AIBU to think the PM is ignoring the asylum issue?

[BusyDog]

I’m firmly working class, and I don’t believe that what we need is to spread the asylum seekers around more. The reason I’m annoyed is not because I don’t want them housed by the middle class, but because I think it’s completely ignoring the problem. I think we need secure detention centres whilst the country either approves the application or sends them off home. These will be safe, food provided, clothes, play areas for the children. The accommodation will have the basics like temporary housing does but they can’t leave until application approved or sent home. But they can’t leave and roam UK unless their application is accepted. Anyone who is violent etc and makes it not safe will automatically be sent home.
I liked this prime minister as I thought he had both feet on the ground, but it seems not….!
If he admits it’s not fair only working class has to deal with it, then surely, he admits it’s a problem and he’s not actually addressing it?

YANBU = PM ignoring actual issue
YABU = Issue is that only working class have to deal with them

Yes, if people can enter by any means under international law they will.

Burnham may have felt things had worked and he was fine but new supply chains will be found.

You're saying drown them.

At least the mask is off.

Disgusting.

Fair point, and many appeals go on for years. A more speedy process would be beneficial all round.

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Yes I hope he focuses on issues that affect the UK first and foremost.

We have crumbling schools, crumbling public services, crumbling roads (half of them are also shut and they're still crumbling when they reopen), crumbling social care, litter everywhere, poor resource provision for new housing areas, barely any fucntional and affordable public services, no new reservoirs built

The list is endless

Palestine has no place to be discussed by the UK government. The only thing that needs discussion around that is that Jewish people in the UK need protection from people who feel justified to attack them for something that is happening in another country.

The country is in drought, crops are failing and the place is burning down

There are slightly more pressing concerns than something which can wait until Parliament returns after the summer recess

Labour have asked the French to puncture boats, they have done, not with people in them though.

I think the threat profile is much wider than that, and I am much more concerned about the threats from other countries.

He might have skipped his holiday in that case.

Yes make no documents a criminal offence, we know they destroy them

Yes, I agree. The rise in antisemitism of late is shocking and our Jewish friends and neighbours don't feel safe.

The Indian government consistently enforces a strict "detect, detain, and deport" policy for undocumented non-citizens, directly defying international human rights appeals.

What do you think Andy can do by spending any time himself on any of those?

But I haven't made that claim, just that immigration isn't the main driver behind the issues that most concern me. There's no need to keep engaging if you can't back up your claims that it is.

No, we are saying we want tougher measures to stop feeling unsafe.

He cannot not talk about it for much longer that is for sure.
One hope is that he seems to pick up and understand what bothers people. He can read the room. Or seems to be able to. Something Starmer lacked.
Mahmood also can I think.
The other thing I like about him so far is that he seems to have the approach of ‘where there is a Will there is a way’. Something I wholeheartedly agree with.
You do have to have a team of people around you that grasp the issues, recognise a problem and are intent on resolving it. He will be bored of being told what cannot be done.
Asylum should be very low for this country.
Legal immigration is largely driven by universities and employers. Both need to look to hire fewer overseas than in the past.
So we wait to see before we judge.
What I also like about him is that he is prepared to push back. If his Civil servants give him answers which are not okay he tells them to go back and try harder. Eg. The early release scheme.

I’m surprised there aren’t any left wing political parties that have a really tough stance on migration. I think they would be really popular. I’ve always voted Tory and not Labour, mainly because I always know that left wing parties are softer on immigration ( not that the Tories did much about it either).

But deep down I think I am quite left wing liberal politically.

A lot of people are concerned about Reform gaining ground and possibly winning the next election. And now, Burnham saying he’s going to distribute migrants to more middle class towns ‘to make it fair’, I bet there will be loads of middle class Labour voters, who will be secretly voting for Reform at the next election.

I find the lack of action from both the Cons and Labour over this issue really alarming. They had a Cobra meeting about the drought last week. Why isn’t this issue being treated with urgency?

Yes, I'm sure that's what bogstandardname meant when they said "putting it bluntly". 🙄

A trade war with Europe which is the most likely outcome as retaliation for operation Fortress. Associated market uncertainty. Rocketing costs of servicing our national debt. The outcome could be very, very bleak. Think Liz Truss on steroids.

Other countries are a threat, absolutely.

Putin is increasingly desperate and that’s a bad thing.

You cannot discount the threat from sleeper cells entering illegally because of that though.

The 'tougher measure' of murder?

Why do you want dangerous illegal migrants in this country?

How does only talking about that resolve it faster? Not sure why he can deal with various things including write articles on Arday but not mention what is impacting people now, eg Piddington.

Maybe he doesn't want to be associated with the Labour party anti-Israel faction.

I have.

You haven’t.