To ask if you think the prime minister has a democratic duty to house asylum seekers in middle class areas

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By which I mean, would most voters support this as opposed to a change in policy to refuse in greater numbers? I honestly can't tell what "the majority" actually wants. I would prefer fewer having seen how things went in Germany thanks to the Merkel wave but I am willing to believe I'm a backwards old boomer and a majority would be more welcoming.

They (UK governments) tend to say they have no choice due to the echr but this isn't true. There are a lot of operational choices they could make (eg sometimes when people are denied entry at the border they are actually allowed into the country for a few days and instructed to report back to the airport when it's time for the removal flight).

Fully aware of that, but there was an underlying tone and assumption which I wanted to address.

mumsnet is becoming so toxic, if you dare to disagree the trolls jump in.

you’re in danger of being like the boy who cried wolf, aren’t you?

Some things are too serious for satire

As was discussed on the other thread, which is very good, there are absolutely posh areas that already have this problem. What Andy Burnham means is open to interpretation.

I haven’t heard of anybody new being afraid by the way? I mean beyond the people who have been suffering for ages. I had it in my area from 2016. (I’ve moved).

there have been protests all over the country. Lots of people are worried. I have no idea what class these people are supposed to be or what area voted for whom. I wasn’t thinking about it along class lines until Andy Burnham said that.

And actually, I’m still not tbh. I just really hope the numpties wake up sooner rather than later

@onpills4godsake ah I see.

There are still some who are fine with it, a couple on this thread and other threads. If we could utilise those areas first then great.

Otherwise I agree with you

Anyone coming across from France isn’t an asylum seeker so should be sent back!

We didn't leave the Dublin Regulation until 11pm 31st December 2020, by which time over 10,000 asylum seekers had arrived by small boat.

I'm currently trying to read as little news as possible because so much of it is inflammatory bullshit designed to strike fear into the masses.

Can someone tell me, when all those tens of thousands of men flooded Morocco and then went back the next day, what was that about? Why did they do it?
And someone mentioned upthread they were going to do it again.

Why? Are they practicing for a real invasion or something?

I just don't understand why so many men would flood a small coastal town for no apparent reason.

Thw whole thing needs urgent ,yesterday overhaul.
They need to change the definitions and criteria to meet thresholds and we must stop all illegal eccomic immigration instantly.

The UN and Davos and any other global organisations must put pressure on countries that people want to flee with sanctions and so on
They need to make their countries livable and many more Muslim countries should be helping their Muslim brothers.

• who said ebola outbreak is the worst ever ,it can incubate from 2 21 days.

How do we know Ebola isn't being seeded in ?

I believe they flooded Ceuta in Morocco, which is a Spanish military base.

Maybe like 10,000 Spaniards descending on Gibraltar.

Maybe a protest that Ceuta belongs to the Moroccans?

I am middle class. I don't want a single one housed anywhere.

Lets not heat around the bush, they’re not all genuine asylum seekers are they?. A lot of them are economic migrants.

You asked for my opinion, unpopular thought it may be I do believe that all immigration needs to be paused for a period, maybe 5 years, while we sort our country out for our own people, let alone incomers.

This could be done, government after government has lied and obfuscated. If it suited them a way would be found to halt the illegal migration, at least. In particular, hundreds of thousands of young men with no skills and questionable morals to put it mildly.

It is time to put ourselves first and deal with our economic woes, the plight of our own citizens, the threat to young people’s prospects. Instead of pouring pots of money into mainly economic migration for no good reason. Young people seem not to realise that these feral incomers are taking directly from them.

We as a nation owe people from other countries nothing. It is time to start thinking smarter, put ourselves first. If we haven’t got enough workers for fried chicken shops, vape shops Turkish barbers etc. who is going to care? If British people were paid a decent wage to work in care homes etc then they would.

We don’t need this immigration in working, middle or upper class areas, it needs to be stopped and the useless feral young men already here, encouraged to seek their happiness elsewhere.

Thank you. I think it's concerning that so many can mobilise so fast and in such an organised way.
It isn't easy to organise so many people to do something like this, it would take a lot of planning, do you think they are being instructed at the Mosques?

There was a Cobra meeting today about the national water shortage. It’s about time the politicians had a Cobra meeting about this.

Absolutely

Or maybe even...an army.

I’ve been saying this for years’., we need to sort out our own issues such as employment housing and water. This constant onslaught is not good for net zero either

yes who cares about vape shops or barbers, isn’t there a money laundering issue with these, we don’t need anymore people here

Not really, they would have swam in from mainland Morocco. Spain has two military bases in Morocco, Ceuta & Melilla, pretty much in the same way that the British have Gibraltar in Spain and the Falkland Island in Argentina.

Imagine thousands of Spaniards swimming into Gibraltar. Maybe it demonstrates that coastal borders cannot be fully protected. I can't remember if it is Ceuta or Melilla (maybe both) that has a huge metal mesh fence around it - maybe like something Trump would like to build on the US/Mexico border.

'The Ceuta border fence is a 6-metre-high (20 ft) double-parallel barrier system separating Spain's North African enclave of Ceuta from Morocco. Constructed by Spain beginning in the 1990s, it includes barbed wire, electronic sensors, and video surveillance."

Yes I think this could be the case

What they need to do is fine the Water Companies repeatedly until they go into administration and then nationalise them. It is a complete scandal that no reservoirs or leaks have been fixed and that these companies have been pocketing the monies in massive CEO & staff bonuses and shareholder dividends.

Water Companies shouldn't be run for profit.

That's exactly what should happen. It's criminal.

I don't know if this is the same Berkshire village, but clearly some locals and business owners were not happy, e.g.

“[the asylum seekers] abuse me because I’m from India and I’m Hindu [shop worker] ... They’re always coming in, taking food, [they] don’t pay. I personally hate it.”

... a café owner says that while [the asylum seekers] have not caused them any specific problems in the last six months, it has been “terrible for business”.

... "It’s stuck in the middle of a small village and it’s just an eyesore. To start with they used to hang around the park"...

"standing outside schools, you’ve got all these down-and-out people there"

A teenage girl said she had felt intimidated during the darker winter months when the men at the hotel stood around in groups opposite the café she works in. “One of them even barked at me,” she said.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/migrant-hotel-reshaped-village-windsor-immigration-3x395lw9h

However, we have a Labour government which wants to see itself as 'the good guys' with a massive majority. There are plenty of people who want to be kind and to do the moral thing. And there are an equal number of people who are working 40 hours a week AND paying a lot of tax to fund the kindness who are shaving back on all their expenses.

There is nothing I want more today than Count Binface to trounce Farage at the ballot box. But it won't solve the Reform issue, because the issue will not have changed. Like it or not, Farage speaks for the ordinary person, in a way they understand. Not many people want to welcome refugees/asylum seekers/economic migrants to undercut wages. It costs a lot to live a decent life in the UK. Why on earth would you want to subsidise the entry level access cost, unless you are getting a significant economic benefit for doing so? I don't see any economic bonanza from inviting migrants, and certainly none from uneducated unskilled young men.

@Clavinova this is a big aspect that we import when we have such large no of people in one go. We are importing whole tribes and divisions we know nothing about .