AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK?

[bobbyydazzler]

Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK
UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

It is an immigration issue, as the data shows that immigrants are disproportionately represented as perpetrators of these type of sexual offences. Many of these men have no understanding of accepted levels of behaviour in the UK. I appreciate many indigenous men are also a problem, the difference is that indigenous men know it’s wrong, but ignore the law, where many immigrants don’t see what the issue is, as the law and expectations here in the UK, and in the West in general, are often very different to where they come from.

This data is about convictions.
I bet that courts/juries are more ready to convict foreign nationals, hence the higher % relative to population.
With British men being accused, it often descends into 'he said / she said' and conviction rates are abysmally low.

Always read statistics with your wits about you and look for the gaps.

Unfortunately yes. I certainly started receve sexual harassment from around age 12, sometimes when in school uniform. This was a small town in the 90, so almost exclusively British nationals.

As I've got older my faith in men has only dropped lower then this gutter high start point.

But we don't. Sentencing is derisory, no wonder they take it as licence to do their worst.

Him being a bad person doesn't change whether the policy was good or not. It's at least something.

We are allowing men to enter this country that believe girls marrying at the age of 9 is acceptable.
What can possibly go wrong😬.

This video is approximately three minutes long and gives you a good idea of how men from certain other cultures think about raping women:

"what about the consequences of raping a woman though?" Asks Ross Kemp, "what about the impact on her?"

"Well yes, she might scream and wake somebody up. Or we might get an STI"

Life for 12 year old girls is worse in Kabul, Khartoum and Mogadishu. Yes you were SHed. That's disgusting and horrible and vile. Girls in Sudan face rape by armed paramilitary groups. It's not comparable.

oh, that's alright then... 😣

I can't believe you wrote that!

Says it all. Wow. Clearly they have a very different outlook on the consequences to us, no matter how many times people shout “white men rape too”.

I did!

I have seen several cases where the defendant - or at least his representative - has used ignorance of the law as an excuse.

In one case a man from Iraq having surgery in a London hospital pushed a passing woman into a cupboard and raped her and the defence was he had a sheltered upbringing and didn’t know that women outside the family weren’t “available”.

One of the Brighton beach rapists freely admitted to thinking there was no difference between sex and rape.

And yet all these men are permitted to wander freely here with no background checks in addition to views that are majorly at odds with our society.

I think it's also important to point out that it is illegal, MOHRE investigates and most importantly... As much of modern slavery anywhere, it is done predominantly by their own countrymen. You can very clearly see the behaviour based on caste from management to workers

If you look at my post at 10:26 today I posted a spreadsheet analysing the data a PP provided for both prosecutions and convictions by percentage of UK population for each ethnicity.

I think it was a Qatari and a toilet cubicle. Disgusting though.

The British state has just spent decades colluding with Pakistani men and covering up their crimes as they raped and tortured tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of British girls. We don't need you to "bet" on the things that the apparatus of our rotten state will or will not do to skew the figures when it comes to foreign rapists.

I can only read the second sheet, the first is small and fuzzy.
There is something odd about the second sheet. Looking at the row for white British, number of prosecutions per 10k population is 0.6702, but number of convictions is 0.6897. How can convictions be higher than prosecutions?

I note that there are not columns for for conviction and prosecution rates relative to the size of the population for each ethnicity, only relative to total population, so the vital data is actually missing.

That's a good lesson in not believing all you read in the papers (and other media), isn't it?

I've often been told some shocking thing, usually by my mother in law, done a bit of fact checking, and found out it's an interesting mix of half-truth and utter bollocks. When I discuss it with her, and point out that there were errors, incorrect conclusions, stats misleadingly presented etc, she just shrugs and says "Oh, I didn't know that".

Fuck knows where she gets her news from.

I was talking about the willingness of the jury to convict once it comes to trial, not about the behaviour of the police or CPS.

Are you ok with the system as it is? When there’s crimes occurring as we can’t check backgrounds properly is it a price worth paying? in your view

If you're talking about workers in the Gulf, the reality is that those jobs represent the best opportunity they will ever have - the failing lies with their home countries.

I certainly think issues around consent should be covered in PSE or whatever it's called this week.

I remember that case. He claimed to be a simple camel herder who had no idea rape was wrong. Utter lies of course - just another chancing bastard with a soft, gullible Western justice system.

It is.

You'll need some evidence then. I can only find a study around conviction rates by ethnicity, which shows virtually no difference in jury conviction rates between white and BAME. This is a different distinction to foreign/native, but it counters your "bet" on systemic bigotry as a means of explaining away the data.