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To ask if you think the prime minister has a democratic duty to house asylum seekers in middle class areas

442 replies

CurdinHenry · Yesterday 10:22

By which I mean, would most voters support this as opposed to a change in policy to refuse in greater numbers? I honestly can't tell what "the majority" actually wants. I would prefer fewer having seen how things went in Germany thanks to the Merkel wave but I am willing to believe I'm a backwards old boomer and a majority would be more welcoming.

They (UK governments) tend to say they have no choice due to the echr but this isn't true. There are a lot of operational choices they could make (eg sometimes when people are denied entry at the border they are actually allowed into the country for a few days and instructed to report back to the airport when it's time for the removal flight).

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DebbieSavage · Yesterday 16:48

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 16:46

Spoken by someone who has lived with the privilege of having spent their life in a liberal country and enjoyed all the benefits that this involves.

Read about the absolute hell that is Afghanistan as a woman or girl and see how insulting it is to call anyone a racist for pointing out the differences, which are so glaringly obvious they put the sun to shame.

I prefer not to give my precious time to propaganda from bias western sources. I have a lovely colleague from Afghanistan and she says it's a wonderful country with amazing people. I trust her more than any of you random users that's for sure.

Jerrybalanitis · Yesterday 16:51

geniusinajar · Yesterday 16:40

Not just that but you will also get a beautifully crafted traditional Afghan rug to place next to your Habitat sofa to show off at dinner parties, so win-win all round.

If you're lucky. I am married to an Arab man, he went to university in the US and has worked overseas for much of his career. His mother thinks I am whore and his brother said we should be stoned. They don't actually mean any harm, they were born to their culture and were brought up with it being as much of a norm as we have when we disagree. Afghani men with no education (which is the majority of illegal immigrant Afghans in UK) I can assure you would not want a British woman for any respectful reason 99% of the time. Rape is a punishment rather than a crime where mother would tut tut for him being naughty but would genuinely believe she caused it by her gaze, her clothes, her ability to read and so on. If you dont know, you really, really, really truly dont know. Apples and oranges.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 16:51

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 16:48

I prefer not to give my precious time to propaganda from bias western sources. I have a lovely colleague from Afghanistan and she says it's a wonderful country with amazing people. I trust her more than any of you random users that's for sure.

😂😂😂 you had me, you donkey!!!

JHound · Yesterday 16:53

Monty36 · Yesterday 14:37

What must not happen is that the numbers coming over in the boats become normalised. As if it becomes a usual non news item.
Arguably, as an island we should have a very low number in asylum applications.
In terms of legal migration universities and employers drive these numbers.

I thought that comparatively in Europe we do have a lower number (we are 5th or 15th if I recall.)

suburburban · Yesterday 16:54

JHound · Yesterday 16:53

I thought that comparatively in Europe we do have a lower number (we are 5th or 15th if I recall.)

It’s a smaller landmass

BeatrizBoniface · Yesterday 16:56

EmeraldRoulette · Yesterday 16:47

For those of you who haven’t already realised

@DebbieSavage is taking the piss out of the stupid things people usually say on here, but, like Titania McGrath, it looks like it’s real

Because that’s the level of insanity we reached

I do feel as if there might be a tiny climb down happening

@BeatrizBoniface I’m sure the neighbour does still have his poster up

But slowly, I think people are realising

Of course the invasion will have finished by the time they actually realise…..

It's a funny one because he also had a Palestinian flag and some form of rhetoric on that subject. My elderly Jewish neighbour, a refugee from the Holocaust wryly commented "I don't think I'm the kind of refugee he welcomes!"

Spiderham · Yesterday 17:00

EmeraldRoulette · Yesterday 16:47

For those of you who haven’t already realised

@DebbieSavage is taking the piss out of the stupid things people usually say on here, but, like Titania McGrath, it looks like it’s real

Because that’s the level of insanity we reached

I do feel as if there might be a tiny climb down happening

@BeatrizBoniface I’m sure the neighbour does still have his poster up

But slowly, I think people are realising

Of course the invasion will have finished by the time they actually realise…..

I am so glad you clarified that, I read in amusement but then started thinking 'Shit, is she serious.... ' its terrifying that some people really do think like that.

EmeraldRoulette · Yesterday 17:03

@BeatrizBoniface he sounds like the type who just jumps on whatever he thinks is a fashionable bandwagon

these people are dangerous I know

Things will have to get 100 times worse before they wake up

Or they’ll sit there like that dog in the meme with stuff on fire saying “ it’s fine, everything is fine”

I’ve sometimes wondered if people delude themselves that way on purpose so they’ll still be repeating “ everything is fine” when they actually hate everything

do the two neighbours know each other by the way?

MrsMavisPike · Yesterday 17:05

RealBlueMoon · Yesterday 16:39

Ireland's national debt is lower than last year and has been steadily decreasing since 2016.
As for the rest of your post it doesn't sound like the Ireland where I live. Crimes involving foreign nationals are publicised. It's just that they are far outnumbered by crimes committed by white men.

Edited

Well now, catch yourself on...they would be wouldn't they because, for the moment there are more white men than these men in Ireland.

You demonstrate why it is so easy for those in power to be able to dupe the hard of thinking and, as there are more of you than people who own a thinking brain walking the streets, that's how they get away with it.

Twit.

MrsMavisPike · Yesterday 17:09

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 16:48

I prefer not to give my precious time to propaganda from bias western sources. I have a lovely colleague from Afghanistan and she says it's a wonderful country with amazing people. I trust her more than any of you random users that's for sure.

Come on, Debbie.

It's all been a bit of fun and I am pretty sure you think the exact opposite of your posts which have been funny.

BUT, you are a clever poster and can surely see that there are many half wits-some just reading, not posting- who will take what you say seriously and who will repeat your points to other half wits who will also think that they are real and be persuaded by them.

That's when it becomes dangerous.

MrsMavisPike · Yesterday 17:12

Spiderham · Yesterday 17:00

I am so glad you clarified that, I read in amusement but then started thinking 'Shit, is she serious.... ' its terrifying that some people really do think like that.

It is and that's why I've asked @DebbieSavage to stop because some people will, unbelievably, believe her and think she has a point.

BeatrizBoniface · Yesterday 17:12

EmeraldRoulette · Yesterday 17:03

@BeatrizBoniface he sounds like the type who just jumps on whatever he thinks is a fashionable bandwagon

these people are dangerous I know

Things will have to get 100 times worse before they wake up

Or they’ll sit there like that dog in the meme with stuff on fire saying “ it’s fine, everything is fine”

I’ve sometimes wondered if people delude themselves that way on purpose so they’ll still be repeating “ everything is fine” when they actually hate everything

do the two neighbours know each other by the way?

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Yes! We live in a very small cul de sac, detached houses, backing on to a country park. Refugees Welcome man is a graphic designer. The Jewish refugee came here as an orphan, worked on the market and got a successful shop. They don't really have much to do with each other, it's true!

MrsMavisPike · Yesterday 17:22

BeatrizBoniface · Yesterday 17:12

Yes! We live in a very small cul de sac, detached houses, backing on to a country park. Refugees Welcome man is a graphic designer. The Jewish refugee came here as an orphan, worked on the market and got a successful shop. They don't really have much to do with each other, it's true!

I hope, for your sake, that they don't build something in that country park and plonk a thousand of them in it.

However, it would be great to see the look on his face if they did!

Monty36 · Yesterday 17:29

JHound · Yesterday 16:53

I thought that comparatively in Europe we do have a lower number (we are 5th or 15th if I recall.)

It is a high figure. We are an overpopulated country so looking at it as a percentage of population it gives an inaccurate picture of how it impacts in practice.
If you look at it in terms of size of land mass we have a higher than should have figure.
The point I was making is that we should not, as an island have many asylum seekers at all. That we do has become normalised.

Agrumpyknitter · Yesterday 17:37

EasternStandard · Yesterday 16:05

I said early 2000s, ie pre Brexit.

In 2002, the UK recorded 84,130 main asylum applications (or around 103,000 to 111,000 people including dependants). This total marked a major historical peak for British asylum claims that stood as the record for over two decades before being surpassed in recent years

Why do you believe asylum claims weren’t high before Brexit?

2019 was also pre-Brexit. The early 2000s were turbulent years for those asylum seekers coming from former Yugoslavia, countries like Somalia and Iraq. Only 10 percent of those were actually granted asylum.

Valeriekat · Yesterday 17:40

Housing costs more in middle class areas. The tax payer is expected to cough up yet again.

parall · Yesterday 17:47

I wonder what the numbers of asylum and economic migrants without visa and/or passport are to places like UAE, Saudi, Japan, and South Korea for example. Someone might know.

suburburban · Yesterday 17:49

Monty36 · Yesterday 17:29

It is a high figure. We are an overpopulated country so looking at it as a percentage of population it gives an inaccurate picture of how it impacts in practice.
If you look at it in terms of size of land mass we have a higher than should have figure.
The point I was making is that we should not, as an island have many asylum seekers at all. That we do has become normalised.

Yes

i think we have a democratic duty to put the people who live here first, something the governments since late 90 have failed to do.

we cannot afford to keep accepting these migrants

EasternStandard · Yesterday 17:59

Agrumpyknitter · Yesterday 17:37

2019 was also pre-Brexit. The early 2000s were turbulent years for those asylum seekers coming from former Yugoslavia, countries like Somalia and Iraq. Only 10 percent of those were actually granted asylum.

And we still had high asylum claims so your post wasn’t correct.

Plus not having Brexit hasn’t altered the issues for EU countries unless you can identify which EU countries have successfully dealt with migration issues?

BeatrizBoniface · Yesterday 18:05

MrsMavisPike · Yesterday 17:22

I hope, for your sake, that they don't build something in that country park and plonk a thousand of them in it.

However, it would be great to see the look on his face if they did!

I know! He's unbearably smug and it's all I can do to say hello!
The Jewish guy and his wife are fantastic, generous and funny. They ignore him!

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 18:09

Just watched the Chair of the Piddington Parish Council on fb - they are desperate and worried - over a thousand foreign males to be housed in the village. And to be told to put up and shut up. You’re concerned about your children in the playground, and girls walking home from school? Tough! Racists!

mtobrokeme · Yesterday 18:12

MargaretThursday · Yesterday 10:43

One of the middle class leafy suburbs near us has a hotel used for refugees. They're a mixture of nationalities and ages, including some families, very keen to volunteer for things like food bank so they can put back into the population.
There has been no crime increase, no sets of "single men hanging about" etc.

They were moved there from a working class area due to the racist violence and abuse they were suffering there.

Oh that’s good. That area must not have got the ones we did, the ones sexually assaulting young girls, stealing from shops, shouting racist abuse out of the windows of their hotel, playing cricket at 2am in the morning next to the housing estate where children were sleeping. Must not have been the ones who used said cricket bat to assault a group of young lads off to play football. But then, we’re far from being a leafy suburb.

BeatrizBoniface · Yesterday 18:14

mtobrokeme · Yesterday 18:12

Oh that’s good. That area must not have got the ones we did, the ones sexually assaulting young girls, stealing from shops, shouting racist abuse out of the windows of their hotel, playing cricket at 2am in the morning next to the housing estate where children were sleeping. Must not have been the ones who used said cricket bat to assault a group of young lads off to play football. But then, we’re far from being a leafy suburb.

...but did they go and help in the food bank, though?

mtobrokeme · Yesterday 18:18

BeatrizBoniface · Yesterday 18:14

...but did they go and help in the food bank, though?

Well, if by ‘help’ you mean ‘take advantage of’ then yes!! Yes they did! 😉

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 18:18

I expect people will have to get used to staying indoors more and getting a parent to supervise girls walking home etc.

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