AIBU to be deeply concerned about the sheer number of unchecked undocumented unknown men coming into the UK?

[CoventryCity]

This is some dystopian lord of the flies hell. Those poor women. Burned on the boat. Wth. Poor man stabbed to death. Why are the people that did this then going to be roaming free in the UK? Why are they allowed to enter the UK in the first place? Why are gangs not being 'smashed'?

Why won't the government tell us the truth about their crime rates?

AIBU to be deeply concerned about the sheer number of unchecked undocumented unknown men coming into the UK.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2243693/english-channel-small-boat-migrant-dies

The issue is the public pressure is there but the politicians currently do not have the mandate to do anything other than to see what we are - which is increased risk and chaos.

It will keep being an issue because of the stalling and soundbite slogans which can’t do as they pledge.

@gp100 ”"The sheer number".... pretty vauge. As a percentage of the UK population if all the boats were full of criminals (they are not) and if you say that the same rate went on for 10 years (it won't as it is decreasing, in fact falling so it is falling off a cliff) it would amount to 0.037143% of the uk population. So in other words 1/30th of 1 percent, if it continued.”

30,000 a year over 10 years is closer to 0.43%, so 10x your calculation.
What figures are you using?

"Thank you. Demonic attack? Are you saying that you believe Muslims are demons?"

That's an extreme interpretation, and a little goady. I am far from a devout Christian but I always understood demons sowed discord and spread hate etc...

You missed the bit where I also said "Or perhaps you mean something else. I would be interested to know".

So not goady at all. I was just trying to genuinely understand what smallglassbottles meant. She took absolutely no offence and explained further. I thanked her for doing so. All done and dusted 🙂

Up to a point yes, but there's nothing in Islam which supports the kind of atrocities being mentioned. Unfortunately those are down to far too many who've corrupted it for their own malign ends

I honestly believe Islamophobia shouldn’t be a thing.

No religion should be above scrutiny.

When there are more than 2 billion Muslims in the world, it stands to reason that when talking about a 'minority' of Muslims being extremists - that 'minority' could be millions.

Totally agree. Back to Christopher Hitchens.

All it does is shut down discussion and legitimate criticism.

Yes I agree with this too.

That's the aim afterall.

True.

Christopher Hitchens in 2009. 2009. Longer video link there too.

I suppose it comes down to what form Islamophobia takes really. I can't imagine many welcome outright hatred and physical attacks, but it's also true that some shriek the claim purely because of something they happen to dislike or find inconvenient

I agree though that no religion should be free from scrutiny, and I do mean none
Trouble is, some shout louder than others and/or are more enmeshed with those in power, and some are inclined to give in to this

Yes they do, when large voting blocks are at stake.

You're not wrong, CoventryCity, and that's where holding the line with special pleading comes into it. I'm sure we've all got things we'd love to work "just for us", but have to realise we can't always have exactly what we want, all the time

I should add that I'm coming to this from the standpoint where, because of the sector and region, at least 80% of my employees were Muslim. Not unnaturally I've seen it all, from the vast, vast majority of wonderful people to the few who thought an accusation of racism would overturn them failing an interview ... and never mind that another Muslim got the job

In the end, at least for me, it comes down to this: all cultures and communities have tossers, but belonging to selected ones shouldn't stop us pointing this out

I think he would ask where the women and children are apparently with women for the time he was quite progressive and put the blame for lust on the " one looking lustfully " rather then the women!
That's massive ,a huge difference there between religions who blame the women ?

He also said "little children come unto me ".

So i think he would say where are the women and children .

Agree with all of this.

I'm a relapsed Catholic and so much abusive and vilness has gone on I find it hard to believe I was raised catholic.

I understand it gives people a comfort and community feel however.
I find if strange how easily I fall into mass and the "responses " how easily programmed I was!!

I'm happy to openly talk about this in real life.

However I wouldn't ever dream of mentioning islam at all and I've had to tell DD to never ever mention religion to her Muslim friend. My DD has been very vocal about not believing in God but I've said you cannot mention this to your friend.

I've also been told that in islam you are born muslim which makes sense that people want Islam phobia laws.

I would never consider myself to be born Catholic i was born free and raised as a cathlolic.

Nord littoral says this boat was one of three crossing attempts between 26 and 28 August taken care of by CROSS gris-nez who are out of Calais. The three attempts were trying to go to Fecamp, Wissant and Gravelines.

Where is the other report and is it about the same boat?

Which article? The Nord Littoral says they were attempting to go to Gravelines but were stopped by CROSS Gris-Nez just before reaching British waters. Then taken back to Calais.

Yes, the Nord Littoral calls all 3 attempted crossings.

Who was this?

I think you'll find there is.

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