AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK? PART 2

[CoventryCity]

'Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK

UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.'

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

Previous thread here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5568695-aibu-to-think-if-we-need-to-politely-ask-men-not-to-rape-women-or-men-then-we-dont-want-such-people-in-the-uk?page=40&reply=154338993&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Also important to note that attempts to claim the analysis of the data isn’t statistically valid because it doesn’t control for sex or age is actually quite amusing given that the very categories where there are high numbers of young adult male migrants forcing their way into the UK are precisely those with higher offending rates, which demonstrates exactly why it’s an extremely bad idea to allow tens of thousands of young male adults to move here and disperse them across our society: their presence makes existing UK citizens and residents more unsafe! I.e. the entire point of the thread: that we should not allow this to continue because it compromises our safety.

And that’s quite aside from the absurd idea that 1% of the UK population who are asylum seekers/ people already granted refugee status could have possibly skewed the offending rates to make them this extremely different across ethnicities/ cultures. The point is that we know that even amongst the vast majority of the population sample who are UK citizens or long-term residents, ethnicity and the cultural aspects that accompany that make a very large difference in offending rates, which is will obviously be much HIGHER and more extreme when looking at new arrivals who haven’t been raised here with our laws, and are almost exclusively young men, who we know from worldwide data from as long as history has been recorded are the highest offending group.

It’s ironic that some posters have attempted to object to the statistical analysis on the basis that confounding factors can’t be controlled due to the MOJ refusing to release more granular data, yet at the same time have admitted that these confounding factors would actually INCREASE the additive risk that these newly arriving men pose to the rest of society because the average increase in risk level per new migrant will obviously be HIGHER than the data we have already implies to be the case (given that the overall UK population data also includes women, children and the elderly, which reduces the measurement of the true level of offending per young, adult man).

Why should women and children accept this ongoing increase risk to their safety? This question is yet to be answered.

Even the turtle on the poster is thinking WTF.

And are probably better at maths

I know it’s not really funny but 🤣

😆 🤣

You have to laugh, don’t you.

We’re being taken for absolute fools.

As an aside, I keep trying to post a thread on here linking the fundraiser for the two police officers killed on Saturday morning, but it’s not letting me.

Who are “probably better at maths”?

Chinese men? You think they’re better at maths than which men? Or Chinese women? Or other women?

Their education system is meant to be quite intensive. Perhaps you should start a separate thread about it if it’s an area of interest to you.

Chinese men are better at maths than the average British man

Went through the thread and don't understand the need for statistics - why? Is it not enough to say 'we don't want them here'? Why all justifications and concerns - we just don't want them here. Those who want them here, can marry them, adopt them, sponsor them in their own homes - we just don't don't them here.

Have you tried to start a new thread before?

Why are we acting like white men don't also rape and kill women at disproportionately high rates? I'm sick of people that pretend to care about womens rights turning this into a race issue when it's clearly a gender issue.

No-one is. This is a thread about a specific topic though.

@5MinuteArgument agree these men have to be stopped. I have noticed an influx of migrant men in my small hamlet, mainly as delivery drivers. Then there are the four who regularly walk along the bridle paths. Two years ago all the delivery drivers were local. I hate it and don't feel safe.

It’s been deleted for breaking Talk Guidelines

Oh no, you are taking talking common sense to a whole new level.

That’s not going to be welcome here.

Prepare yourself for the “You’re a Nazi” onslaught forthwith!

Who is 'acting like white men don't also rape' on this thread? Nobody.

This has been done to death.

Do keep up.

Thank you muchly.

Oh. What a shame with that cause.

It's an immigrant issue

There is no route to citizenship by claiming asylum in any GCC country - or there wasn’t when I used to live there. There are migrant workers with visas from many countries - the point being that they are no longer welcomed and very swiftly removed if they lose their job or commit a crime.

There are many thousands of refugees living in pretty awful conditions in Lebanon and Jordan, however.

Would you rather be a woman in the United Kingdom or in Sudan?

They won’t come back to answer that one.

I’m sick of women spouting white men are the same. Apart from the fact that they are born here and we really can’t do much about it, do we really think In the 21st century a pamphlet should be printed for them? What is the heritage of the rape gangs? Oh yes….Pakistani / South Asian.

People aren’t demonising groups for a laugh, it is based on fact and statistics.