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My step daughter lied about having cancer

152 replies

mydaughterisademon · Today 15:49

And I really don’t understand why, she’s 20! She kept this lie up for 6 months, but only to one side of the family.

I was suspicious when I first heard about it as she had always been a liar, such as accusing people of seriously assaulting her, or the neighbour being a pervert.

None of the details she said added up, we gave her a lot of money as she was ‘too sick to work’.

The odd thing is, her mother is exactly the same, and made up having a child! Used to make up lies about my husband and have him arrested.

Initially my husband’s family didn’t believe me and were quite nasty to me. Until my husband went to his families house and called her grandmother, who she lives with and she advised she’s never had cancer.

She also claimed miscarriage and sepsis last month, on top of the the cancer.

what the hell is wrong with her? Me and my husband can’t get our head around it.

OP posts:
jonesonscam · Today 18:26

mydaughterisademon · Today 17:44

No, that’s about emotions, this is something else

It’s not ‘about emotions’ - it’s a very plausible explanation for this behaviour. I feel sad for her, she clearly has nobody steering her in the right directions.

Calliopespa · Today 18:28

Vivi0 · Today 18:23

Why do you consider this to be the OP and her DH’s fault, when there is clearly so much more to it.

So very disingenuous.

I very much doubt the existence of the OP has contributed to any of the issues the SD is experiencing, given how utterly chaotic her upbringing sounds.

Because I am a strong believer in parental responsibility and when, as op has confirmed, a child has had a tumultuous upbring, I feel only compassion, and alarm at the idea that a parent would hit out in anger, not reach out in love when behaviour clearly indicates they have reached adulthood disturbed.

And as for disingenuousness, and as for your question about the OP, I find the whole thread really disingenuous and lacking in humanity. It's just a casting about for people to slam the girl. The OP clearly thinks the behaviour is odd: she didn't need third party confirmation of that.

Cara707 · Today 18:28

AndImVictoriaMalcolm · Today 18:00

Given her mother is habitual liar it’s not really odd the daughter behaves in the same way. It’s going to sound like I’m making excuses for her and I suppose I am, but it’s no wonder she’s turned out to be so twisted. I know she’s not your daughter and you can wash your hands of her but she is your husband’s daughter, and if I was him I would try one more time with her, see if I could get her some help. But don’t give her any more money. I doubt very much he will see any of the money he gave her again. Might be best to write that off for his own peace of mind.

I agree with the second part of this post. Her Dad should absolutely support her despite this (not necessarily financially but emotionally/ psychologically) as she sounds like a hurt/damaged individual and she is his child.

morgan56 · Today 18:29

I can’t see why you handed money over so easily. Surely there would be proof… physical signs? Accompany to an appointment?
If I told my either of my parents that I had cancer, they’d be a lot of worry and they would be more involved ? I know they wouldn’t just send me on my way with money!

lookatmylife · Today 18:33

mydaughterisademon · Today 17:42

She made her elderly (80s) grandparents believe she had ovarian cancer, for 7 months. We didn’t know anything about the cancer til June, when we offered our support. She went silent. TIL Sunday when a sudden money request came through. She said she needed £600, but given everything she’d been through we’d be willing to pay all her debt off.

she has a rough childhood, she was living with her grandmother from being a toddler. Social services wouldn’t support my husband in having her as he was 20 with no where to live at the time (I don’t think he’s blameless). The children were removed from the mother, and live with the grandmother, which half her children have turned into drug addicts. But not the lies, unlike her mother.

i am happy to support someone that needs help; I’ve always been there for her, I’ve treated her no less than my own, hence why I paid £2k. But there’s just no remorse for what she’s done. She’s lied before, a lot, but not to this extent.

how much does a troubled childhood excuse this? Mine wasn’t great either, but I do my best

It doesn’t excuse it but probably explains it.
Sounds like an unmet need to me and likely MH issues arising from this.

You can’t force her to access help but she needs to.
i see in a later post you have said that this isn’t about emotions but it absolutely is.
It’s likely about her early experiences, the impact on her development, her sense of self, emotional safety and unhealthy ways of trying to get her needs met.

I don’t like the jump to PDs but it’s possible. No one here can say.

Again not an excuse but you asked why she’d tell such lies and I think you have your answer. What you do with that is entirely up to you but your husband does need to try and support her whilst maintaining strong boundaries around this.

Don’t completely give up on her. I know she’s 20 but developmentally is likely to function at a much younger age in some ways.

Calliopespa · Today 18:34

AppleDumplingWithCustard · Today 18:24

You seem to be very invested in this thread. Has it touched a nerve?

Yes, I am a strong believer in the duty of adults towards the dc they bring into this world.

All these threads where stepparents try to stir up dissent in a family, rather than pour oil on waters, appal me, and there are so many of them on these boards.

The OP knows the girl's behaviour is thoroughly odd. I am not seeing much "I hadn't thought of it that way" and so I wonder what the point of the thread was if not just to luxuriate in denigration of the girl. The wider the audience ...

Does none of that touch a nerve for you, if you see young people being treated like that? Even the OP admits this poor girl had a difficult upbringing. I would be urging her father to offer loving support to unpick the issues, which are clearly deeply seeded.

lookatmylife · Today 18:36

worldshottestmom · Today 18:09

Wow what a narcissistic little bitch. Disgusting. Stay well away from her. Hope your DH gets the money back and she gets her comeuppance. Like mother like daughter...

Don’t know about worlds hottest mum but based on this post, you don’t sound very empathetic.

YourGiddyGreyHelper · Today 18:37

Pistachiocake · Today 16:04

Being 20 would not mean she couldn't have cancer (sadly, it's more common than you think, and more and more younger people are being diagnosed).

Is there any possibility it was a maybe, and miscommunicated? As in I had gynae issues and was told it could be X, and they'd be testing the tissue for cancer-could this have been the case? Though with the rest of what she's said, I guess that is unlikely, and agree with others to keep your distance from her.

She got money from them on the pretext that she was too ill to work.

Negroany · Today 18:39

dreamingofgoodhair · Today 16:12

It’s not fraud though ? He willingly paid it. She lied but not fraud as in a scammer.

Obtaining money by deception is fraud.

Scamming is just a colloquial term for it.

CharlieEffie · Today 18:41

HollyhocksandPeons · Today 16:47

What is wrong with her? Her father abandoned her to live with her liar mother and shacked up with you. That is what is wrong with her. Your 'husband' is wrong with her. You know that before he was your husband, he was her father?

Lots of people get 'abandoned' by their fathers and dont turn into vile liars

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · Today 18:48

That's dreadful, OP. I'm so sorry you and your DH have been deceived in such a horrible way. She certainly sounds quite mentally unwell. As PPs have said, don't engage or communicate with her any more. What a terrible person she must be to show such little remorse.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · Today 18:50

Sounds a bit Munchausen's syndrome too, and narcissistic .

bellhawk · Today 18:53

This sounds like a personality disorder which would need medical help. Similar to the case of Samantha Cookes (see also podcast The Real Carrie Jade), you would want her to have treatment before it escalates further.

Gengha · Today 18:55

What’s with all the excuses here for the lying little bizzum?

If she needs help, she’s an adult, she can go and get it. I’d have nothing to do with the lying, manipulative little cow.

Gardenisablooming · Today 19:05

My own dc told us he had cancer and had had surgery.
A few hours later he was rolling around the floor playing with a small sibling. I took pics to remind myself what he is capable of.

6 months later he assaulted that small dc whilst recovering from a drug fuelled evening.

Haven't seen him since.

Anyahyacinth · Today 19:12

If she had to scam money OP...what prospect do you believe you have to retrieve it OP? Are you thinking she saved it? A car?

queensonia · Today 19:13

I’d start filming her now, because if she carries on like this, Netflix will want the footage for the inevitable documentary they’ll be making about her

nrp2 · Today 19:14

mydaughterisademon · Today 17:42

She made her elderly (80s) grandparents believe she had ovarian cancer, for 7 months. We didn’t know anything about the cancer til June, when we offered our support. She went silent. TIL Sunday when a sudden money request came through. She said she needed £600, but given everything she’d been through we’d be willing to pay all her debt off.

she has a rough childhood, she was living with her grandmother from being a toddler. Social services wouldn’t support my husband in having her as he was 20 with no where to live at the time (I don’t think he’s blameless). The children were removed from the mother, and live with the grandmother, which half her children have turned into drug addicts. But not the lies, unlike her mother.

i am happy to support someone that needs help; I’ve always been there for her, I’ve treated her no less than my own, hence why I paid £2k. But there’s just no remorse for what she’s done. She’s lied before, a lot, but not to this extent.

how much does a troubled childhood excuse this? Mine wasn’t great either, but I do my best

But surely at some point your DH wouldve no longer been 20, and have found a place to live? Did he ever pursue having her? What was his contact like with her?

You discount a PD as that's about emotions - but from the outside it does sound like this about emotions to some degree, and wanting attention.

TattiePants · Today 19:16

TheGander · Today 16:42

It’s always cancer isn’t it?

Not always. A close friend at uni disclosed to us that she was HIV+. Whilst she never openly admitted that she’d lied, it became obvious that she had. Plus, decades later, having had multiple partners and several children, she’s still very much alive and symptom free.

SparklyBrickViper · Today 19:25

Vile.

Cancer scammers boil my piss.

Beeloux · Today 19:27

JudgeJ · Today 18:18

If you want to go down that route, blaming her father then you should also involve her mother who seems to be where she learned her lying.
Why does MN like to find excuses for poor behaviour, it's a fact of life that some people are utter prats for no reason.

I agree. I had a hard childhood. Dm died unexpectedly when I was 13. Went to go and live with my gran (DF worked abroad so she was like a second mum). She died of a stroke a few months later on Boxing Day.

I had a few troubled years following (ED) but I never once have used it as an excuse to treat other people badly.

One of my exs was a horrific person. He blamed it on his parents getting divorced and would give any given chance to share his pity party.

A hard childhood is no excuse.

Cyclebabble · Today 19:28

Hi OP I have posted previously about the issues we have had with my son. When DH went down with dementia he took out a fraudulent POA and then made a false safeguarding complaint to Social Services. It takes some getting your head around the fact that a son or daughter can tell such lies, effectively extort money and have zero remorse or empathy. The first thing we felt was shock. Some counselling for you and your DH might be useful.

There is though a practical aspect to this which you need to deal with. Make sure that you have up to date wills and that these are clear on your intentions. Similar set up clear POAs. Does she still have access to the house? If so change the locks. Then either go no contact or low contact. The less contact you have, the less opportunity there is for further issues. If she will lie about cancer she will similarly lie about other things. I would not be meeting her alone.

At some stage, if she accepts this, I would support counselling for her, but this is not going to happen any time soon.

Sunnibee · Today 19:35

Has she admitted that it was a lie?

Calliopespa · Today 19:37

JudgeJ · Today 18:18

If you want to go down that route, blaming her father then you should also involve her mother who seems to be where she learned her lying.
Why does MN like to find excuses for poor behaviour, it's a fact of life that some people are utter prats for no reason.

If the mum were to post, I'd happily involve her in the blame, depending on her side of the story.

I don't disagree that some people are prats for no reason, but I'm slower to blame children in family situations. It is hard to be better than your input.

Chaibiscuits · Today 19:41

mydaughterisademon · Today 16:47

Firstly, I didn’t hate her. Her father earns nowhere near as much as me, so essentially it was my money she’s had, which if she had cancer, a miscarriage and sepsis, I would have happily given her. As we did.

I believe this is fraud by misrepresention. But I’ve tonight issued a civil claim against her too.

I of course know children and young adults get cancer, hence why we handed over the money. We wanted to support anyway we could. But without a doubt, confirmed, she was lying

Her upbringing wasn’t great, but neither was mine. I wouldn’t dream of doing this! I’m too honest!

She is obviously very mentally ill and needs support, access to services, counselling etc