AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK? PART 2

[CoventryCity]

'Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK

UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.'

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

Previous thread here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5568695-aibu-to-think-if-we-need-to-politely-ask-men-not-to-rape-women-or-men-then-we-dont-want-such-people-in-the-uk?page=40&reply=154338993&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Are you the token migrant apologist then? Interesting.

It's not a fake statistic. So for the gang rapes, you've got 578 individuals men, vs German men at 509. That's a large enough sample size to be significant.

Something isn't fake because you dislike it.

I also doubt there are confounding factors like age in the stats, it's highly unlikely that any of the rapists are little children or very elderly.

Thank you for that.

It’s all lies, don’t you know.

Peddled by the far right, Nazis, racists and the poorly educated.

It's probably the ADF donning blackface and attacking women, to try and win votes.

It’s all so frustrating, isn't it?

Just open your eyes and see the world for how it actually is, not how you would like it to be.

And stop trying to silence people.

Oops…meant to quote @NancyThompson .

Clearly my education was wasted on me 🤣

Has anyone heard about all the problems with public pools in Germany and Switzerland?

Oh the German issue occassioned some hilarious posters:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/04/woke-german-sexual-harassment-campaign-hits-bum-note/

No, you’re wrong. The sample size is the population data per ethnicity. I think you’ll find that a sample size of 65,000,000 is sufficient. Even within the discrete categories where the total percentage of the UK population which belongs to that ethnicity is 0.6%, that equates to a sample size of 390,000 people. I think you’ll find that is more than sufficient as a sample size (understatement of the year) to test to get statistically valid results. Then we measure how many of those in that sample have been prosecuted or convicted of rape per the CPS crime statistics.

The level of occurrence is the number of recorded rape prosecutions or convictions per ethnicity category and a perfectly valid occurrence measure: presumably that’s why it was recorded in the first place.

They are not “two separate sets of data”: This is data about one specific feature of the entire population sample - recorded rape prosecutions and convictions) and each ethnicity category within the population individually numbers far above the sample size required to reach statistically valid conclusions and was recorded using the exact same classification used to categorise the population as a whole and is used across state functions including the ONS and MOJ and CPS). They’re not “two sets of data”. This data is recorded on the same basis (using identical categorisation groupings) by definition (the codes are included in the CPS data) and this provides a way to statistically test and measure a certain characteristics of each group within the total population sample, in this particular case “likelihood of prosecution/ conviction for rape”.

This is precisely how statistical analysis works and your pretence that somehow these tenfold or more differences between the different groups aren’t statisticallz verified by the data is laughable. What do you think they are: random anomalies? What “confounding factors” do you think could cause tenfold variations in likelohood in sample sizes this large? 😆😆

."I’m not talking about analysis within a data set but the invalidity of directly comparing two data sets where one has a sample size of thousands and the other millions."

Do you apply this to representation in jobs too? There's no validity in claims for representation of ethnicities of so called "minorities" (all of whom come from the global majorities)?

Personaly there's not much wrong with asking what people are doing to bring awareness about MALE violence against women. The thing here is that there needs to be consistency. If someone only shouts when violence is committed against a woman by a person if colour or a migrant , then they are motivated by racism pure and simple. Seems You have inverted reality to suit your own twisted logic. I pointed out white men rape as well. You have proved my point i was making that for you and many others this has nothing to do with women's safety and everything to do with deflection and racism. And to say anyone has a activists mindset is classic behaviour to silence someone. There will be people in amongst the crowds outside hotels and camps who are being manipulated ,nothing but cannon fodder for the likes of musk Robinson et al. Just imagine a world where there were continual protests outside the home office like there is at crowborough camp and other places based purely on ending male violence WHATEVER the colour or religion of the perpetrators.

Ffs!!!

Talk about distorting reality!

You have very little understanding of people let alone their motivation. Posts like yours simply give off a lot of sanctimony.

What makes you think people don't, though?
This particular thread is about a specific subject though.

Your supposition only works if you maintain that the women on here who you disagree with would be equally opposed to women from these groups - as opposed to men - being given asylum. You know fine well they won’t.

I suspect these women would also object to letting British born rapists back into the country if there were any way of resisting that!

It’s not racism. Call it misandry if you insist.

They love the word racism, especially when they can use thick with it, and especially exciting for them to say it when it comes to protecting immigrant rapists.

Exactly. In fact I posted a comment in the first thread saying precisely this: that we should find a way to admit the women and children from these countries, not the abusive men who have participated in perpetuating this misogynistic society then run away, leaving the women and children to fend for themselves.

The women and children would pose a far lower threat, are those more in need of our help and sanctuary, and have a far higher probability of integrating into our society and accepting our social norms and values and laws.

Yes, those countries which report crime stats broken down by nationality, eg Germany, Sweden, show a higher rate of offending by certain nationalities, eg Afghans, Eritrean, Sudanese males, especially in relation to sexual crimes.

I can’t get over that bloody poster!

Yes, there’s hordes of middle aged women groping young boys/ teenagers of colour or with migration background.

Who are disabled no less!!

Has everyone taken leave of their senses???

You admit then, tacitly, that young males are more dangerous.

So: even if you continue to refuse to accept the evidenced fact that men from certain cultures (even when adjusting for age) pose far higher risks on average to women and children, you have admitted that young men are a higher risk across the board than children, women of any age or old men, in terms of committing sexual and violent crimes, correct?

Why do you think women and children in the UK should accept higher risks to their safety by allowing tens of thousands of additional young men to come to live in the UK and roam around our cities, towns and villages? On what basis have you decided that their desire to come here outweighs the additional risk to women and children’s safety if we allow them to do so?

Ah yes, the ginger-haired giant German woman harassing a poor disabled migrant male in a public pool.

This is the kind of muddle-headed distortion of the truth that has fueled the rise of the far right in Germany as people are sick of all the gaslighting.

wtf.

It’s pretty sad actually given a 16 year old girl was pushed onto train tracks.

She got herself in a bit of a muddle there anyway. It was raw numbers of immigrant gang rapists vs raw numbers of German gang rapists - no confounding at all.

Okay granted it might be the case that the comparison to population has some confounding (17% of German residents are foreign nationals, perhaps more are male and working age), but if the actual total number of gang rapists is higher, not percentage, actual numbers, then there's no confounding factors in the world that makes that not statistically significant.
Then add to that, the fact that there are obviously many nationalities making up non-German residents, and four of them were clearly over-represented in the figures, then those four nationalities are starting to look pretty dangerous.

There is gaslighting and then there’s shit like that poster.

I’d like to meet the person who came up with this.

Just why??

But we all know the answer .

And when the right/ far right/ whoever it will be get in, people will be wringing their hands and wailing and asking ‘Whyyyyy?’