AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK? PART 2

[CoventryCity]

'Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK

UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.'

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

Previous thread here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5568695-aibu-to-think-if-we-need-to-politely-ask-men-not-to-rape-women-or-men-then-we-dont-want-such-people-in-the-uk?page=40&reply=154338993&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

So does ours… have you seen Andrew Tate and the red pill culture hello?!

I said I want no men coming in fgs man can you read?!

I can say with 100% confidence that my husband would never harm me in any way.

Yeh I know you think it’s the same everywhere. I think you need to read up on what it’s like in the countries mentioned below.

I said take away the accountability and all men will harm a woman. We have more accountability yes but not as much as you’d like to think. Men are fucking awful; the rape conviction rates and dv rates here are a joke. We aren’t better in any sense, our men are just better at hiding it

You’re actually waffling to be honest and not really forming a coherent argument.

You don’t give a shit about all the unvetted men coming over in their thousands…. cos, hey, all men and all that jazz 🤦‍♀️.

It is basic safeguarding and risk. No country in their right frame of mind would accept a load of foreigners coming in, day in, day out on dinghys. They certainly wouldn’t be welcoming them with open arms on tax payer money. The UK has committed suicide and it’s women and girls who will pay the price.

This will be ignored because we have issues here

I never said any of this. I think you need to practise your reading skills. The inferences you are making are not supported by the evidence in the text

Fine one to talk 🤣🤣🤭

No I’m saying how can you judge these men when ours are disgusting, misogynistic and rapey? I don’t want them in the country but I don’t think ours are that much better! They’re raised from birth to think of us as property (get the girl) and Andrew Tate and red pill says it all.
a man free country would suit me just fine

You surely must know about child brides and female circumsision? And that is not scratching the surface….

Absolutely untrue. Not true of my husband. Not true of my lovely father. Not true of many, many men.

And why the obsession with Andrew Tate? Most people know he's a rapey prat.

Oh good lord. You’re a not all men woman. Doesn’t matter it’s 9/10 of them. Your personal experiences make the stats worthless. 🙄

I suspect you have some sad background history.

Oh so because we’re not doing the awful things, we’re so much better? Please. Girls constantly disclose abuse and get labelled mad. A man beat his gf with a golf club and got a suspended sentence. But tell me how we’re so enlightened please

Yes I work with dv victims and believe me… it’s all men: even the ones who look like your grandad: even the nice ones. They learn entitlement from birth and it shows

I wonder how MN allowed even 2 threads about this, without calling you racist and without someone insisting you are and that you must be a Reform supporter. Something good must have been happening in MN head quarters

Well you work with DV victims, obviously it's all of those men.
You can't extrapolate that to the population at large.

Anyway, we're getting off topic. Perhaps you want to start a thread about British men?

Well, obviously not allowing nine year old girls to be married off to old men is definitely better.

So you'd be happy if we bought you a one-way ticket to Afghanistan where you can live out your days in a country where families sell their daughters to old men ... or maybe a one way ticket to Sudan where you might get to be the recipient of FGM.

After all, all men are the same, so what's the difference?

Come back and tell me how great you tbink the uk is after you see a woman say she thinks her child is being sexually abused and gets labelled a mad fantasist rather than believed - and this is the norm, not the exception. Then tell me our society doesn’t enable and isn’t a problem

Hopefully the tide is turning and people are waking up….

You are really inventing things I didn’t say.
but put the lovely men you know in these countries and watch them start to abuse women then tell me I’m wrong

This is my personal experience as well.

I have so many men in my family who are decent and have never hurt anyone.

Are you going to dismiss my personal experience as well?

What makes our experiences not valid and yours the gospel?

What a bizarre argument