AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK?

[bobbyydazzler]

Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK
UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

Agree with you @shuggles

Shocked the guardian deleted your comment. Not really.

Some of these stats are really concerning.

”In 2023, there were 761 gang-rapes registered in Germany — almost two per day; 47.5 per cent of the suspects were foreigners.”

That’s shocking. I mean, how do you explain or excuse that? I’m sure someone would say the majority (52.5%) are German 🙄

Again, Turkish people are not asylum seekers.
It's a very muddled thread.
Or I am muddled, maybe.

It's one thing to say you are wary of undocumented men seeking asylum.Fine. It's another thing to then provide stats to show another group of men- not asylum seekers- are allegedly committing crimes. And then conflate the two. If you want to throw out all non-Western immigrants, the economy will collapse.

People are going to have to make better arguments.

Why are we allowing undocumented men into the U.K. from countries where 99% of British women would not want to live or travel. Where we would be stoned to death for not covering our hair, where it’s normal to have period huts, where girls once menstruating are considered fair game and can be married? Just does not make sense to me. I remember going to Istanbul when I was 14 and being physically groped as I walked around the market. Who wants that here?

A booklet is an excellent way to teach newcomers about how they should not rape women. They forgot to include men specifically elderly men dragged behind the church grounds.
It is pathetic.
To add insult to injury, you “could” receive a prison sentence,
In the meantime sexual assaulting people will continue.
Reading about delivery driver’s sexual assaulting children, exposing themselves, hassling the young women who they deliver food too. The hardest part is training yourself not to randomly say hello to people, as some think it means that you want to have sex with them now.
I had to collect DD late last Saturday locally. I hopped on the tram, a man let me go in front of him, I smiled said thank you, of course he assumed I meant sit beside me on the empty tram, try talking to me. I was so fired up about it, he knew he sat beside the wrong woman, as this is the reason DD can’t get the tram home alone. I had deep heat spray and a sharp key ring in my handbag. I would have battered him if he followed me. 🫣

These statistics don't give the whole picture though. Suppose for example that a higher proportion of cases involving a foreign national result in a conviction. That could be due to juror bias or inherent unfairnesses in our legal system. A more helpful statistic might be the proportion of foreign nationals prosecuted for rape rather than convicted - although even that figure won't necessarily paint an entirely accurate picture.
Either way, surely it's better to remind people moving to the UK what our laws are. With the threat of deportation if they break those laws.

Does per capita representation not mean anything to you

I find it quite devastating, I often don't post on these threads because it's just too depressing. You can see it all around you. So really, I should use my Internet time for better things.

Few people from the EU or the countries you mention want to come to the UK. Why would they? Their own countries are doing better. Poland is one of the top ten destinations for UK immigrants.

May I ask what changed?

Quite a few apparently. Crazy ‘be kind’ times we live in.

What also gets overlooked is that how is it remotely fair poaching doctors and nurses from less well-off countries, after the taxpayers of those countries have funded their training? We need to train our own.

I don't have any problem with international students, as long as it's reputable unis and not visa factory type places. I don't have a problem with them applying for work visas if they meet the criteria.
If they finish their degree and apply for asylum though, they should be laughed onto the nearest plane.

The thread has a few who think it’s better than the west, the UK or London

Yes, hence the eye roll at the ridiculousness of it.

You won't need to worry very soon as reputable unis are already collapsing.

Secondary schools have PHSE lessons that cover this type of thing. For example Andrew Tate and his gang are often discussed in those classes. The goverment education department were very proactive regarding Tate at his peek in the UK. Schools will all teach stuff and discuss stuff differently but most type to do a good job when it comes to important topics like this. My own school not only have PHSE lessons but during form time group discussions on sensitive but important subjects often happen.

Whoops lmao. Didn't realise we were both on the same side.

The big issue here with doctors is that the accomplished and experienced doctors in say India want to come here as they see our rates of pay as attractive compared to theirs. SO they apply for jobs well below their actual pay grade and their experience means our own trained doctors cant get the jobs they need to qualify/get experience etc SO they go to Australia.

@Octavia64 "as a country, we can just stop immigration. But there would be a massive, massive impact on our universities, our hospitals, our life generally."

I might have missed it, but I don't think anyone on this thread has argued for completely stopping immigration.

The difference is our culture knows that rape is wrong. That we should respect women and ask about consent. Yes, there are perverts who don’t care about the impact and will sexually assault women, however the majority of parents in European culture do their upmost duty to teach their children how to speak up if it happens to them and tell our boys how wrong it is, we don’t normalise rape or sexual abuse or marrying children, we strongly condemn this behaviour.
It is normalised in many cultures.
A right, something that happens daily on the street, mixing these two cultures together is a recipe for disaster, women are there for the taking.

How are Polish and Romanians so high on the list then?

I agree with you. (Also I am sure rape is illegal in every country on the planet (not talking about marital rape obviously.)

Was just thinking this. As women we are lucky to live in a society where rape, beatings, killings, no education & no employment are a not commonly a part of our lives.

No actually you can have sex outside of marriage in Dubai if 18 and over. It used to be illegal but I guess the number of foreigners meant they had to make an age of consent law (instead of solely minimum age of marriage.)

Don't forget don't physically assault, murder, steal from etc. I mean if we are not totally clear on every law it will be the excuse they did not know.