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To be upset about meat being cooked in my house

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Meetmeinlove · Yesterday 16:09

For context, I am 53 and a lifelong vegetarian. I have never cooked meat or eaten meat.

I was always clear with my kids that if they wanted to eat meat, it was their choice but it had to be out of the house. Put simply, I don’t want it in my house.

They both eat meat and I am ok with that.

But I came home and they have cooked it- used my wooden chopping board to cut it up. Left remnants on the worksurface.

i’m bloody upset and it feels so disrespectful frankly. It’s a real problem for me- I don’t want meat in my house- I have always been really clear about it.

aibu to be so upset about it? It’s a real problem for me.

OP posts:
Grammarnut · Yesterday 17:53

My ex-husband unilaterally decided to be vegetarian (culture) and I agreed so long as he continued to eat fish i.e. be a pescatarian to some extent, because I was worried about health and his becoming a vegetarian essentially meant we would all be vegetarian, at least at home. I adjusted but I still cooked meat e.g. at Christmas, with a vegetarian alternative and if we went to a restaurant I did not restrict either myself or the DC to only vegetarian choices - though often we would go to a restaurant serving vegetarian food as that seemed fair.
It's your children's home as well as yours and they do not share your antipathy to meat. They should be able to eat the food they like at home if they are cooking for themselves (I presume all family meals are vegetarian) and you need to provide a separate fridge for meat if that is what they want to cook. They should clean up after themselves, of course, but apart from providing a separate meat chopping board (which is a good idea anyway and you can buy sets of coloured chopping boards for various foods) there is no reason to use separate pans as long as they are washed and a dishwasher will deal with the plates and crockery at a high temperature so nothing will be contaminated.
Were your reasons for being vegetarian religious I would be a bit more supportive just as I would over kosher (and a kosher kitchen) or halal. You are being unreasonable about them eating meat in their own home - but the not tidying up you are entirely right about.

FluentTealGuide · Yesterday 17:53

NeverDropYourMooncup · Yesterday 17:49

What about teens that want to be vegetarian or vegan being forced to have meat and dairy products in every meal by a parent that won't have it in their fucking house? Who will only buy leather shoes and jackets with Coyote fur trim and bedding full of eider feathers?

Their house, their rules, the kids will just have to eat and wear what they're given?

I don’t understand why people keep making this argument. It has never worked and never will.

BakersKitchen · Yesterday 17:53

Meetmeinlove · Yesterday 16:15

Did you read my post?

I am not not allowing them to eat meat- they eat it in school/ college/ at friends/ out of the house.

I just don’t want it in my house!’

I agree with others - you keep saying it’s your house but it is also your children’s home. They aren’t guests staying for the weekend. At those ages they should have more freedom. Fair enough you don’t cool it for them but if they used separate chopping boards and kept a separate shelf in the fridge I think that would be perfectly reasonable.

The thing is at those ages they’re going to do it anyway - and not being able to do something as fundamental as eat what you want in your own home is always going to cause trouble. They’ve probably been doing it for years and only this time forgot to clean up properly. Far better for things to be out in the open and then a system can be agreed.

They should have cleared up though, on that YANBU.

Teawaster · Yesterday 17:56

Meetmeinlove · Yesterday 17:13

I assume you have never been on mumsnet before.

What generally happens is someone posts something and then there is a discussion where people debate both sides. Often the OP stands their ground.

It’s generally how it works!!

Not really. You asked if were you being unreasonable. You have been told by the majority of people that you are but you have not accepted anybody's point of view. The fact that you asked must mean that you feel somewhat unsure about your stance but you don't like it when people are telling you what you don't want to hear.
Most people at that stage accept that others may have a point.

BruFord · Yesterday 17:56

Catza · Yesterday 16:11

It's not the meat that's the issue here, it's the fact that your children disrespected your wishes. This is what I would be focusing on when speaking to them, otherwise they will just tell you that you are being irrational.

Edited

I agree @Catza. The disrespect is the issue here. If DH or I ask our children not to do something in the house, we expect them to respect this.

MxCactus · Yesterday 17:56

OP do you have any leather in your house or let them bring leather in? Surely it's similar to leaving animal meat about - it's literally cows skin!

wishfulthinking25 · Yesterday 17:56

It’s their house too, no?

TheSmallAssassin · Yesterday 17:57

KaleidoscopeSmile · Yesterday 16:24

You just keep repeating the same thing.

It's THEIR house too. Why don't you respond to THAT?

It's their home, it's not their house. @Meetmeinlove I think it is completely reasonable to have this red line. For some people it would be alcohol, or drugs or pork.

Iocanepowder · Yesterday 17:59

NeverDropYourMooncup · Yesterday 17:49

What about teens that want to be vegetarian or vegan being forced to have meat and dairy products in every meal by a parent that won't have it in their fucking house? Who will only buy leather shoes and jackets with Coyote fur trim and bedding full of eider feathers?

Their house, their rules, the kids will just have to eat and wear what they're given?

Well they aren’t little kids are they. They are not ‘given’ stuff all the time anymore to eat and wear. They are becoming more independent and should be encouraged to do so.

QuadrupleH · Yesterday 17:59

Meetmeinlove · Yesterday 17:13

I assume you have never been on mumsnet before.

What generally happens is someone posts something and then there is a discussion where people debate both sides. Often the OP stands their ground.

It’s generally how it works!!

Not really, its often they at least take on some points, particularly if they're able to apply some critical thinking.

Either way, YABU of course. Although asking them to use separate utensils etc would be reasonable.

BruFord · Yesterday 18:00

wishfulthinking25 · Yesterday 17:56

It’s their house too, no?

@wishfulthinking25 In our family, it's our house, just as my in-laws house is their house and DD's flat (that she shares with friends) is her house.
We'd respect their wishes in their houses.

FourSevenFive · Yesterday 18:01

You are being unreasonable.

Have a dedicated meat/not meat chopping boards and tupperwear. Agree on times when it is ok. Run as good separation as possible.
Don't deny your teenage sons an option to eat home-cooked meat just because you were raised in a militant vegetarian way.

canklesmctacotits · Yesterday 18:01

CanOnlyBeMyself · Yesterday 17:47

I just don’t want it in my house

As others have said OP, it’s their house too. Why would they treat you with respect when you don’t see them as equals? Not once have you said ‘our house’. They’re old enough to know now that their home life hasn’t been ‘normal’ so maybe they’ve had enough? Or maybe they were about to clear up but were interrupted by you so had to run upstairs with their ‘disrespectful’ meals. Bloody hell this takes ‘controlling’ to a whole new level.

Equals?! On what planet are a 14yo and 18yo equal to their mother? I really despair sometimes. This comment comes from the type of parent who tells their children not to listen to their teachers because “they’re not better than you, they can’t tell you what to do” 🙄

The minute my children take responsibility for their actions and don’t shove them onto others (such as me), they can be deemed as adults. And even then they wouldn’t be my equals 😂. What garbage.

Chewbecca · Yesterday 18:02

I don't think it would be unreasonable, at their ages, to allow meat in the house with rules around it, such as a dedicated space in the fridge and dedicated utensils, plus of course fully clearing up. If they fail to adhere, back to no meat at all. It's their home too and they should have some space to make choices in it IMO.

Disturbia81 · Yesterday 18:05

I think you are very unusual OP. The veggies I know still cook meat for family or let it be cooked.

IStillHearTheWaves · Yesterday 18:05

ThisCyanBird · Yesterday 16:50

Yanbu.

Completely reasonable not to want dead animals that have had a miserable existence stored and made into meals in your home.

These animals had no choice. It is very hard for those in the mindset of seeing certain animals as dinner to see the wrongs of eating animals and delve into the misery of farming.

Evil thrives when good people do nothing.

Project Slingshot's factual information can help.

Lots of assumptions about the necessity of animal flesh for health. You can make healthy or unhealthy dietary choices as both a vegetarian, vegan or consumer of animal flesh.

No-one asked for a lecture.

PinkyFlamingo · Yesterday 18:05

Meetmeinlove · Yesterday 16:45

But I have been clear- I haven’t taken a ‘because I say so’ approach.

i was clear growing up that eating meat was up to them- it was their choice and I have always respected that. I eat out with them regularly and they eat meat at restaurants.

But my bottom line was not at home. That’s it.

So you forced your own beliefs onto them as children then. 🙄

CanOnlyBeMyself · Yesterday 18:05

No @canklesmctacotits I am not ‘that type of parent’. I do however have experience of living with a teenager and I can assure you all this ‘my house’ crap is not going to lead to a smooth ride for anyone.

PrincessFiorimonde · Yesterday 18:06

godmum56 · Yesterday 16:58

the day they pay the mortgage/council tax they can decide what happens.

I agree.

(And I'm not a vegetarian, in case that matters. )

blossomsnow · Yesterday 18:08

I think you are being excessively controlling.
It's their home too.

MNLurker1345 · Yesterday 18:08

They should be allowed to cook meat in their, as well as your home.

Even if they have separate chopping boards and utensils.

What is your alternative for them?

I understand how abhorrent preparing, cooking and eating meat is to you but we
all have to compromise in order to live together in peace and harmony.

You are angry with your children, what has been their response?

Despite what you say, at their age, they are within their rights to disobey you and cook meat in their, as well as your home.

VestibuleWeaver · Yesterday 18:09

cariadlet · Yesterday 17:52

I think the op is getting some harsh replies.

Presumably, she's a vegetarian for ethical reasons because she is against unnecessary cruelty to animals.

I wonder if the answers would be different if she objected to different house rules not being followed. If she was religious and had a kosher or halal kitchen, would it be reasonable to expect her children to follow that? If she was anti-smoking, would it be ok for the children (once they were old enough to legally buy cigarettes) to smoke in a smoke-free house?

Her children are hardly deprived just because they're not allowed to have meat in the house.

Smoking is an activity which is highly damaging to health, and has killed roughly a quarter of a billion people over the past century or so. It also leaves a sticky, yellow film on household surfaces. Meat is a natural foodstuff which is consumed by humans, and countless other creatures, and even some plants, all over the planet. Can you see the difference?

Nofeckingway · Yesterday 18:09

I agree with the OP . These kids have grown up in a non meat household all their lives . They know how she feels about it being in the house , never mind using her utensils to prepare it . It is a gross disregard for the rules of the household . And it is the OP who is in charge . When they pay their own bills and have their own place they can do what they want . I have no sympathy for the it's their house too argument .

I wonder if people would feel differently if the foodstuff was alcohol instead of meat ? Nobody needs either to survive , it's just a preference .

Iocanepowder · Yesterday 18:09

PrincessFiorimonde · Yesterday 18:06

I agree.

(And I'm not a vegetarian, in case that matters. )

No, they should not have to pay bills in order to be able to eat what they want or cook according to their own diet in the place they live.

FourSevenFive · Yesterday 18:09

BruFord · Yesterday 17:56

I agree @Catza. The disrespect is the issue here. If DH or I ask our children not to do something in the house, we expect them to respect this.

That works when the ask is reasonable and when there are open lines of communication to discuss and potentially re-evaluate when the ask doesn't work.

In this case it seems that the home setup needs re-evaluation, but the OP evidently isn't open to it, so rebelion is their best choice.