AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK? PART 2

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'Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK

UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.'

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

Previous thread here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5568695-aibu-to-think-if-we-need-to-politely-ask-men-not-to-rape-women-or-men-then-we-dont-want-such-people-in-the-uk?page=40&reply=154338993&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Yes. I remember sex segregation in cafes etc was there (waist high walls etc) then it disappeared. The last one i remember that was still there when I left was a starbucks queue. frankly was glad not to queue with the men. and I liked the idea of women and children only restaurant areas. But again - only if it was by choice, which it wasn't of course.
I also remember the days when women could finally get their driving licence. I was in the driving licence place. It was like watching a revolution in real time, these women picking up their driving licences - looking at them like they couldn't believe it was true. Grins and happiness all over. I got one too, but after driving once there, I stopped again..

A really worthwhile bill.

Whatever would be the reasons to object? Can anyone enlighten us? Perhaps it’s that collecting this data would be pointless because foreign nationals never commit any crime …

Brilliant 🤣 👏

Sorry just seen this post. Yes we don't need 2 threads do we? It's all here.

Do Christians and catholics throw guys to their deaths or hang them? What about what about. I'm talking as form of punishment?

Who would protect you if the military were dismantled? Is it easier to go after the men and women trained to fight for this country than the enemy who wants to sneak in through the back door. Nobody is racist on this thread, particularly the OP who's opened a legitimate debate. Now why are you trying to shut her down?

Agree.

Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam
by Yasmine Mohammed
Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Infidel meets The Handmaid's Tale

'The author argues that many well-meaning Western liberals and feminists are so afraid of being labelled "Islamophobic" (prejudiced against Muslims) that they turn a blind eye to real human rights abuses and misogyny within Islamic fundamentalism. '

This.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Infidel
Ayaan Hirsi Ali critiques Western left-wing politics for using cultural relativism. She contends that by treating immigrant communities solely as victims of Western racism and prioritizing identity politics over universal rights, the left betrays women in need of protection from religious patriarchy.

@WildWindySeascape
On a practical note, I would like to see more publicity about Katy Lam’s bill which will require public authorities to collect and data about crime, ethnicity and visa status. This information will strengthen the case for illegal immigration to be dealt with urgently. This won’t change anything on its own but the data, if collected, will allow even more pressure to build and I expect it will generate a lot of headlines and headaches for the government.

Thank you for being the first to admit there isn’t the data to prove any link between immigration status and criminality.

Bold of you to assume that if such data were collected it would definitely show illegal immigrants have a higher propensity to commit crimes.

Of course illegal immigrants are already criminals by their mere illegal presence here so there’s really no need for such a bill.

However when you say illegal immigration, you’re not talking about illegal immigrants you’re actually talking about legal male immigrants from certain specific countries. These are a tiny proportion of all foreign immigrants.

I support this bill, I’m interested in the truth so I’m not going to say it will prove this or that because we don’t know. There is currently no proven link.

I personally would like to take Christians who are being persecuted in places like Nigeria , it makes a lot more sense. To this country's shame there have been cases like Asia Bibi where asylum has been denied because of threats from Muslims https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/13/asia-bibi-foreign-office-accused-of-allowing-pakistan-mob-to-dictate-asia-bibi-asylum-case
This one more recently was given asylum but Muslim home office staff tried to tamper with her application https://christianconcern.com/news/christian-woman-who-fled-islamic-persecution-overturns-asylum-decision/

In fact, such data has been collated in various European countries, and discussed extensively on this and the prior thread.
Bold of you not to bother reading them before offering your incorrect opinion.

I would definitely like to see Christians persecuted in Africa and the Middle East helped too. Some of the stuff happening in Nigeria is beyond words.
And the ME populations are so tiny and vulnerable.

Plenty of Christian movements engage in forced marriage, rape, sexual slavery, and oppression of women and girls. Usually they are fringe Christian cults, but in some countries they were/are warlords ruling over millions, take the Lord’s Resistance Army for example. Which is smaller than they used to be but still active.

The LRA have never harmed anyone for being gay, but they should still concern us because their view and treatment of women is horrific.

Oh no, I read it, and I’m on that thread. Lots of bold assuming going on isn’t there! The raw data reported by journalists doesn’t prove what you and others say it does.

They are stats from official sources as you know. Poor form to lie about it because what they indicate makes you uncomfortable.

Yes, I agree, women have closed ranks with their menfolk when it came to the grooming gangs. I dont want that mentality here. And of course they would bring their children with them and if granted LTR would be allowed to bring their families (a Palestinian woman was enabled by judges to bring 18 family members into the UK). No thankyou.

Yes absolutely. I fail to see what they even think the ‘greater good’ is here. Filling our overburdened services and housing with higher need people (need interpreters, help understanding our laws and customs, often medical/dental needs etc) is just going to make things worse for everyone and destroy the very country that many think they are coming to.

@NullaEffugium here you go, figures from the German government. (might take a bit for the image to be authorised).

You can also verify for yourself the gang rapst demographic figures - 574 foreign vs 509 German in 2025, 53%, compared to an overall 17% of foreign residents in Germany, and with the following nationalities over-represented: Syrians (110), Afghans (64), Iraqis (46), and Turks (44).

Hello

I didn’t realise there was a second thread

It is so weird watching people apparently wake up about 10 years after I started speaking openly about it

Been worried about it for a lot longer

Better late than never I guess … also it depends where you live but it’s quite frustrating not to be believed because somebody lives in a really nice bubble.

Why would I lie?! I mean this applies to real life people as well.

Those groups are not having their views and customs protected and criticism of them is not silenced by our government though.

Where have I lied? Raw data even from official sources that has not been properly analysed for confounding factors proves absolutely nothing. And the thread, where I liked certain posters, had some voices of reason pointing out the issues with the data.

This is just like the claim based on raw data that Black women are more likely to die in childbirth because NHS midwives are racist. Then after professionals looked into it, they find out that after adjusting for lifestyle, pre-existing health conditions, age, and so on, there isn’t really much of a difference,

These sensational headlines are meant to shit stir, and they largely succeed, but no one remembers when it’s all retracted.

Not inconsistent at all. We have to have an army to stop us being attacked by a hostile state. We don't have to accept thousands of males from incompatible cultures. See the difference?

Sorry what? The LRA is not having their views and customs on sexual slavery of women, rape as a weapon of war, forced marriage protected? Why on earth would they be?