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AIBU to think my friend should just accept I am marrying her ex?

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BePearlTiger · Today 10:45

I’m 35 and have been with my partner for 4 years. We actually met again completely by chance after many years of not seeing each other, hit it off, were messaging for a week or so and decided to go on a date and he asked to meet up for a coffee and a walk. Before we had even been on our first date, I told my friend that we had hit it off messaging and we’re going for coffee because I wanted to be upfront with her.

He had been her boyfriend at university when they were around 18–20. They were together for about 2 years. They broke up nearly 20 years ago and obviously people change enormously between 18 and 36.

When I told her, after a couple time of meeting him that we are officially seeing each other I specifically asked if she had a problem with it. She said no, so I took that at face value. I wasn’t sneaking around or getting into a relationship with her ex behind her back. I actually even told her before we’d been on the first date.

We’ve now been together for 4 years. We moved in together & he proposed earlier this year and I said yes. We’re very happy, are buying a house together and would like to have children. We have a wedding date set for next June, invitations have gone out and our university friends have been absolutely lovely about it , RSVPs, messages, people booking hotels etc. They’re genuinely excited for us.

When I told this particular friend about the engagement, she said, “Oh, are you going to marry my ex?” I reminded her that we’d been together for 4 years and that I had told her about us from the very beginning. She then said that she’d only said she had no problem with it because she didn’t think we would last.
That has really thrown me.

I completely understand that she might have complicated feelings about it. I’m not trying to tell her how she should feel. But at some point, surely you have to accept that this was a relationship from university when you were 18 years old?

It’s not as though they were together for 15 years, were engaged, had children or had some huge life together. They were university sweethearts for a couple of years, nearly 20 years ago. She has since married, had children and divorced. He and I have now built an actual adult life together over the last four years.

And honestly, I find it particularly difficult because I had exactly the reverse situation myself. One of my friends married someone I had dated at university. I was 18. They got together years later and eventually married and have children. I genuinely didn't have an issue with it. I thought, “We were teenagers at university, life moved on,” and I was happy for them.

So I’m struggling with why I’m apparently supposed to feel guilty now.

I also wonder whether this friendship may simply be worth losing if this is something she can’t move past. Obviously I’d rather not lose a friend, but I don’t think I can spend the rest of my life feeling that I’ve done something wrong by marrying my partner.

All our other university friends seem completely happy for us and are looking forward to the wedding. Nobody else seems to see this as some enormous betrayal.

AIBU to think she needs to let this go? I can understand her feeling upset, but I don’t think she gets a veto over a relationship that started nearly 20 years after theirs ended.

Or am I being completely insensitive about the fact that, regardless of how long ago it was, he will always be “her ex” to her?

OP posts:
Bigcat25 · Today 14:02

fuckeditupbadly · Today 13:50

From 20 years ago?? Really?

There was an 11 or 12 year gap, not 20. (Yes I realize this is still a long time.)

RunningRhino · Today 14:02

Have a great life and marriage!

She thinks she knows him better than you which is strange.

definitely don’t invite her to the wedding, you’ll be worrying all day and I think you just have to let the friendship fade

BePearlTiger · Today 14:03

AtIusvue · Today 13:56

Makes no difference if she married or not. Being with someone from 18-20 is a huge part of your young life. Yes, very clearly they were first loves. Like most first loves, the relationship ends and life moves on.

Except hers doesn’t totally move on because her friend is dating him!

You have to accept this was a committed relationship and they did once love each other. Yes it was a long time ago, but you seem super sensitive and are trying to downplay their relationship. Seriously, get over it.

Just as your friend has to accept and get over that you’re getting married.

Stop feigning shock at her reaction and maybe distract yourself with more pleasant things like wedding planning, rather trying to make a friend feel guilty and making yourself/relationship feel superior.

I agree but also there’s comes a time. He has never been married if she really wanted to rekindle things she could have done that. They have not talked since he ended the relationship when they were both 20 years old they’re now 36.

Our close friend is now married to my “first love” I baby sit their kids, I am so happy for them time has passed and I haven’t even been married to anyone or has children yet I can be happy for my friend. Or she could have distanced herself from me if the relationship bothered her but from the sounds of it she was hoping it failed as she said verbatim she did not think it would last.

OP posts:
Velumental · Today 14:04

The guy I was with from 18-20, I'd be horrified if a friend married him, but only because it's this little pocket of memories I have that are good and bad but also only seen from perspective and I can remember without having to remotely consider him as a person anymore. Hard to put into words exactly what I mean.

However if a current friend married him I'd find it so uncomfortable, it would be my problem to deal with but he was the first person I slept with, my first proper true love, there's so much of my history tied up in those memories if hate to have them disturbed.

I'd suck it up and maybe have some therapy I wouldn't kick up a stink because I'd understand I was being mental. But I do see why it's uncomfortable

WhyDontILearn · Today 14:04

Missey85 · Today 11:02

Are you serious WTH I'd be pissed too ☹️ I certainly wouldn't be ok with it what did you think would happen if you got with your friends ex? Your no friend to anybody I'd cut contact with you

Thats absolutely unhinged.

GoldenSandy · Today 14:04

She must be furious as in the bigger picture of your whole lives at some point you'll look back on her as just the person you met each other through.

Let her be bitter. She's taken advantage of your initial offer to end it before it starts but that voucher has expired, no takesy-backsies.
It must be hard to receive those negative guilt tripping messages when you should be celebrating your engagement and looking ahead.

Does she not have close friends outside of the group that she can just call and complain to? Then she can just get it out her system, and then put on a smile or if it's too much she can just quietly fade into the background.

If I was her and I had a problem with it I would call up a friend who isn't known to OP and have a good cry, swear, shout, whatever I needed to, to this other friend. I wouldn't make my feelings OP's problem.

If she was happy in her life she wouldn't care in the slightest. If she gets nasty don't worry as there's nothing she can do to hurt you.

I wonder if your man secretly fancies you all those years ago but was trapped with the first degree clinger, and when he bumped into you finally got his chance!

bakingdisasterqueen · Today 14:06

Lots of goady pearl clutching posters on here today.

I don't know who made up the 'rule' - thou shalt not date an acquaintance's ex - but they obviously don't live in a real world where paths cross.

OP, ignore the fucked up so called relationship advice and do what's right for you. Your 'friend' is feeling sorry for herself because she's come out of a failed marriage and is trying to guilt you to make herself feel better. Even if she carries a torch for the guy (seriously doubt it) he presumably doesn't feel the same.

Velumental · Today 14:06

BePearlTiger · Today 14:03

I agree but also there’s comes a time. He has never been married if she really wanted to rekindle things she could have done that. They have not talked since he ended the relationship when they were both 20 years old they’re now 36.

Our close friend is now married to my “first love” I baby sit their kids, I am so happy for them time has passed and I haven’t even been married to anyone or has children yet I can be happy for my friend. Or she could have distanced herself from me if the relationship bothered her but from the sounds of it she was hoping it failed as she said verbatim she did not think it would last.

Did he disappear from your life for 15 years then reappear?

andthat · Today 14:06

BePearlTiger · Today 13:19

Fair enough everyone is different. My friend married my ex from when I was in my late teens, I was so happy for them even now happy enough that I baby sit their children from time to time. You don’t own people at all. If I was married to him and had children and divorced then yes that’s weird but that was not the case we were teens/ in early adulthood.

@BePearlTiger you keep repeating this, but it’s irrelevant what you felt when your friend married an ex.

This friend is finding it strange. Stop being so defensive about that!

just speak to her… ‘hey friend… I know you’re finding this strange… even though you dated a long time ago, I appreciate that it’s thrown up some feelings for you. I’d never want you to be anything other than happy, so I hope it’s something you can come to terms with’

Then get in with your life!

Rondayvu · Today 14:09

Wait wait wait so she was waiting for your relationship of currently 4 years to faill so she could swoop in as she misses him? And she does not in the least see the irony in the fact if that had happened she would have wanted YOU to be happy for her? Some people are hilarious.

Best of luck with the marriage OP. Leave her to sulk.

GoldenSandy · Today 14:11

Velumental · Today 14:04

The guy I was with from 18-20, I'd be horrified if a friend married him, but only because it's this little pocket of memories I have that are good and bad but also only seen from perspective and I can remember without having to remotely consider him as a person anymore. Hard to put into words exactly what I mean.

However if a current friend married him I'd find it so uncomfortable, it would be my problem to deal with but he was the first person I slept with, my first proper true love, there's so much of my history tied up in those memories if hate to have them disturbed.

I'd suck it up and maybe have some therapy I wouldn't kick up a stink because I'd understand I was being mental. But I do see why it's uncomfortable

Absolutely - this other woman needs to sort herself out.

I feel embarrassed for her, going to your ex's bride and declaring you aren't over him 😂
She could talk to literally anybody else about her feelings but leave the happy couple alone.

I'm secretly hoping she'll pop up on MN "AIBU: throwing a tantrum because a woman I went to uni with who I've not seen in years is now marrying a man I went out with for 5 minutes about 15 years ago"

KiwiFall · Today 14:12

BePearlTiger · Today 14:03

I agree but also there’s comes a time. He has never been married if she really wanted to rekindle things she could have done that. They have not talked since he ended the relationship when they were both 20 years old they’re now 36.

Our close friend is now married to my “first love” I baby sit their kids, I am so happy for them time has passed and I haven’t even been married to anyone or has children yet I can be happy for my friend. Or she could have distanced herself from me if the relationship bothered her but from the sounds of it she was hoping it failed as she said verbatim she did not think it would last.

Again you cannot put your logic into someone else. It happened to me and I dealt with it this way so she should too is wrong. She’s not telling you to end this relationship but see her perspective. Have some empathy and compassion. Maybe your outlook should be I need to accept my fiancé was once my friends ex as thats the truth. This is supposed to be a friend. Someone who was your friend before your fiancé and you got together.

Maybe she didn’t try and reconnect because she was humiliated and heartbroken the first time and was too scared for that to happen again.

PoliteGreyDreamer · Today 14:13

RunningRhino · Today 14:02

Have a great life and marriage!

She thinks she knows him better than you which is strange.

definitely don’t invite her to the wedding, you’ll be worrying all day and I think you just have to let the friendship fade

'She thinks she knows him better than you which is strange.'

I wonder if this is really what is getting the OP's back up. The friend does know this man intimately, even if the man she knew intimately is an old version of him.

I don't think the friend has a claim to him, but at the same time, OP can't demand the friend completely purge herself of any feeling of claim to this man either. She did get in there first after all...

BePearlTiger · Today 14:13

I think it’s safe to say the friendship has run its course. I can’t possible stay friends with someone who can’t be honest with me or someone who can say to me that she hoped that my relationship wouldn’t last. I think you only live once, we are happy, I do love him and I’m excited for our life it’s only just started maybe it’ll be a long marriage maybe it won’t, but for now I’m excited, I love him he makes me feel so so loved and happy.

I think there’s far worse things that can be done. Yes he is her ex but also they were never married nor did they have children and it’s not as though we started saying eachother two day after they broke up. Time has passed, she has had children with another man, has been married if she really wanted to rekindle during that time she could have contacted him he’s never married, he’s been in relationships but she somehow thinks she still knows him or knows him better (when in reality she is stuck in time not many people stay the exact same from 20 - 36) than I do, it’s been almost 5 years together. I’m not asking her to be the god parent to our children, I’m asking her to just be honest with me form the get go, she’s had a lot of time, there’s no time limit but also she has constantly told me she is happy for us etc and now we are engaged and have planned the wedding it’s a different story ? It’s confusing.

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UraniumFlowerpot · Today 14:16

You haven’t done anything wrong.

It’s not that strange that she might think she’s ok with it initially but then isn’t when it progresses. Let her feel what she feels.

Of course you’re not going to end a serious relationship because a friend doesn’t like it. Especially a not very close friend. Ditto people on the internet. You’ve made your decision, acted in a way you’re happy with, not everyone likes it, so what?

Does losing this friend have any wider consequences for you? Are you worried her reaction will cause others in the group to distance themselves from you or judge you? That would be the part to focus on, if anything.

IJustMight · Today 14:24

PeachMelbaYoghurt · Today 13:53

You're not listening OP!!

As I've already said, a first boyfriend does not equal first love. You are being ridiculous to think that he couldn't have been her first love because he wasn't her first boyfriend. Some people might have 10 boyfriends but not have their first love until the 11th!

Nor can you state that he did not hurt her. He ended their relationship, you don't think she was hurt by that? He was the one that got away. People sometimes never truly get over that.

You are blind, narrow-minded and insensitive. I'm glad you're not my friend.

Your friend does not have to accept that you are marrying her ex, and that is her prerogative. Go live your life and stop all the drama.

You are coming across too immature to get married!!

Edited

The problem here is solidly the 'friend', not the OP. OP hasn't done anything wrong.

And the immature one here is the 'friend' who, for whatever reason, is taking her life problems out on the OP.

shuggles · Today 14:28

@BePearlTiger That sounds very strange.

It's an "ex" partner. The whole point of an "ex" partner is that you've decided that you no longer want to be in a relationship with that person.

So she decided she did not want this man for a relationship, but now she's saying that she does want him for a relationship? What on earth is that about?

Northernlights19 · Today 14:29

Ugh I could never date a friend's ex. Wouldn't care if a friend dated my ex's but I wouldn't date theirs. It's probably a me issue but if we were having sex I'd be thinking "ugh you've been inside my friend!"

They're just my feelings. Those aside, it sounds like you're worried he still has a thing for her. It's really common for people who dated in uni to get back together many years later, even after divorces etc. Also I don't understand why you've been saying you're confused", there's nothing confusing about it.

IJustMight · Today 14:31

bakingdisasterqueen · Today 14:06

Lots of goady pearl clutching posters on here today.

I don't know who made up the 'rule' - thou shalt not date an acquaintance's ex - but they obviously don't live in a real world where paths cross.

OP, ignore the fucked up so called relationship advice and do what's right for you. Your 'friend' is feeling sorry for herself because she's come out of a failed marriage and is trying to guilt you to make herself feel better. Even if she carries a torch for the guy (seriously doubt it) he presumably doesn't feel the same.

Completely agree with you.

I'm actually genuinely concerned about the number of people who think the OP has behaved outrageously by dating/getting engaged to someone who dated a friend over a decade ago, a young romance that ran its course as most do. Seriously. By that standard, everyone anyone has ever dated should be off limits to swathes of people. Ridiculous.

I had a semi-serious relationship in my 20s. We even lived together for 6 months, then realised it wasn't working for whatever reason, and ended it. A mutual friend quite liked him and I knew that. I encouraged her to go for it as I actually thought they might be better suited. They were. I went to their wedding and we are all still friends (albeit we live in different places now, but stay in touch) to this day. It's called maturity.

I genuinely think a lot of people have a lot of growing up to do. Life it too short.

lulubalu · Today 14:38

Wow OP, you've somehow stirred up a right hornet's nest here
Maybe you've hit a sore spot with some posters
Fwiw I would have zero feelings if you told me your were going on a date with my 'first love' from my Uni days.
The only surprise bit would be to suddenly have him back in my orbit if we were for example to start hanging out on double dates.
If you subsequently decided to marry, I hope I'd be happy for you.
The thought that you shouldn't date a friend's ex really depends on the circumstances and in the scenario you describe, your friend is being a bit ridic (IMO)
In your shoes, I'd crack on, marry the man, ditch the friend and (hopefully) live happily ever after. The End.

mulberrymilk · Today 14:41

BePearlTiger · Today 11:28

I haven’t said she isn’t allowed to feel how she feels. I just think it’s been almost 20 years she met and married and had children since then. She couldn’t even remember what undergraduate degree he studied. I think it’s safe to say he’s changed a lot from age 18 to 36.

Well, you have actually. It's in your very title.

You want her to "just accept" that you are marrying her ex.

In most friendship groups, it is considered off limits to even date someone one of your friends has previously dated. But here you are, expecting her to "just accept" you marrying her ex, minimising the time she spent with him, minimising or brushing off that he may have had any significance to her, while pointing out he ended it. Saying she doesn't even know him.

I wonder how he would feel, were he to read them, about your callous words about her.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 14:50

Missey85 · Today 11:02

Are you serious WTH I'd be pissed too ☹️ I certainly wouldn't be ok with it what did you think would happen if you got with your friends ex? Your no friend to anybody I'd cut contact with you

But OP was upfront with her from the start - her friend had no problem with it. That was four years ago and they’ve been together ever since. And it turns out that the friend was only OK with it because she didn’t think it would last. Well she should have said that from the start shouldn’t she ? It’s batshit to try to police the relationship now.

Woodfiresareamazing2 · Today 14:53

BePearlTiger · Today 12:28

Fair enough I think I can make a post to rant about something without needed to apply every little detail verbatim

I couldn't understand from the info given in your original post why you had a problem with her reaction.

Now you've given details of what she has actually said to you it makes more sense of your initial complaint.

No you don't have to give every tiny detail, but more than you said in your first post was definitely needed.

ilovesushi · Today 14:54

She's mental. Four years of you going out and she still hasn't moved on from him being her ex decades ago. She's got some serious issues if she can't get over it. She is totally unreasonable for mentioning it to you.

What outcome does she want? "Friend, I understand your feelings and so I am going to call off my wedding to my partner of four years. I am sure that was the only thing getting in the way of your one true love. I will stand aside for you now."

Don't sweat it. Lose the friendship.

Lugol · Today 14:59

BettyJoanPerske · Today 12:54

Of course not, but she is still being unreasonable to be dramatic about it. If she's not okay with it she needs to fade away quietly, not play the victim.

I'm sure OPs friend intends to do exactly that and hopefully find friends who don't tread where she's been before.