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To agree with Andy Burnham that it’s about time the middle classes took their fair share

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Morningteacup2 · Yesterday 18:11

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/08/11/burnham-middle-class-areas-must-take-more-hotel-migrants/

Not a huge fan of Labour I must say, but this is well overdue!

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Vanillaicelatte · Yesterday 19:51

Summerhillsquare · Yesterday 18:43

"these men" and their wives and children will be paying our pensions, which I personally am all in favour of.

Of course they will

Do you really truly believe this

TheTideIsNigh · Yesterday 19:51

It’s about time we stopped taking in asylum seekers full stop. Let’s also drastically reduce immigration in general while we’re at it.

saveforthat · Yesterday 19:52

Summerhillsquare · Yesterday 19:34

Source please.

Would you like some anecdata? 😁My encounters with more recent arrivals (in my fairly poor bit of the UK) tend to be in healthcare facilities, at work, on buses and in my street. Funnily enough I can't seem to find these unskilled and non English speaking types. Even outside our local asylum hotel they are chatting shit in English. My neighbour speaks 3 languages fluently, including English. She's from India, very pleasant woman, a nurse. This evening's bus driver was Nigerian.

Now tell me about these marvellous benefits... I assume you are on them yes, to know, and you enjoy a similar life of luxury?

I'm pretty sure the Indian nurse and Nigerian bus driver did not come over on a small boat. We currently don't have a local asylum hotel but when we did, they certainly were not "chatting English' so forgive me but I find that bit hard to believe.

RosesAndPeoniesAndIrises · Yesterday 19:53

Summerhillsquare · Yesterday 19:29

Thank you, that has really made me laugh out loud and I needed it!

Again, would love you to provide some evidence. But you can't.

If you want to deny that huge increases in population put pressure on housing and drive up prices, you go right ahead.

suburburban · Yesterday 19:53

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 19:12

YABU. We should be reducing the number of migrants, not squabbling about who gets landed with them!

Yes I’m absolutely sick to death of it, Labour aren’t reducing migration

HenriettaHippopotamus · Yesterday 19:54

Maybe it’s a good idea in that the middle classes will then push more for action in dealing with the immigration issues.

indigorising · Yesterday 19:54

RosesAndPeoniesAndIrises · Yesterday 18:36

In your case, not a lot. I’d be very interested to hear @BlackBean2023 or @indigorising ’s answers though.

No. No. No.

Dappy777 · Yesterday 19:55

Deep down, the left hate middle-class English people. HATE them. So the thought of ruining their lives by dumping hundreds of young men on them is delightful.

TheTideIsNigh · Yesterday 19:55

suburburban · Yesterday 19:53

Yes I’m absolutely sick to death of it, Labour aren’t reducing migration

To be fair, they are - just not by enough.

TeaAndALittlePeace · Yesterday 19:55

Brillopadhair · Yesterday 19:48

I don’t see why it’s so difficult, the navy should intercept the boats and take them back to France.

It’s a national emergency, so I don’t understand why they don’t use the navy to be honest.

Whats the point of having a Navy if it’s not protecting our shores?

RosesAndPeoniesAndIrises · Yesterday 19:58

Summerhillsquare · Yesterday 19:35

Oh dear Roses step away from the internet, you have reached the point where you can't tell the difference between the UK and the global population.

Why are you making such a patronising comment when both the articles I showed are about people in the UK? And the propaganda I referred to was aimed at us, in the UK? Many other examples if you look.

KateDelRick · Yesterday 19:58

Another thread where the OP posts something controversial and doesn't return....

milkhater · Yesterday 20:02

People confuse the middle class with the upper middle class.

Bushmillsbabe · Yesterday 20:02

Summerhillsquare · Yesterday 18:43

"these men" and their wives and children will be paying our pensions, which I personally am all in favour of.

Nope. On average, someone who enters the country via asylum route will be a net taker over their lifetime, collectively they are not adding anything financially into the 'tax pot' which pays pensions etc, they are actually reducing the pot.

But those who enter via a skilled worker visa or similar will usually be a net contributor, on average more than someone born in the uk

So we need to be careful to differentiate when looking at immigrant financial contributions.

RosesAndPeoniesAndIrises · Yesterday 20:03

Dappy777 · Yesterday 19:55

Deep down, the left hate middle-class English people. HATE them. So the thought of ruining their lives by dumping hundreds of young men on them is delightful.

This is such a strange comment. The left ARE middle class people. Have you seen the demographics of who has voted Labour in recent years? Overwhelmingly middle class.

SadiraOfTyr · Yesterday 20:06

Wouldn’t this just massively increase the cost of housing asylum seekers? The reason the asylum hotels are in poor areas is because housing them there is cheap. Putting them in smart areas will be extremely expensive, and that’s if you can even find a hotel that would be willing to take part in the scheme.

NattyRedFinch · Yesterday 20:06

Why the middle classes and not the rich???

Allrightonthenight1 · Yesterday 20:07

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 19:26

But white working class boys usually are living with their families, going to school with their friends. I don't know if they want to be uprooted and dumped in a completely different part of the country "where the jobs are". I don't think that's a good solution to the employment issues. We do need more affordable houses and more social housing for sure.

Additionally this whole discussion is bizarre because, unlike America or ahem Russia, the UK is quite a small place with a lot of variation within small areas. Small villages/towns in the Cotswolds will include beautiful expensive cottages for the rich and a lot of rural poverty. And middle class people. Urban areas like London will have streets and even individual buildings with the richest and poorest living at different ends (or using different entrances). Even the struggling post industrial towns in the North will have middle class people living and working there. There really aren't these enclaves of rich and enclaves of poor separated by distance.
You also saw this in debates over places like Maker field where it lost its status as "ordinary working class town full of demonised white working class types" and became a hotbed of "liberal middle classes" the second it choose Andy Burnham over the sexist plumber.

There really are enclaves of rich and poor in post-industrial Northern towns.

Vanillaicelatte · Yesterday 20:08

saveforthat · Yesterday 19:22

No they won't. Most of them will live off benefits, having never paid into the system and their wives will definitely not work, just churn out baby after baby.

Yeah as especially as labour removed the 2 child cap

i live in a big popular multi cultural city
certain areas were always rough not as nice as others area but they had a sense of community

but in recent years it’s completely changed

walk down ( if your brave ) the main Street and you would be lucky to see a white person or even a British black / mixed race person

years ago you had a mix of white black mixed race Indian and Pakistani’s

now it’s predominantly Somalian , African immigrants all Muslim
they have a mosque and it’s packed
they double park and traffic warden won’t ever ticket them as they get abuse and it’s to much trouble

walk or drive along any time of the day and there are groups of young & old men hanging out in the street ( and it’s always men )

the butchers that was there for many years ands was owned by a white family shut down a few years ago as another butcher opened up and the majority of immigrants went to this one

Blocks of social housing flats which used to be fairly mixed is now 80 percents Somalian / African Muslim

DrySherry · Yesterday 20:08

RosesAndPeoniesAndIrises · Yesterday 19:11

Oh my word. One of the main causes of the low birth rate of our population is house prices. House prices have been driven up by immigration. Basic supply and demand. Compare a graph of immigration to a graph of house prices if you don’t believe me. The answer is really not to just keep importing more and more Africans.

No I dont agree with that. Yes low birth rates are linked to house prices BUT House prices were driven up mostly by clever government and banking rules, cheap debt and mortguages.
As just one example think back to 2008 when the Bank of England implemented "super low, almost free emergency interest rates" to stave off (aka kick the can down the road) the financial crisis. House prices started rising overnight and the ultra low rates remained for so long people began believing it was a new normal - further increasing prices. "Emergency" cheap rates in fact lasted until 2022. A whopping 14 years of false house price inflation. Now that borrowing is at a more normal rate the housing market has started slumping.

RosesAndPeoniesAndIrises · Yesterday 20:09

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 19:18

How have they been demonised?

We had a right wing government in place for 14 years who regularly used the threat of migration/Labour being soft on migration as a scare tactic to encourage people to vote Tory. All the way allowing record amounts of migration and allowing a massive backlog of asylum applications to build up. You also had the likes of Jenrick making a big song and dance about painting over murals for children because it should be as unpleasant as possible

In addition to this you had parties like Reform being given disproportionately large platforms and they talk non stop about migration, Brexit having lost it's sheen.

Are there far left people on the internet who want open borders? Probably, but they are in the minority. The majority of people don't want open borders but also don't want to drown people, and understand that performative cruelty (painting over murals) isn't actually going to solve anything. The people most criticised are people setting fire to hotels, and biting policewomen in the face. Because those people are wankers. As are people that call for boats to be sunk by the navy. I wouldn't go so far as to call them demons. But it's not a workable or reasonable position. Sorry if that offends you.

I have to come back to this post. @Persephonia1966

  • asks how people have been demonised for complaining about the effect of mass immigration, implying they haven’t
  • implies I (and presumably other people who are anti current levels of immigration on this thread) support setting fire to hotels, biting police and sinking boats

If that is demonisation I don’t know what is.

LlynTegid · Yesterday 20:09

Middle class people I expect do just as much to make the UK a choice destination for those travelling in small boats. The ability to do a cash in hand or low entry job whilst seeking asylum or indeed if granted it is one thing that is an attraction of the UK, along with English being a widely spoken language.

Middle class people are more likely to go a dubious car wash place, just as likely to take illegal drugs, for example.

TeaAndALittlePeace · Yesterday 20:10

RosesAndPeoniesAndIrises · Yesterday 20:03

This is such a strange comment. The left ARE middle class people. Have you seen the demographics of who has voted Labour in recent years? Overwhelmingly middle class.

Exactly. I live in a very middle class, predominantly left-wing voting town. I’ve seen posters in peoples windows supporting the EU and migration. Perhaps we should house migrants in HMOs in these areas. I’m sure current residents would be delighted 😂

KarcherK5 · Yesterday 20:10

Screamingabdabz · Yesterday 19:42

Oh how very convenient for you and your rich pals.

Ok that’s just sneery reverse snobbery. This idea makes no financial sense. I’m not sure how sneering at me changes that.

MatronPomfrey · Yesterday 20:11

Detain on arrival and rapidly seas and deport. Take to the border of their home country if the UK can’t send flights there.

Stop funding all the interpreters for people that live here for decades and don’t learn the language.

Return foreign criminals to prisons in their own country.

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