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To ask if you think the prime minister has a democratic duty to house asylum seekers in middle class areas

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CurdinHenry · Yesterday 10:22

By which I mean, would most voters support this as opposed to a change in policy to refuse in greater numbers? I honestly can't tell what "the majority" actually wants. I would prefer fewer having seen how things went in Germany thanks to the Merkel wave but I am willing to believe I'm a backwards old boomer and a majority would be more welcoming.

They (UK governments) tend to say they have no choice due to the echr but this isn't true. There are a lot of operational choices they could make (eg sometimes when people are denied entry at the border they are actually allowed into the country for a few days and instructed to report back to the airport when it's time for the removal flight).

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Æthelred · Today 13:48

Regarding Edwina Currie's degenerate remarks, the YouTuber Charles Veitch has been predicting 'State appointed girlfriends" for these people for a while now.

In my opinion, these boat people need to be in the equivalent of a class B prison as a minimum and should not be at liberty while their deportations are arranged.

BeatrizBoniface · Today 13:49

DebbieSavage · Today 13:38

Well you may be jesting, but some of the things I've heard about some of the volunteers at organisation like 'Care4Calais', you might not be too far off the mark.

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A few years ago, two of my colleagues got actively involved with this august organisation. They spent some time and energy collecting items to take to the camp. I regularly had to step over such items; clothing , toiletries, blankets, tents etc. Then they requested a leave of absence to take the stuff.
They were refused so went at the weekend. It did not go well.

GodDamnitDonut · Today 13:51

Debbie, I do believe it. The do-gooders are better educated than you and me though, so you should accept that fact that it’s us who have been brainwashed.

One of my acquaintances keeps volunteering „for the refugees” regularly. He is a very good person, you see. He also went to ASDA recently (as a one-off) and told me that it was „full of trash”. I thought he meant the stock offer, he explained he meant the customers and that he would never go back there.

Bikenutz · Today 13:59

Asylum seekers are already housed in middle class areas. People who get upset about immigration don’t tend to live in these areas. It would be common Knowledge otherwise.

It’s more pleasant for the asylum seekers to live in a nicer area and they are also less likely to be attacked by racists. The problem with it is that housing in middle class areas is more expensive. More money for the taxpayer.

My personal view is that it’s better to invest in the processes and staffing that ensures a swift turnaround rather than housing people for extended periods and leaving them in limbo. The current system serves no one particularly well.

localnotail · Today 14:05

Having just been to Paris I think we should be massively grateful re the number of migrating people we have in the UK. The area about Gare Du Nord is horrendous. I can't describe it in any way that is not going to sound rabidly racist. But it's really, really unpleasant and weird to see in France.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 14:11

GodDamnitDonut · Today 13:51

Debbie, I do believe it. The do-gooders are better educated than you and me though, so you should accept that fact that it’s us who have been brainwashed.

One of my acquaintances keeps volunteering „for the refugees” regularly. He is a very good person, you see. He also went to ASDA recently (as a one-off) and told me that it was „full of trash”. I thought he meant the stock offer, he explained he meant the customers and that he would never go back there.

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You can be highly educated but really naive, and even stupid when it comes to the everyday life of normal, less educated people.
No street smart experience, no social experience.
Just giving their bit back to society, ignoring local problems in society.

DebbieSavage · Today 14:11

Bikenutz · Today 13:59

Asylum seekers are already housed in middle class areas. People who get upset about immigration don’t tend to live in these areas. It would be common Knowledge otherwise.

It’s more pleasant for the asylum seekers to live in a nicer area and they are also less likely to be attacked by racists. The problem with it is that housing in middle class areas is more expensive. More money for the taxpayer.

My personal view is that it’s better to invest in the processes and staffing that ensures a swift turnaround rather than housing people for extended periods and leaving them in limbo. The current system serves no one particularly well.

Oh don't worry. Housing these men in pleasant little villages and hamlets up and down the country is going to make a whole bunch more 'racists' as you would describe them.

You have no idea what you've just done by making sure the entire country gets to see the benefits of having people who are entirely untouchable by order of the state roaming around doing whatever the hell they want to.

But by all means, tell us all why men from third world countries who saunter over on inflatable dinghies have more of a right to live in nicer areas of this country than someone like me who has ancestors dating back for hundreds of years at the very least. That will do so much for cultural cohesion.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 14:11

GodDamnitDonut · Today 13:51

Debbie, I do believe it. The do-gooders are better educated than you and me though, so you should accept that fact that it’s us who have been brainwashed.

One of my acquaintances keeps volunteering „for the refugees” regularly. He is a very good person, you see. He also went to ASDA recently (as a one-off) and told me that it was „full of trash”. I thought he meant the stock offer, he explained he meant the customers and that he would never go back there.

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I've just been called a racist on another thread, full of people saying how embarrassing it must be to vote Reform. I am veering back towards my life long party - the Tories, with Kemi coming good. However, if I feel Reform is the right party for me, again, I'm not going to be bullied, shamed, or harassed for it. I've got my eyes very much wide open and all the time Reform are getting the shit, some people in the Green party are rubbing their hands.

carbuncleonapigsposterior · Today 14:12

This is a long thread, so I haven't read all of it. Among those undocumented young men coming here, it's quite possible Iran will be taking the opportunity of sending a few of theirs over to set up sleeper cells. We will only know should they succeed in their endeavours. Lets hope they don't. How can they all be kept under surveillance?

I believe I read somewhere, that the IRA, darlings of the left want migrants to leave Ireland Hmm Recently an American woman of Irish extraction was murdered by her asylum seeker lover, she described, before she was killed, her union as "safe love" He's now scarpered.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 14:12

localnotail · Today 14:05

Having just been to Paris I think we should be massively grateful re the number of migrating people we have in the UK. The area about Gare Du Nord is horrendous. I can't describe it in any way that is not going to sound rabidly racist. But it's really, really unpleasant and weird to see in France.

Grateful? We’re about a year behind France in terms of impact. Won’t be grateful for much longer.

probablyamunreasonable · Today 14:13

localnotail · Today 14:05

Having just been to Paris I think we should be massively grateful re the number of migrating people we have in the UK. The area about Gare Du Nord is horrendous. I can't describe it in any way that is not going to sound rabidly racist. But it's really, really unpleasant and weird to see in France.

Give it a few years, I don’t think it will be long until the UK is like France.

DebbieSavage · Today 14:14

LuckyHazelFox · Today 14:11

I've just been called a racist on another thread, full of people saying how embarrassing it must be to vote Reform. I am veering back towards my life long party - the Tories, with Kemi coming good. However, if I feel Reform is the right party for me, again, I'm not going to be bullied, shamed, or harassed for it. I've got my eyes very much wide open and all the time Reform are getting the shit, some people in the Green party are rubbing their hands.

They've lost the plot. This forum (for the most part) is so out of touch they still think that calling working class people and victims of grooming gangs racist is enough to get them to simmer down and slink away into the shadows.

localnotail · Today 14:15

Lugol · Yesterday 20:01

I'm currently trying to read as little news as possible because so much of it is inflammatory bullshit designed to strike fear into the masses.

Can someone tell me, when all those tens of thousands of men flooded Morocco and then went back the next day, what was that about? Why did they do it?
And someone mentioned upthread they were going to do it again.

Why? Are they practicing for a real invasion or something?

I just don't understand why so many men would flood a small coastal town for no apparent reason.

That was organised by Moroccan government as a "pay back" to Spain for whatever disagreement they had recently (I don't follow it closely). Another reason could be Morocco wanting these territories back.

People were misinformed (by social networks) that Spain can't deport them due to some Spanish Court ruling which said people from Morocco can't be returned. Crossings were actively encouraged by Moroccan police, reportedly.

Most people returned when they realized there is nothing for them in it (they can't get to mainland Spain). Some died, sadly.
It was a huge mess for which both Spain and Morocco are equally responsible. Hopefully Spain will pull its finger out and sort out its borders.

Morethanadecade · Today 14:16

I’m in a desirable middle-class area and there’s a huge hostel housing immigrants in one of the most desirable bits. It’s been there for many years and there’s no problem with it at all.

TakeMeorLeaveMe · Today 14:17

lightseeker · Yesterday 11:01

It's not as simple as 'middle class areas' though is it? What about London for a start - who would even know who is an immigrant and who isn't?

Also, Clacton has virtually no immigrants - legal or illegal - but they vote for Farage. What's that about then?

It's simply not true that Reform voters are the ones most likely to be affected by illegal immigration. Loads of Reform voters who, in their day to day lives - barely clap eyes on any form of immigrant, let alone an illegal one. They just watch GB News and that's enough for them.

Oh, you’re still at the stage of thinking it’s people with concerns about the level of immigration who are the ill informed and brainwashed ones?

Crochetandtea · Today 14:17

I’d put them in all the empty properties in London owned by those living overseas.
Tbh I wouldn’t let them in to begin with. Turn the boats around. Come legally or stay at home. I would not offer benefits in any way as that just encourages more to come.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 14:17

carbuncleonapigsposterior · Today 14:12

This is a long thread, so I haven't read all of it. Among those undocumented young men coming here, it's quite possible Iran will be taking the opportunity of sending a few of theirs over to set up sleeper cells. We will only know should they succeed in their endeavours. Lets hope they don't. How can they all be kept under surveillance?

I believe I read somewhere, that the IRA, darlings of the left want migrants to leave Ireland Hmm Recently an American woman of Irish extraction was murdered by her asylum seeker lover, she described, before she was killed, her union as "safe love" He's now scarpered.

There's definitely a bigger plan.

localnotail · Today 14:18

probablyamunreasonable · Today 14:13

Give it a few years, I don’t think it will be long until the UK is like France.

I very much doubt it. France tolerated this shit for years. I can't imagine an actual African village (and mot a picturesque kind - a poor messy kind) in Tottenham Court Road (which is kind of what I've seen).

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 14:18

localnotail · Today 14:15

That was organised by Moroccan government as a "pay back" to Spain for whatever disagreement they had recently (I don't follow it closely). Another reason could be Morocco wanting these territories back.

People were misinformed (by social networks) that Spain can't deport them due to some Spanish Court ruling which said people from Morocco can't be returned. Crossings were actively encouraged by Moroccan police, reportedly.

Most people returned when they realized there is nothing for them in it (they can't get to mainland Spain). Some died, sadly.
It was a huge mess for which both Spain and Morocco are equally responsible. Hopefully Spain will pull its finger out and sort out its borders.

Most people returned when they realized there is nothing for them in it (they can't get to mainland Spain). Some died, sadly.
It was a huge mess for which both Spain and Morocco are equally responsible. Hopefully Spain will pull its finger out and sort out its borders

That has been debunked. Most people didn’t return at all, the area still have thousands of immigrants in the area. Several teenage girls who travelled across have been raped this week.
Spain is lying. Like Ireland, the media is not reliable.

FOJN · Today 14:18

DebbieSavage · Today 14:11

Oh don't worry. Housing these men in pleasant little villages and hamlets up and down the country is going to make a whole bunch more 'racists' as you would describe them.

You have no idea what you've just done by making sure the entire country gets to see the benefits of having people who are entirely untouchable by order of the state roaming around doing whatever the hell they want to.

But by all means, tell us all why men from third world countries who saunter over on inflatable dinghies have more of a right to live in nicer areas of this country than someone like me who has ancestors dating back for hundreds of years at the very least. That will do so much for cultural cohesion.

Burnham is gambling that making life hell for a few hundred people won't be noticed by the wider constituency. The populations of the proposed sites ranges from 350 - 700 people.

TakeMeorLeaveMe · Today 14:20

soddingspiderseason · Yesterday 11:05

There is a perpetual conflation on these type of threads between immigrants and asylum seekers. This country actively needs immigration we don’t have enough doctors, nurses, social care staff and many other skilled occupations. These immigrants- of whatever nationality or race - pay taxes, that contribute to social benefits such as pensions, schools etc. Asylum seekers are seeking asylum; refuge from war, persecution etc. I’ve met asylum seekers from Syria who underwent horrific torture, rape etc. and who are now contributing to this country by working and being part if our community. Don’t lump everyone together. And please accept that some people are genuinely fleeing appalling situations, and we as an advanced nation have a duty to offer refuge, as we have done for hundreds of years. Look up Belgian refugees in WW1.

Many young people who have trained as doctors cannot get jobs. Why are you trotting out this line that we need to import doctors?

And surely you don’t honestly believe the boat loads of young men are all, or even mostly, fleeing war and persecution?

JMSA · Today 14:21

Fewer and no thanks to living in my area. I work 7 days a week to keep my children and I living where we do.

smallglassbottle · Today 14:21

localnotail · Today 14:05

Having just been to Paris I think we should be massively grateful re the number of migrating people we have in the UK. The area about Gare Du Nord is horrendous. I can't describe it in any way that is not going to sound rabidly racist. But it's really, really unpleasant and weird to see in France.

This is us in a couple of years though.

localnotail · Today 14:21

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 14:18

Most people returned when they realized there is nothing for them in it (they can't get to mainland Spain). Some died, sadly.
It was a huge mess for which both Spain and Morocco are equally responsible. Hopefully Spain will pull its finger out and sort out its borders

That has been debunked. Most people didn’t return at all, the area still have thousands of immigrants in the area. Several teenage girls who travelled across have been raped this week.
Spain is lying. Like Ireland, the media is not reliable.

Maybe. I have no idea.

I read that a lot of minors are in danger as they are hiding and are vulnerable as surrounded by adult migrants. And that asylum.centres are closed.

Spain should sort themselves out. Either they actively deport everyone, or get organised and process every single migrant so they are accounted for. This situation is fucking idiotic and surely not good for anyone apart from criminals.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 14:22

FOJN · Today 14:18

Burnham is gambling that making life hell for a few hundred people won't be noticed by the wider constituency. The populations of the proposed sites ranges from 350 - 700 people.

He is such a fool. He had the opportunity to make changes but his solution is to spread out the problem. What is it with all
these wet blankets in European governments who cannot tackle the issue.