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AIBU to think my friend should just accept I am marrying her ex?

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BePearlTiger · Today 10:45

I’m 35 and have been with my partner for 4 years. We actually met again completely by chance after many years of not seeing each other, hit it off, were messaging for a week or so and decided to go on a date and he asked to meet up for a coffee and a walk. Before we had even been on our first date, I told my friend that we had hit it off messaging and we’re going for coffee because I wanted to be upfront with her.

He had been her boyfriend at university when they were around 18–20. They were together for about 2 years. They broke up nearly 20 years ago and obviously people change enormously between 18 and 36.

When I told her, after a couple time of meeting him that we are officially seeing each other I specifically asked if she had a problem with it. She said no, so I took that at face value. I wasn’t sneaking around or getting into a relationship with her ex behind her back. I actually even told her before we’d been on the first date.

We’ve now been together for 4 years. We moved in together & he proposed earlier this year and I said yes. We’re very happy, are buying a house together and would like to have children. We have a wedding date set for next June, invitations have gone out and our university friends have been absolutely lovely about it , RSVPs, messages, people booking hotels etc. They’re genuinely excited for us.

When I told this particular friend about the engagement, she said, “Oh, are you going to marry my ex?” I reminded her that we’d been together for 4 years and that I had told her about us from the very beginning. She then said that she’d only said she had no problem with it because she didn’t think we would last.
That has really thrown me.

I completely understand that she might have complicated feelings about it. I’m not trying to tell her how she should feel. But at some point, surely you have to accept that this was a relationship from university when you were 18 years old?

It’s not as though they were together for 15 years, were engaged, had children or had some huge life together. They were university sweethearts for a couple of years, nearly 20 years ago. She has since married, had children and divorced. He and I have now built an actual adult life together over the last four years.

And honestly, I find it particularly difficult because I had exactly the reverse situation myself. One of my friends married someone I had dated at university. I was 18. They got together years later and eventually married and have children. I genuinely didn't have an issue with it. I thought, “We were teenagers at university, life moved on,” and I was happy for them.

So I’m struggling with why I’m apparently supposed to feel guilty now.

I also wonder whether this friendship may simply be worth losing if this is something she can’t move past. Obviously I’d rather not lose a friend, but I don’t think I can spend the rest of my life feeling that I’ve done something wrong by marrying my partner.

All our other university friends seem completely happy for us and are looking forward to the wedding. Nobody else seems to see this as some enormous betrayal.

AIBU to think she needs to let this go? I can understand her feeling upset, but I don’t think she gets a veto over a relationship that started nearly 20 years after theirs ended.

Or am I being completely insensitive about the fact that, regardless of how long ago it was, he will always be “her ex” to her?

OP posts:
Bigcat25 · Today 16:01

jellyfish798 · Today 15:44

The ex of friends rule surely doesn't apply to exes from so long ago and whom were together a relatively brief time. It might be different if he had been really horrible or a massive cheat perhaps. But it was a long time ago and other than perhaps an initial surprise to see someone come out of the woodwork I wouldn't mind and would find it easy to accept we'd all moved on. It was a long time ago, lots has happened since - feels like drama from her. When you look at the situation in context it's really quite an overreaction based on generic arguments.
I'm struggling to understand why she thinks her historic connection to him trumps your obvious happiness and connection.
Have a wonderful wedding OP & yes don't invite her since she seems to want to make this about herself x

I don't think a two year relationship is a brief time. Plenty of people are living together or married after that time. It's not like it was two months! I'm not saying op shouldn't marry him, they are in love and happy. It seems like the ex is being minimized by some, that's all.

BettyJoanPerske · Today 16:05

Lugol · Today 14:59

I'm sure OPs friend intends to do exactly that and hopefully find friends who don't tread where she's been before.

Don't be ridiculous. 'Tread where she's been before!?' It was a college fling, not a fifteen year marriage with children!

Bigcat25 · Today 16:06

ThreadGuardDog · Today 15:37

It was around 18 years ago. And OP said nearly twenty years ago- not over twenty.

The poster I responded to said over 20. The first relationship ended 16 years ago.

Her friend shouldn't have said she was ok with it and then changed her mind. .

HAPPILYMARRIEDSINCE2012 · Today 16:07

shuggles · Today 14:28

@BePearlTiger That sounds very strange.

It's an "ex" partner. The whole point of an "ex" partner is that you've decided that you no longer want to be in a relationship with that person.

So she decided she did not want this man for a relationship, but now she's saying that she does want him for a relationship? What on earth is that about?

It was him who decided he didn't want her which doesn't mean she didn't want him...

BettyJoanPerske · Today 16:07

Bigcat25 · Today 16:01

I don't think a two year relationship is a brief time. Plenty of people are living together or married after that time. It's not like it was two months! I'm not saying op shouldn't marry him, they are in love and happy. It seems like the ex is being minimized by some, that's all.

Edited

What do you mean 'minimized'? It sounds as if the ex has some serious Main Character Syndrome which others aren't indulging.

shuggles · Today 16:07

HAPPILYMARRIEDSINCE2012 · Today 16:07

It was him who decided he didn't want her which doesn't mean she didn't want him...

Well why doesn't she just select someone else then? She has loads of options.

travelallthetime · Today 16:09

Missey85 · Today 11:02

Are you serious WTH I'd be pissed too ☹️ I certainly wouldn't be ok with it what did you think would happen if you got with your friends ex? Your no friend to anybody I'd cut contact with you

WHAT A DRAMA OVER AN EX OF 20 YEARS AGO 😂

BePearlTiger · Today 16:11

Bigcat25 · Today 16:01

I don't think a two year relationship is a brief time. Plenty of people are living together or married after that time. It's not like it was two months! I'm not saying op shouldn't marry him, they are in love and happy. It seems like the ex is being minimized by some, that's all.

Edited

They never lived together, never even met each others families properly, she met his parents once, he never even met her parents.

I think everyone is being very dramatic. He was a 20 year old he ended the relationship because he simply did not want a girlfriend.

At the time I remember her just getting a new boyfriend a month or so later. It wasn’t a straight 2 year relationship, they’d broken up and gotten back together so many times in the years between 18 - 20 years old.

Regardless that doesn’t matter. I’m not minimising it but I do believe it’s odd to say to someone who was honest with you from the start. That you didn’t think their relationship would last which is why you were okay with it. Essentially she thought it would fail and now he has proposed and the wedding is planned it’s now an issue. The relationship can fail at any point. It’s sad knowing that all the times she was telling me she was happy for us was just lies and jealousy. I gave her the opportunity she did not take it. I wouldn’t have been that upset over not going to a coffee date with a guy I haven’t even formed an attachment to. It’s now almost 5 years it’s normal to be attached to someone you’re about to marry.

OP posts:
travelallthetime · Today 16:19

OP, my first love was when I was 16-20 and we had that relationship for 4 year and at that age, its very intense.
Its now 25 years later and I couldnt care less if my sister married him, never mind a friend.....because it was 25 years ago, we are all different and we have all moved on. Let the friendship fizzle out, shes being dramatic

Bigcat25 · Today 16:25

BePearlTiger · Today 16:11

They never lived together, never even met each others families properly, she met his parents once, he never even met her parents.

I think everyone is being very dramatic. He was a 20 year old he ended the relationship because he simply did not want a girlfriend.

At the time I remember her just getting a new boyfriend a month or so later. It wasn’t a straight 2 year relationship, they’d broken up and gotten back together so many times in the years between 18 - 20 years old.

Regardless that doesn’t matter. I’m not minimising it but I do believe it’s odd to say to someone who was honest with you from the start. That you didn’t think their relationship would last which is why you were okay with it. Essentially she thought it would fail and now he has proposed and the wedding is planned it’s now an issue. The relationship can fail at any point. It’s sad knowing that all the times she was telling me she was happy for us was just lies and jealousy. I gave her the opportunity she did not take it. I wouldn’t have been that upset over not going to a coffee date with a guy I haven’t even formed an attachment to. It’s now almost 5 years it’s normal to be attached to someone you’re about to marry.

Edited

If they broke up alot then that makes it sound less serious. I was mostly responding to the poster who said it was a relatively brief time. I know lots of people who were/are very serious after 2 years that's all. I do thonk you are perhaps minimizing how awkward it may be to be around her ex though.

You did check in with her from the start and she gave you her blessing, so she's in the wrong there.

Feelfreee · Today 16:30

If she was 18 and then split up with him at 20 and you got with him at 31 then it had been 11 years, not 20 years, since they split. I’m not surprised your friend is upset.

SpidersAreShitheads · Today 16:38

Bigcat25 · Today 16:25

If they broke up alot then that makes it sound less serious. I was mostly responding to the poster who said it was a relatively brief time. I know lots of people who were/are very serious after 2 years that's all. I do thonk you are perhaps minimizing how awkward it may be to be around her ex though.

You did check in with her from the start and she gave you her blessing, so she's in the wrong there.

Mmm. Lots of extra details appearing that minimise their relationship….

I don’t think that two years is an insignificant relationship however OP wants to try and minimise it. I also noticed the constant references to “nearly 20 years” when it’s far closer to 15. It does suggest that OP is leaning heavily on things that might sway things in her favour, rather than being strictly truthful.

And at 30, I wouldn’t deliberately be messaging my friend’s ex, even if they split up 10 years earlier. And certainly not an ex that she had a significant relationship with.

Everyone has their own moral code. As OP chose to embark on the relationship, she isn’t wrong to marry him now - but her friend is allowed to have those feelings.

You can’t help how you feel and lots of people romanticise their first real love. I can well imagine it’s weird seeing them settle down with a friend.

Probs best for OP to let the friendship drift - for both their sakes.

LGBirmingham · Today 16:40

BePearlTiger · Today 11:51

They broke up because he wanted to focus on his education and did not want to have a girlfriend. At 20 years old that is a fair decision to choose to focus on your career ambitions. I think you’re thinking too into it. Im using change because she thinks she knows him but she doesn’t know him. She’s knew him for 2 years out of 36 years of his life. Those 2 years were over 15 years ago, which is why I am saying people change. I’m not the same person I was 15 years ago.

Sounds like she probably still holds a flame for him. She probably didn't want it to end? She probably imagined they would do all the getting married stuff when they were together?

It doesn't mean she can veto you being with him though.

BettyJoanPerske · Today 16:44

SpidersAreShitheads · Today 16:38

Mmm. Lots of extra details appearing that minimise their relationship….

I don’t think that two years is an insignificant relationship however OP wants to try and minimise it. I also noticed the constant references to “nearly 20 years” when it’s far closer to 15. It does suggest that OP is leaning heavily on things that might sway things in her favour, rather than being strictly truthful.

And at 30, I wouldn’t deliberately be messaging my friend’s ex, even if they split up 10 years earlier. And certainly not an ex that she had a significant relationship with.

Everyone has their own moral code. As OP chose to embark on the relationship, she isn’t wrong to marry him now - but her friend is allowed to have those feelings.

You can’t help how you feel and lots of people romanticise their first real love. I can well imagine it’s weird seeing them settle down with a friend.

Probs best for OP to let the friendship drift - for both their sakes.

Your last line is spot on. The rest of your post is not, you seem to be blaming the OP for her friend being a huge drama queen.

BettyJoanPerske · Today 16:45

Feelfreee · Today 16:30

If she was 18 and then split up with him at 20 and you got with him at 31 then it had been 11 years, not 20 years, since they split. I’m not surprised your friend is upset.

She still needs to get over it and stop making a fool of herself.

seven201 · Today 16:49

I think you’re being a bit harsh. She was dumped by him, and is since divorced and now seeing him marry you. She’s allowed to feel jealous or hurt. Perhaps she shouldn’t be going on about it and should keep her thoughts to herself, but she is allowed to feel what she feels.

She expected it wouldn’t last, so she didn’t make a big deal of it 4 years ago (was she still married then?). Maybe it was less of a deal to her then but most dates don’t turn into marriage.

Unless she’s trying to stop your wedding taking place she’s probably just having a tough time after the divorce and is struggling see his ex get a happily ever after with a friend.

She shouldn’t be laying this on you, but her feelings are valid. Give it time and hopefully she’ll get over it a bit and you can get back to your usual friendship.

BettyJoanPerske · Today 16:53

SpidersAreShitheads · Today 16:38

Mmm. Lots of extra details appearing that minimise their relationship….

I don’t think that two years is an insignificant relationship however OP wants to try and minimise it. I also noticed the constant references to “nearly 20 years” when it’s far closer to 15. It does suggest that OP is leaning heavily on things that might sway things in her favour, rather than being strictly truthful.

And at 30, I wouldn’t deliberately be messaging my friend’s ex, even if they split up 10 years earlier. And certainly not an ex that she had a significant relationship with.

Everyone has their own moral code. As OP chose to embark on the relationship, she isn’t wrong to marry him now - but her friend is allowed to have those feelings.

You can’t help how you feel and lots of people romanticise their first real love. I can well imagine it’s weird seeing them settle down with a friend.

Probs best for OP to let the friendship drift - for both their sakes.

Also your 'everyone has their own moral code' sounds incredibly rude and sanctimonious. It isn't as if anyone cheated.

Tinkalinkalink · Today 16:58

A lot of women wouldn't like this and Im one of them

Don't date a friends ex simples

PoliteGreyDreamer · Today 17:06

'I can’t possible stay friends with someone who can’t be honest with me or someone who can say to me that she hoped that my relationship wouldn’t last.'

Bit of a contradiction non? The OP was honest with you when she told you she hoped the relationship wouldn't last. Sounds like you don't like what she is telling you, which is fine, and it does sound like the friendship has run its course, but I think the reason you are getting some sharp replies on here is a complete lack of self-awareness over how demanding you are that she react in a certain way.

She can't control what you and her ex do, but in a similar vein, you don't get to decide what is a right and wrong reaction from her.

I also do think you sound quite uncritical of your partner's version of events. You say he 'just didn't want a girlfriend' when he ended the relationship with her, however many years ago. That may be a fair interpretation of events, but he is clearly being magnanimous. And it is easier to be so when you are the person who ended the relationship, and then went on to start another relationship with your ex's friend...

SylvanMoon · Today 17:07

Your friend is being ridiculous.

SpidersAreShitheads · Today 17:08

BettyJoanPerske · Today 16:44

Your last line is spot on. The rest of your post is not, you seem to be blaming the OP for her friend being a huge drama queen.

Her friend is allowed to not be over her ex. Lots of people still hold a slight candle for their first love - especially as in this case, he ditched her to focus on his studies. It was probably pretty upsetting for the friend and from what OP said, she never really fully got over it.

It sounds as if during uni, her friend and this guy were a proper couple. OP alludes to this by saying the other uni friends are ok with the fact she’s with him now - so it clearly was a big deal.

Of course OP should marry him now. No question.

But on this thread she has repeatedly sought to minimise how her friend feels. And more than that, she’s used inaccurate language to minimise their relationship. OP seems very reluctant to admit it was a big romance at the time (as first loves often are!)

I think her attitude towards her friend is a bit shitty actually. In the same way that I think it’s a bit shitty to deliberately get with the guy that your friend dated throughout uni.

Ah - just seen your other comment. It is a moral code judgement not to date your friends’ exes though? That’s just a statement of fact. How would you describe the fact that lots of PP on this thread have said it’s not ok to date your friend’s ex? We all view it differently and that’s due to our own principles. Is describing it as principles better than saying moral code? 🤷‍♀️

I’d have much more sympathy for OP if she wasn’t being so dismissive. Maybe the friend is being a diva, maybe she isn’t. I don’t think we’re getting an accurate description from OP here so who knows…. Either way, the friend is allowed to feel what she wants in the same way as OP can marry who she wants….

Mnetcurious · Today 17:14

She’s being ridiculous. It was a relatively short term relationship decades ago when she was very young.

Pinkissmart · Today 17:14

Are you all the same age? 35? So they broke up 15 years ago?

Why did they break up? Was it amicable?

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