AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK?

[bobbyydazzler]

Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK
UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

In Afghanistan, reporting it to the police would've have just got you arrested and beaten by them, perhaps, or certainly scolded for wasting their time and beaten more thoroughly by your husband. You'd have no escape, and he wouldnt be your ex; you'd still be getting beaten and raped by him to this day, while you bore and raised his children.

Don't try to pretend the UK is anywhere near as bad as other places, despite its admittedly awful failures of women.

How else would you cure a broken leg? Plaster cast is the usual treatment! No idea what you are saying here

I am baffled why Polish and Romanian men are so highly ranked as offenders, according to the stats cited.
Do they come from a particularly misogynist culture?

You forget Russia.

@LobeliaBaggins id say going by the stats we should be encouraging women and children and filtering out more men
We don't need thousand and thousands of men.

Surely we want to help the most vulnerable which is clearly the women and children

I am well aware of that fact

I looked up the 30s and 40s specifically because I'm aware of what happened in the 20s and in the 19th century

I'm a little hazy on the details, I admit it it's been a long time since I've read about this stuff. So I looked up the info specifically to see if that was in place, especially as the poster mentioned the 50s.

Ultimately, I don't think blaming any other country for decades old conflict and using it as a way to shape policy now makes any sense. I don't think whether or not we allow asylum seekerS from Afghanistan should be linked to what happened in the 1890s or any other time.

And for the people who think it is fair enough, how far back do they want to go? Or do they just enjoy endlessly bashing the country they live in?

And do they just want everybody who is already here to suffer -including people who came here from other countries years ago and made their life here because Britain represented everything they had run away from?

but yes, I challenged it because I found it a particularly extraordinary statement. I don't know enough about Iran or Iraq to comment on those, but I had to pick up that one.

Tbh I don't even care. I'm not accepting being punishment-raped for something unrelated people did long before I was born.

'Germany is acknowledging the unspeakable
A pattern of criminality is shattering taboos
Andrew Hammel

In spring 2024, Herbert Reul, Interior Minister of Germany’s most populous state(22 million inhabitants), Northern Rhine-Westphalia, said something remarkable: “We have a problem with non-German criminals.” What’s remarkable is not what Reul said but the fact that a centre-right politician from the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party said it. Nancy Faeser, Germany’s Interior Minister from the centre-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) — which courts voters of non-German ancestry — also said something which would have been branded far-right provocation just a few years ago: “We have to talk about the rise in crime by foreigners”.

What has moved the Overton Window is a stream of grim crime statistics
These statements may sound benign, but they shatter taboos. German politicos and journalists have long suppressed discussions of why certain groups of foreigners are overrepresented in crime statistics; Section 12 of the official German press code even forbids identifying the ethnic ancestry of criminals to combat “discrimination”. Any references to “crime by foreigners” (Ausländerkriminalität) as a distinct problem were met with charges of xenophobia and racism. What has moved the Overton Window is a stream of grim crime statistics published by government agencies or, just as frequently, leaked to journalists.

In 2023, according to official statistics, Germany registered 5.5 per cent more crimes than in the previous year. The number of suspects rose 7.3 per cent. 41 per cent were foreigners, an increase of 17.8 per cent. Asylum seekers(a category which excludes Ukrainian refugees)made up 18 per cent of the offenders, an increase of 18 per cent from 2022.

There were 214,000 violent crimes, a 15-year high and an increase of 8.6 per cent. Robberies were up 17.4 per cent, knife crimes 9.7 per cent. Homicides were up 2.1 per cent, sex crimes 2.4 per cent. Crimes involving knives nearly tripled between 2020 (10,121 incidents) and 2023 (26,230). An internal analysis leaked to the Welt newspaper showed that knife crimes in Northern Rhine-Westphalia shot up 45 per cent over a recent 12-month interval. Other statistics from that state: in 2023, 80.1 per cent of pickpockets were foreigners, as were 47.6 per cent of shoplifters, 47.3 per cent of burglars, 41.6 per cent of homicide suspects, and 37.1 per cent of suspects in violent sex crimes.
The Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence were also sobering. An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023. Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.

In 2023, there were 761 gang-rapes registered in Germany — almost two per day; 47.5 per cent of the suspects were foreigners. The frequency of such crimes — which were rare in Germany as late as the 1990s — has hovered between 600 and 800 per year for the past 7 years. The statistics go on for page after mind-numbing (or mind-boggling) page. Berlin’s police chief delivered the upshot: “Bluntly stated, our numbers show that violence in Berlin is young, male, and has a non-German background.” What is straining German law enforcement (and society) is the sheer number of young male asylum-seekers. Germany famously relaxed its border controls in 2015-2016, permitting an influx of some 1.3 million people from countries such as Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey.

Then as now, about 70 per cent of asylum-seekers were male and most are under 35 years old.Current numbers are off this peak but still high: in 2023, 351,000 asylum-seekers entered Germany, more than the population of Germany’s former capital Bonn. Most of these men have no German skills, little education (a 2016 study revealed only 34 per cent could read the Latin alphabet), no experience with alcohol, and no experience interacting with women not related to them.

They are no longer constrained by their families, and many live jammed into crowded refugee shelters. They can, however, travel freely, and watch pornography on their phones. They soon discover they can buy a bottle of grain liquor (Korn) from any corner shop for €5. With €400 in cash benefits each month, they can afford to indulge. You didn’t have to be an “Islamophobe” or “xenophobe” to see trouble on the horizon. Until recently, however, that’s what you were called if you predicted problems. In the late 2010s, the mainstream German media and political landscape united as one to endorse Chancellor Angela Merkel’s oath that “we can handle” the huge migrant influx (Wir schaffen das). A typical 2016 article in Deutsche Welle entitled “Immigration Reduces Crime” promised to explode the “myths” exploited by “populist rabble-rousers”. Now those “rabble-rousers” include leading politicians.

German immigration policies have been far to the left of majority sentiment for years

The populist-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party was the only party which opposed Merkel’s open-door policy, which had the effect of tripling its support in mere months. It has now become the second-largest party in Germany as the centre-left fades. On immigration at least, the AfD’s arguments fall on fertile soil: German immigration policies have been far to the left of majority sentiment for years. A 2017 survey by Chatham House, for instance, found 53 per cent of Germans wanted to stop all immigration from Muslim countries. Polls conducted before the recent European elections — in which Germany’s ruling “traffic light” (red-green-yellow) coalition was hammered — showed that Germans’ top concern (74 per cent) was that “crime will increase significantly” (a 22 per cent increase from 2019). 61 per cent feared “Islam will become too strong in Germany” (a 14 per cent increase). In 2017, a poll found 23 per cent of Germans felt “unsafe” in public spaces.

By 2024, the figure had nearly doubled to 40 per cent, with 43 per cent of women agreeing. Legendary German midfielder Toni Kroos, a Real Madrid star for the last 10 years, said he lets his teenage daughter roam free in Spain, but would now have doubts about letting her stay out late in a large German city because Germany is “not the same place it was 10 years ago.” In worldwide comparisons, Germany is, of course, still a very safe country, and it has so far forestalled the emergence of dangerous “no-go” areas. Yet crime statistics,along with an ongoing series of spectacular crimes committed by migrants, keep the issue front and centre. Meanwhile, political paralysis and bureaucratic inertia keep current policy frozen in place: In 2023, Germany granted 200,100 people(including 75,000 Syrians) citizenship.

Most Germans are frustrated by this chasm between what they want and what their government is willing to do. However, they can only lodge a protest vote for the AfD or a splinter party. The German Constitution essentially bans referendums and even no-confidence votes, and centre-right parties insist they will not collaborate with the AfD(for now). Germans will thus have to wait until September 2025 for national elections, which will likely install a centrist coalition which will be unable or unwilling to adopt major reforms. Meanwhile, alarming crime numbers will keep being published –or leaked. A deep desire for stability is encoded in the DNA of post-war Germany, but the next few years will see it tested to its limit.'

Of course they would, because then they're emotionally invested and biased. But that's not really relevant.

How about men who love their wives and children escort them to Britain, then, and then go back home? I know my husband would rather know I was safe, at least, and would do that willingly.

How many is too many?

The point I am making- perhaps badly- is that Indians, Romanians and Poles are not asylum seekers, so you can't just take the vulnerable women and children. They come on visas.

Yes, same for me. The one foreigner was my F, who was Czech. But it was hardly relevant where he came from. I think too much emphasis is being placed on nationality, personally.

Although obviously foreigners who are found guilty of sexual assault should be convicted, serve their sentences and then be reported.

Given where the fundamental misogyny in Afghanistan comes from, it seems particularly bonkers to blame the West. I mean FFS do we think women would ever have had any freedom at all then Afghanistan if the West hadn't been involved with them in previous centuries?

Bizarre isn't it

From what I've read, yes, they are very conservative in terms of sex roles, and quite misogynistic as cultures. Romania especially has huge issues with excessive alcohol consumption too, I believe. But someone else may know better than me.

I don’t think people know how bad it is. It’s so odd to see how willingly some would swap for something much worse.

First post nails it.

I also think that because rape sentences are so low in the UK, this sends the wrong message. Harsher sentences would be worth far more than a leaflet.
Oh, and actually reporting the rapist afterwards, but that almost never happens.

Ok, they're free to not make it then.

Couldn't find the link I was looking for but found this one

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/non-western-immigrants-commit-one-third-of-rapes-and-violent-crimes-in-denmark/

"Non-Western Immigrants Commit One-Third of Rapes and Violent Crimes in Denmark. 29.6% of the country’s violent crimes and 32.4% of rapes are committed by perpetrators from a non-Western background, despite only making up 10.6% of the population. Non-Western immigrants and their descendants are vastly overrepresented in Danish crime statistics."

"Maybe even more concerning are the figures for second-generation non-Western immigrants. Making up a mere 2.2% of the population, this demographic is responsible for 15.6% of the violent crimes and 8.1% of the rapes."

These numbers are very similar in most European countries that allow access to this type of data. Unless we start getting real about this conversation and openly talk about it in this country we are heading for even more serious issues. In some households people are raised to view women and anybody outside their own culture very differently to what the average UK citizen sees as acceptable. You can't force people to leave their culture or ideological views in their own country. However you can make changes that would help people assimilate better. You can be tougher on foreign criminals. You can try to stop undocumented migrants entering the country and hold them in facilities behind a fence until their identity is known.

What were womens rights like in these countries compared to Western Europe. I mean really, does anyone believe women were living it up before the west arrived?

Because a lot of this behaviour stems from cultural practices that have brutalised women for centuries. Alice Evans on twitter did and interesting bit where she posted excerpts fof the writings of visitors to the UK between 1700-1800 by chinese, Egyptian, turkish representatives. They were mostly horrified by the freedom women had, the mixing of sexes etc.

The rapes specifically are about cultures that sees women as nothing. Afghanistan had a short period of forced modernisation and then slipped back into being a shithole for women.

But the longer sentence suits them fine

Like another poster, I genuinely believe some of these people are actually trying to get into prison here because they know their asylum claim will fail.

That might seem like an outrageous statement. But some of the other stuff that I've been saying on here for years, posters are coming round to it. They're starting to see what the problem is. Either because it's finally come to their area or because they're actually paying attention to what's going on. It's happening far too slowly and it's gone way too far now to be solved in the straightforward way.

But I suppose at least I'm not being called racist or a coconut or whatever. Well, not publicly on the board anyway.

Many will ignore this

Also the reality is that they don't try because they'll be gang raped and possibly murdered. By the men then housed in our communities.

Look at Ceuta:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/08/19/ceuta-migrant-girls-transfer-spain-sexual-assaults/

It's a shame to see how the west has fallen