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To think Count Binface is doing a great job in the Clacton by-election?

821 replies

Darker · 10/08/2026 11:43

Count down to Bin Day!

Count Binface has been out bigging-up Clacton and drawing attention to its potential.

It’s a really positive campaign.

I don’t think he’ll win but I’d love it if he did. I think he’d be brilliant.

And if he doesn’t, I think other candidates could learn a lot from his approach.

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Darker · 14/08/2026 16:44

Maybe they are all in a pothole…

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sittingonabeach · 14/08/2026 16:47

Maybe he thinks they are in the bin!

Allseeingallknowing · 14/08/2026 17:09

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 15:19

We don't have a "generous welfare state".

More generous than many other countries- why do you think they risk their lives to get here?

piscofrisco · 14/08/2026 17:10

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 15:05

Yes, I think the care worker visa was one of the worst visas in terms of bringing in people who will be long-term state dependents (the main applicants and their dependents) and who have no obligation to be care workers after they get ILR.

Personalised round-the-clock care is an expensive luxury which we've decided to grant as a right to everyone in Britain. Fine, but we'll pay the cost one way or the other - either directly as wages today, or by the increased long-term costs of supporting migrant workers in a generous welfare state.

Legal immigration numbers broadly (not just care workers) dwarf illegal/irregular; in every sector there has been mass low-skilled migration which is not to the long-term benefit of the UK (e.g., visas for minimart/vape/kebab shops, visas for commodity IT body-shops, family visas for chain migration etc).

As a person who managed care services for 24 years I can tell you that you are woefully misinformed on both how care work is staffed, the rules around bringing in dependents, the total reliance on immigrants to look after our older and other vulnerable people (and given that, how would it be correct to say they can can come but not with their families-you realise we need these people yes?), and ‘the luxury of 24 hour care’ we give people in this country ‘as standard’.

God help you if you get old or need help from social care or the NHS is all I can say. You had better hope your mate Nigel hasn’t ’sorted out immigration’ by then. Or at least not without a solid plan for social care and the NHS-which I haven’t yet heard from Reform-has if even been mentioned apart from them mooting some sort of American style insurance system (has he got any mates that that might benefit I wonder?).

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 17:45

Allseeingallknowing · 14/08/2026 17:09

More generous than many other countries- why do you think they risk their lives to get here?

Oh you don't really want a rundown of the reasons do you? This has been going on for years, people pretending "they" are flocking here for our oh so generous benefits. Please tell me what an asylum seeker is entitled to while waiting for their case to be heard.

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 18:22

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 17:45

Oh you don't really want a rundown of the reasons do you? This has been going on for years, people pretending "they" are flocking here for our oh so generous benefits. Please tell me what an asylum seeker is entitled to while waiting for their case to be heard.

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Have you lived anywhere other than the UK and if so where?

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 18:38

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 18:22

Have you lived anywhere other than the UK and if so where?

Oh, have you? Fun game of let's detract!

PerkingFaintly · 14/08/2026 18:53

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 13:22

Why what? Why do I support Reform? Same reason anyone else does, I think immigration is an existential issue and I'm a near single-issue voter.

I'm a near single-issue voter.

And, an immigrant.

IIRC?

PerkingFaintly · 14/08/2026 18:53

From my observation you now spend your time lecturing British people on how what being British should look like – in your not-so-humble opinion. Grin

And constantly saying "we" as if you speak for all British people.GrinGrin

I mean, I'm born here, and I don't imagine I can speak for all British people.

PerkingFaintly · 14/08/2026 18:57

And, you know, it's fine that you're an immigrant. I'm not going to refuse to speak to you or try to take away the rights we've given you.

But it does seem rather relevant to the posts that you're making on this thread, where you "we" this and "we" that.

How do you get to decide that you are "we", and other immigrants are "them"?

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 18:57

PerkingFaintly · 14/08/2026 18:53

I'm a near single-issue voter.

And, an immigrant.

IIRC?

Correct :)

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 19:04

PerkingFaintly · 14/08/2026 18:57

And, you know, it's fine that you're an immigrant. I'm not going to refuse to speak to you or try to take away the rights we've given you.

But it does seem rather relevant to the posts that you're making on this thread, where you "we" this and "we" that.

How do you get to decide that you are "we", and other immigrants are "them"?

There isn't any other country I feel I have more rights to say "we" about. You're right though, sometimes I say we and sometimes I say they, identity is complicated, this is one area where I agree with the diversity is our strength types.

PerkingFaintly · 14/08/2026 19:08

I'm not asking where you're from, but I have white South African family and I get the same vibe from you of an intense sense of entitlement to all things pertaining to the mother country, despite them being literally foreigners.

They also have a very strong fairytale notion of what Britain should be.

They tend to undergo a hefty readjustment when they actually come here and discover it's not the-fantasy-theme-park-Britain that lives in their imagination.Grin

tilypu · 14/08/2026 19:17

Noodledog · 14/08/2026 12:19

And in the meantime they are stuck with Farage because the election was not taken seriously- which isn't until 2029.

Same as most of the rest of us then - we are mostly all 'stuck' with the representative elected at the last general election. Why should Clacton be any different?

Persephonia1966 · 14/08/2026 19:18

About 0.7% of the global population are refugees living outside their country of origin (if you include internally displaced people it's about 1.4% of the world population). Refugees and asylum seekers (waiting for their claims to be processed) make up 0.7% of the UK population. So we are exactly average for the world. Compared to say Jordan who have about 30% of their population being refugees from Syria.

The point really being, I am not in favour of open borders, and if course we can't "take everyone" but frankly no-one is demanding we take everyone and neither is 0.7% of the population (much less if you just count people coming by small boat) an invasion or being swamped. If we wanted the overall number of refugees from the Middle East we could perhaps refrain from bombing them and Farage could ask his best mate ask Mr Trump very nicely if him and Israel would stop bombing there too. But weirdly that's never put forward as an option by Farage and Trump supporters.

Darker · 14/08/2026 19:22

If we wanted the overall number of refugees from the Middle East we could perhaps refrain from bombing them and Farage could ask his best mate ask Mr Trump very nicely if him and Israel would stop bombing there too. But weirdly that's never put forward as an option by Farage and Trump supporters.

Well, quite.

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OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 19:25

PerkingFaintly · 14/08/2026 19:08

I'm not asking where you're from, but I have white South African family and I get the same vibe from you of an intense sense of entitlement to all things pertaining to the mother country, despite them being literally foreigners.

They also have a very strong fairytale notion of what Britain should be.

They tend to undergo a hefty readjustment when they actually come here and discover it's not the-fantasy-theme-park-Britain that lives in their imagination.Grin

I'm not South African, if that's what you're hinting at.

I do think a better version of Britain is possible than the one that exists today.

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 19:26

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 19:25

I'm not South African, if that's what you're hinting at.

I do think a better version of Britain is possible than the one that exists today.

It's probably not your version though.

PerkingFaintly · 14/08/2026 19:30

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 19:25

I'm not South African, if that's what you're hinting at.

I do think a better version of Britain is possible than the one that exists today.

No, I'm not hinting or asking where you're from.

I'm just saying that this mentality is a real thing and giving an example of where I've seen it in the wild.

PerkingFaintly · 14/08/2026 19:32

A lot of us are constantly striving for better versions of Britain.

It's my country. Of course I do. 🤷‍♀️

Viviennemary · 14/08/2026 19:34

No. He made a complete mockery of the system. Aided and abetted by the main parties who refused to put forward a candidate. Everything is being done to discredit Nigel Farage. Media too is on board. This can backfire as it did with Trump.

Darker · 14/08/2026 19:38

Poor Nige. 🙄

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AImportantMermaid · 14/08/2026 19:40

Viviennemary · 14/08/2026 19:34

No. He made a complete mockery of the system. Aided and abetted by the main parties who refused to put forward a candidate. Everything is being done to discredit Nigel Farage. Media too is on board. This can backfire as it did with Trump.

The other parties are not Farage’s puppets. This was a vanity project to stop the investigation into him hiding five million quid - the man is bought and gift wrapped for crapto billionaires - he’s nothing more than a Temu Trump.

Uricon2 · 14/08/2026 19:41

Darker · 14/08/2026 15:55

I do wish he'd stuck to acting.

Was half expecting the British Democrat (think National Socialist) candidate in the green jacket 2 to the right of Binny to break into "Tomorrow Belongs to Me". Interesting history, that one.

Uricon2 · 14/08/2026 19:52

I think what a lot of the naysayers miss is that Count Binface really, really supports democracy. I've read that he considers every single vote cast for him an honour.

He's a satirist and a Classicist and will be very much aware of the satyr play (the very origin of satire) that closed the great Greek tragedies and pricked the minds of the audience.

All a bit too complex for Nige I imagine.