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To ask if you think the prime minister has a democratic duty to house asylum seekers in middle class areas

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CurdinHenry · Yesterday 10:22

By which I mean, would most voters support this as opposed to a change in policy to refuse in greater numbers? I honestly can't tell what "the majority" actually wants. I would prefer fewer having seen how things went in Germany thanks to the Merkel wave but I am willing to believe I'm a backwards old boomer and a majority would be more welcoming.

They (UK governments) tend to say they have no choice due to the echr but this isn't true. There are a lot of operational choices they could make (eg sometimes when people are denied entry at the border they are actually allowed into the country for a few days and instructed to report back to the airport when it's time for the removal flight).

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BeatrizBoniface · Today 17:33

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:26

There was a terror attack in Germany a few weeks ago and I’ve seen some posts online by LGBTQ groups that insist the danger comes from the ‘far right’.

Despite the fact that the German leader of that so called far right party (sorry her name has escaped me now) is in a same sex relationship!

Oh ffs. You couldn't make it up, could you?

mtobrokeme · Today 17:35

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:28

I am so very sorry for all you have experienced and how your country has failed you.

Thank you ❤️ I am, unlike so many of the other women who have shared what I have (and honestly so many of them including very close school friends endured far far worse than myself - that for me needs recognising) in an excellent place in my life. I have had and continue to have the best people around me and I have, for the most part, a beautiful life. X

BeatrizBoniface · Today 17:38

mtobrokeme · Today 17:35

Thank you ❤️ I am, unlike so many of the other women who have shared what I have (and honestly so many of them including very close school friends endured far far worse than myself - that for me needs recognising) in an excellent place in my life. I have had and continue to have the best people around me and I have, for the most part, a beautiful life. X

Well done for rebuilding your life. You have great courage, seriously. 💐

RhannionKPSS · Today 17:40

The prime minister has a ‘ democratic duty’ to look after the people of the UK first and imo that means he needs the grow a spine and deport all illegal foreigners

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 17:41

GodDamnitDonut · Today 16:41

I agree that the tide has turned, we’ve had a few threads now with common sense prevailing and people openly saying they have had enough. It’s positive that the threads are no longer deleted after a single report and the accusation of racism. I still don’t think it is quite safe for people to express these concerns in real life, sadly.
I can also see more and more people online and in real life no longer bothered when the word „racist” is thrown around because it has become a joke.
we’ve spent too many years being unable to discuss valid concerns because of the political environment. It’s good to see it changing. It’s good to see European politicians pushing back too (Denmark, Poland, Italy, Hungary) .

Did I dream there was some political event recently where countries openly voted against the aspects of the ECHR that were preventing them from dealing with illegal immigration? I was going through a personal drama at the time and didn’t read the article properly, but I recall a load of European party members celebrating and chanting.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 17:41

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:27

Well said.

Of course all that means I'm Islamophobic.

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:46

mtobrokeme · Today 17:35

Thank you ❤️ I am, unlike so many of the other women who have shared what I have (and honestly so many of them including very close school friends endured far far worse than myself - that for me needs recognising) in an excellent place in my life. I have had and continue to have the best people around me and I have, for the most part, a beautiful life. X

That is good to hear.

❤️

GodDamnitDonut · Today 17:46

Bikenutz · Today 17:15

So what is this ‘backbone’ entailing. How are Poland negotiating the diplomatic, legal and reputational costs? Management of migration is dependent on international cooperation, and this could cause more difficult negotiations with allies, and make the situation worse.

Perhaps the fact that they are securing their entire Belarusian border at an enormous costs is enough to give the country some credit for „managing migration”. Oddly, the fence/ wall they have built along the border is not something people talk about much.

MaturingCheeseball · Today 17:46

Have the “sanctuary cities” in the UK spoken up and asked to welcome the men? They surely would be eager to take them.

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:47

LuckyHazelFox · Today 17:41

Of course all that means I'm Islamophobic.

Thankfully I think that term is going the same way as ‘racist’ and ‘fascist’.

It has been used so often (as way of shutting down debate) that it has lost all meaning.

It simply doesn’t work anymore.

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:48

BeatrizBoniface · Today 17:33

Oh ffs. You couldn't make it up, could you?

You really couldn’t.

I’m trying to find that article, wish I had saved it.

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:49

MaturingCheeseball · Today 17:46

Have the “sanctuary cities” in the UK spoken up and asked to welcome the men? They surely would be eager to take them.

Which are those?

GodDamnitDonut · Today 17:49

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:47

Thankfully I think that term is going the same way as ‘racist’ and ‘fascist’.

It has been used so often (as way of shutting down debate) that it has lost all meaning.

It simply doesn’t work anymore.

Yes, it has been weakened by the people who use it the most.

scissy · Today 17:51

suburburban · Today 16:38

Guy was Barry Smith

Various Christian preachers have been saying "this is the end times" for the past 2000 years (i.e. since the resurrection! )
Plus ça change.

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:51

GodDamnitDonut · Today 17:49

Yes, it has been weakened by the people who use it the most.

I often think it must be so offensive to Holocaust survivors to see the term ‘fascist’ being thrown about so casually.

bestchooseanother · Today 17:52

MaturingCheeseball · Today 17:46

Have the “sanctuary cities” in the UK spoken up and asked to welcome the men? They surely would be eager to take them.

If we have 'sanctuary cities', surely they should all be sent there? (And not then allowed to wander off!)

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:58

bestchooseanother · Today 17:52

If we have 'sanctuary cities', surely they should all be sent there? (And not then allowed to wander off!)

I wonder if the people living in those cities agreed to become a sanctuary.

GunnelVallquist · Today 18:02

bestchooseanother · Today 17:52

If we have 'sanctuary cities', surely they should all be sent there? (And not then allowed to wander off!)

See this is what I don’t understand. People saying you can’t lock up people arriving here, it’s against their human rights etc

We have no idea who these people are

And you and I couldn’t just turn up wherever and expect to be let in without any papers.

It’s utter madness, especially in the face whats been happening over the last ten or so years.

And when people mention about Jewish people fleeing during the second WW I want to shout ‘that is not the same!’

Those people were desperate, grateful for any shelter.

Not hopping on a boat to cross the channel from France

MaturingCheeseball · Today 18:05

There was a fire today at the Holiday Inn in Wembley, which houses asylum seekers. Quite accidental, I’m sure, but guests there have been complaining about the food, and that it’s been two years and they have not been given a house.

SpaceRaccoon · Today 18:06

GunnelVallquist · Today 17:06

I remember a young mother and her two little children being taken away on a motorbike??

They had red hair.

The mother’s face I can still see now.

Heartbreaking.

Yes. They murdered all three and returned them in coffins after a horrible, mocking, macabre "handing over ceremony".

SpaceRaccoon · Today 18:08

MaturingCheeseball · Today 18:05

There was a fire today at the Holiday Inn in Wembley, which houses asylum seekers. Quite accidental, I’m sure, but guests there have been complaining about the food, and that it’s been two years and they have not been given a house.

Right by the stadium - those rooms must sell for a fortune when something is on, so how much taxpayer money is being spent housing them there?

They should be in secure units in the middle of industrial estates or something.

Lugol · Today 18:10

localnotail · Today 14:15

That was organised by Moroccan government as a "pay back" to Spain for whatever disagreement they had recently (I don't follow it closely). Another reason could be Morocco wanting these territories back.

People were misinformed (by social networks) that Spain can't deport them due to some Spanish Court ruling which said people from Morocco can't be returned. Crossings were actively encouraged by Moroccan police, reportedly.

Most people returned when they realized there is nothing for them in it (they can't get to mainland Spain). Some died, sadly.
It was a huge mess for which both Spain and Morocco are equally responsible. Hopefully Spain will pull its finger out and sort out its borders.

Thank you for the explanation, I appreciate it. 💐

I'm trying to stay away from the news at the moment but obviously things filter through and this was such a huge story that didn't make sense to me and I couldn't face diving back into the doom and gloom we are sold daily.

GunnelVallquist · Today 18:14

SpaceRaccoon · Today 18:06

Yes. They murdered all three and returned them in coffins after a horrible, mocking, macabre "handing over ceremony".

Vile 😢

GunnelVallquist · Today 18:15

MaturingCheeseball · Today 18:05

There was a fire today at the Holiday Inn in Wembley, which houses asylum seekers. Quite accidental, I’m sure, but guests there have been complaining about the food, and that it’s been two years and they have not been given a house.

I didn’t realise they had asylum seekers in Wembley. Isn’t that quite well off as well?

The area I mean.

SpaceRaccoon · Today 18:19

GunnelVallquist · Today 18:15

I didn’t realise they had asylum seekers in Wembley. Isn’t that quite well off as well?

The area I mean.

Not all of it, but Wembley Park where the hotel is, is quite expensive due to the proximity to the stadium.

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