss the predictions with his teachers at the time and did you ask for clarification on his low grade predictions at the time?
My guess is he will grow up....

NavyRobin · Today 13:58

MsPrufrockk · Today 13:53

"Personally I don't need my son's money" 😂

Well I can't understand where your son gets his sense of entitlement from. Certainly not from you and his dad and his grandparents...

Why would I want my own child's money ?

He offered to pay we have agreed but we will just put the money into an account for him. My parents did the same when I first finished uni, I paid rent but then when I moved to London for work they just gave me the money back and said the exact same thing 'we don't need our own child's money'

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jay55 · Today 14:00

I think blowing through money is something that usually gives its own lesson. Unfortunately his grandparents will be replenishing it at 25 and he knows this so isn’t worried.

But also blowing off steam post a levels is no bad thing. Especially if he is aiming for a demanding degree.

He’s clearly not workshy in general, working for those grades and having the Waitrose job. Give him time and he’ll likely be fine.

NavyRobin · Today 14:00

SweetnsourNZ · Today 13:56

You say "we" yet your dh laughed at his behaviour towards the head.

His head of year found it funny anyway, we spoke to him about it and he has since apologised. He is quite close to his head of year and he likes him and knows his character and knows all about the UCAS situation as he was advising us.

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Notonthestairs · Today 14:00

NavyRobin · Today 13:56

I feel like I know my husband and my son and how different they are but maybe I am wrong then since its a reoccurring joke within the extended family at how different they are. He told him to apologise and spoke to him about it nothing can be done now and the head of year accepted his apology. He has had a good track record at the school up until UCAS predicted grade fiasco they are willing to give him another chance because they have known him at the school since he was 4 years old. I too laughed as I told the teachers he was revising at home and is probably just acting out, they refused to believe us and even said that we are lying about him doing past papers etc

so the teachers were told he was revising 8 hours every Saturday but he was scoring 12% on exams.
You can see why they’d be confused.

InterIgnis · Today 14:09

NavyRobin · Today 13:56

I feel like I know my husband and my son and how different they are but maybe I am wrong then since its a reoccurring joke within the extended family at how different they are. He told him to apologise and spoke to him about it nothing can be done now and the head of year accepted his apology. He has had a good track record at the school up until UCAS predicted grade fiasco they are willing to give him another chance because they have known him at the school since he was 4 years old. I too laughed as I told the teachers he was revising at home and is probably just acting out, they refused to believe us and even said that we are lying about him doing past papers etc

OP, your family is a wealthy one, your son is privileged and unlikely to struggle (and good for him, and indeed you all!). For some posters it wouldn’t and doesn’t matter that you know him to be a good person 99.9% of the time, any aberrant behaviour will be seized on as proof that he’s a psychopathic cartoon villain.

Nightingaille · Today 14:11

Why didn't the grandparents offer to pay his university tuition fees instead of gifting him such a large amount of money?

HeyThereDelila · Today 14:12

YANBU, being handed all that money is insane and would’ve been better kept for uni or invested for a house deposit.

Working for your DH is fine though provided he works hard and it is related to the degree.

deveronvalley · Today 14:14

The job thing is fine - we run a construction company and have given my DSS a leg up that way, he had a couple of minimum wage retail and hospitality jobs that didnt work out (!) but he got some experience with us and moved on to better things. The money from the in laws is pretty wild though. How the other half live!

Northernladdette · Today 14:18

So his silly game playing has turned around and bitten him on the bum? Silly boy. He sounds very immature 😳

DangerousAlchemy · Today 14:22

Aleveldilemma · Today 11:05

He put his middle finger up at his head of year and your DH encouraged that?

Forget all the other stuff - I’d be tackling that first. What twatty behaviour!

100% agree with this. That is not normal behaviour at all. Very odd. The money is a separate issue. He could use it to put down a decent deposit on his 1st property but instead he is frittering it away. He could use it to pay for his degree rather than getting out student loans. My daughter got 3 x A* four years ago and had to work bloody hard to graduate with a 1st in Chemistry this summer. Good A Levels are just the next step to getting the career he wants. With that sort of attitude I wouldn't be hiring him. OP needs to be having a word with the dad & grandparents. Already sounds like he's an entitled brat!

themarvelofmarvels · Today 14:24

YANBU apart from the job. If he wants to go into engineering then working for his dad's firm would be the best thing to do.

If he is working then you should be taking rent from him, £100 a week if he is working full time. He needs to start to learn the value of money and paying his own way before he goes to Uni.

If he has had all of this money, then you and DH need to make it clear to him that you will not be funding his university years if he blows all his money. He has enough to be able to fend for himself.

Could he get an engineering apprenticeship at DH's firm or another firm and do Uni that way and earn while he learns?

Awkwardisfunny · Today 14:24

You're not being unreasonable. Sounds like he already displays spoiled behaviour (sorry) and doesn't sound like he will ever need to 'see what he's made of'. I.e. go through challenges to shape his mind and grow in ways you can't when everything comes easy.

Maybe at age 30 or 40 he could have been gifted those things but the early years need to be about exploration, hard work and building character. I actually think it's neglectful / abusive not to give children / young people access to adversity or opportunities to struggle and react. Test yourself and so on. But, it could be worse.

If you can do something about it then do, otherwise, not sure any point in worrying about it.

BuildbyNumbere · Today 14:25

Agree with the working for Dad as any engineering experience will help his application.
The money, ridiculous. Should have been put into savings for uni or a mortgage deposit … an 18 year old will just spend it, GPs should have spoken with you to agree the best thing to do with it.