AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK?

[bobbyydazzler]

Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK
UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

You could do that, I guess. Might be a bit hard to ban, say, Rishi Sunak's inlaws from visiting the UK on the grounds they might seek asylum.

There's a reason why Trump didn't put S Asia on the list.
But I think you are being facetious.

We could have a lower tier where entrance is heavily restricted? You're making it seem we can't restrict and control who enters, we can.

We already have that, which is why migration has fallen sharply.
And unis are collapsing too.

Trump has another 20 on a partial travel ban. You could and can just restrict people from countries that aren't really compatible with Western values.

Higher education funding in the UK has been a complete mess for years.

Apprenticeships are the way to go TBF

Looks like Burnham won't have any pushback on his plans to spread the intake of asylum seekers @Constantinoodle and @Limeandfigs are doing a great job in showing how welcoming they will be. Armed with so much information on Afghans they will do a great job in leading from the front. Where do they sign up?

Not RTFT, it's so depressing.
I'm glad I'm old & won't have to see much more change in the UK. Unfortunately my kids & grandkids will.
Accuse me of racism if you want - water off a duck's back - I just don't see why stupid laws can't be changed & the lot of them sent back to wherever they came from.
How they must laugh at this country. :-(

As you have not RTFT you won't know that no one has been accused of racism, actually.

No they have just been subjected to the usual nothing to see here tactic.

Asking for clarity or sensible policy suggestions is not ' nothing to see'. One pp posted about vetting for criminals. That seemed worth exploring.

All the frenzied listing of places you never want to visit seems deeply pointless. Or includingTrump's list of 'shithole' countries, which include Cuba and Venezuela.

Seriously?

It's as though the Islamic revolution was just a dream.

Sensible questions and discussion is different to telling people they are singling out cultures because they are racist. That has been alluded to, so not sure why you're saying otherwise.

They were, actually, but I reported the comment (not aimed towards me) and it was deleted. It's also been heavily implied that race is the issue, when in fact I think culture, and the extreme misogyny in some countries, is clearly the issue for at least 90% of people.

I'd like to know why people think certain countries have such terrible human rights for women, and such exceedingly high rates of sexual and domestic violence, if the men themselves are apparently no more likely to offend against women and girls than British born men are? What's the logic, there?

your logic is flawed. You think because this information is given to all immigrants, that all immigrants need to be told this. They don’t. The vast majority of immigrants, asylum seekers, refugees are well aware that rape is wrong. The same as most british born men know it’s wrong. There will always been those who don’t care. And they come from every country, religion, social class, profession, sexuality, gender expression and skin colour.

The vast majority of immigrants, asylum seekers, refugees are well aware that rape is wrong.

Why do you think that?

The attached are 2016 results on % of men who endorse non-consensual sex in at least one of four scenarios. European highest is Romania at 55%, lowest is Sweden at 6%.

The idea that all cultures basically have the same morality on this issue just isn’t supportable by the data.

This, basically.

It's an absolute joke.

There are huge amounts of uneducated, young men of a different religion and culture here, who do not work. Why??? Why are they in Britain??

How about... And hear me out... What if we actually punished rapists? Just all rapists, no matter their skin colour, religion, nationality. What if when a man rapes a woman we actually make it ruin his life, rather than calling her a liar and protecting him?

"Not all men" just all brown men, or Muslim men, or foreign men 🙄 you know who's telling you that? White men.

I think it because the majority of immigrants don’t rape people. simple as that.

That study only includes Europeans, and also includes the U.K. where between 22 and 29 peecent of people also thought it was ok and certain parameters and that’s PEOPLE, not men. That can’t be extrapolated out to the number of immigrants believing anything.

Then your thinking is indeed too simple.

Because you made a different claim that goes well beyond that, for which there doesn't seem to be good evidence at all.

Worse, you seemed to be using it to conclude that there isn't really much significant difference between different countries [etc.], i.e. there is a small minority of men who don't know rape is wrong and they are from all over.

It's not a small minority, at least based on the Eurobarometer data, and while they are indeed from all over, the range is huge (from 6% Sweden to 55% Romania).

OK, a few things:

i) Europeans can be immigrants too, surely?

ii) Your claim was about people (not men), so was the survey. But that feels like a red herring. Unless you think it's mainly the women answering that rape is fine, and that the data for men would look much better.

iii) I did look for global data. I didn't find any that specifically asked about beliefs about rape (I was looking at your specific claim, because I was curious to know if the data bore it out). I did find a UN Asia Pacific survey asking men whether they had committed rape, and again found a very wide range of response, from 2.5% yes in Bangladesh to 25% ish in Papua New Guinea. So that didn't really support the idea that country, culture etc is irrelevant either.

iv) Ultimately, this is your claim. If the data is so bad that no conclusion can be drawn, what are you doing making it?

Two problems with this:

1. Our detection rates, let along conviction rates, are tiny.

2. Even if they were 100%, punishment only happens after the crime. Preventing the crime would be better.

There's a logically reasonable argument that goes: "well, why is it worse that foreigners rape in the UK than they rape in their home countries?".

But I think the responsibility a govt has is primarily to its own people.

3. At least on this thread, no-one has said "all [x] men" are anything. I don't think I've ever heard anyone make that claim ever. It's a made-up deflection.

Who here has claimed that white men and/or British born men (not the same thing) don't have unacceptable levels of sexual violence? It's just statistically going to be lower than men from countries where misogyny and sexual violence is extremely high.

Do you understand the issue with country being at war, being very poor, and being "governed" by backward terrorists? Believe me, any country in this situation would not be a place to visit. As an example, you were given Dubai - a country with exact same views of females as Afganistan but "safe" and wealthy.
You also chose to ignore the statistic showing Polish and Romanians committing a high number of sex crimes - both nations are white and Christisn. And, you can visit Poland and Romania for a holiday with zero issues.