I read it all. It was whataboutery and I’be responded to it in full. I am talking about statistically significant differences in offending rates per the data.
The MOJ data was posted by a PP earlier in the thread and I performed an analysis of it per capita to make it representative.
It demonstrates very clearly that based on just ethnicity there are very significant variances in prosecutions and convictions for rape per capita by ethnicity, even though the vast majority of the data obviously will be British citizens or long-term residents of various ethnicities.
It’s also not possible to claim that this is because of racism in policing/ juries because there isn’t a significant difference between the rates of prosecutions and convictions in each category, and some of the ethnicities have a LOWER prosecution/ conviction rate per capita that white British men.
This data demonstrates that men from certain ethnicities pose a lower risk to women than white British men, but that the risk from men of some other specific ethnicities is far, far higher than from white British men. Ergo, the only explanation for this is cultural differences regarding the values these men are taught within their communities. It is no surprise that even though the vast majority of those in the overall data will of course be British citizens or long-term residents, these huge difference in risk profile and offending rates by ethnicity (sometimes many times as much) are far more prominent within communities which a) tend to isolate themselves from the rest of British society in enclaves where they are taught values and culture which do not align with the laws and values of the general population of the UK; and b) those cultures happen to have misogynistic views of women where they are not treated as equals.
Then we have the MOJ withholding what would be the more informative data, showing the statistics for violent and sexual crimes by nationality, rather than ethnicity. Given what the ethnicity data demonstrates already, it is obvious that there is likely to be an even larger gap between the offending rates between those who are British nationals (which will include those from the ethnic groups with higher offending rates who were born here or have naturalised so are British citizens) and those who have come here from other countries where they have never experienced life where women are treated equally by law and find this a totally alien concept.
You have made no response to this data.
What reason do you have for your attempted implication that those coming here from such countries (where misogynistic oppression of women is the norm, women are treated as property and sexual violence, harassment, rape, and child abuse goes unpunished or in some cases is legal) would have a similar or lower offending rate than those raised in the UK, where everyone knows it is illegal to rape or control women or discriminate against them in any way (whether they like these laws or not, they have grown up knowing about them and that they must comply with them)?
If you do genuinely believe that the MOJ data on the number of prosecuted/ convicted rapes by ethnicity is incorrect then surely you’ve made complaints to your MP about them publishing allegedly false data - have you? And if you really think that the risk profiles of all men are the same because allegedly culture has no impact on this, then are you campaigning for the MOJ to comply with the ICO data and release the data of offending by nationality? Presumably you would think this would support your viewpoint if you believe what you’re saying, so you would desperately want the data to be released? Why do you think they’re trying to stop it being published with spurious and ridiculous excuses?
Or, are you just trying to make disingenuous false equivalences and ignore the statistical data to shut down the discussion, so effectively you view women and children as acceptable collateral damage and that the increased risk of abuse/ rape/ murder to us all is - in your view - an acceptable price to pay to maintain your position that all cultures are equal and anybody who looks at the data proving it impacts the risks is racist?
Again: it’s not people’s race anybody cares about. It is the risks to women and specific men from specific countries post higher risks to our population, as the data shows. You don’t appear to have an answer to that. If you do, I’d like to hear it. Otherwise, it appears you are simply trying to shut down the discussion because you find the statistical, evidenced facts uncomfortable, and are prepared to put us and our children at risk just to protect your sensibilities.