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Guests bring their own lunch

292 replies

thevoiceofreasoning · Yesterday 16:50

I have recently had surgery and I am pretty immobile … just about get around on crutches indoors. Friends (m and f married couple with 10 year old daughter) wanted to visit me at my home. I’m not really up to guests to be honest but they more or less invited themselves. I agreed and they said they would arrive around 11am and stay until about 3pm (they live a couple of hours drive away from me). Since this timing clearly spanned over lunchtime I thought it was only fair to warn them I wasn’t really up to making a meal for them, which is something I usually always do when they visit a few times a year. The wife says oh that’s not a problem we will bring something with us. i thought oh that will be nice … a bit of company and something nice to eat brought in!
Well they all arrived carrying big cool bag and busied themselves putting things in my fridge etc. We chatted for a while and then wife stood up and said she would fix lunch… checking with me where I kept my plates etc. whilst I remained sat in the lounge. When everything is plated … individual pots of salad, wrapped up sandwiches etc. kind of picnic style and she announced it was ready, I suddenly realised that she had only put out 3 plates for them and had not included me! She then turned and said ‘Oh are you going to make yourself something and join us?”
I was so shocked I just mumbled oh I will make myself some toast. And then sat there with them eating a couple of slices of toast whilst they had their individually plated picnic goodies! The funny thing is I truly believe they thought they were being considerate bringing their own food so I didn’t have to bother cooking.
I can sort of laugh about it but I am also gobsmacked they could think that was ok! However, now looking back I guess I did make an assumption that they would bring something for me to eat too. AIBU? Love to hear people’s thoughts on this!

OP posts:
lordbaddingham · Yesterday 20:30

I actually think you should message them OP and point out how rude it was. They need to realise how awful they've been. Say how surprised you were that they came over to see you post surgery and only brought food for themselves, and proceeded to eat it in front of you. And that that's not how any reasonable person who cared about you at all would approach things and in fact it's made you realise you don't want to continue the friendship.

Rpop · Yesterday 20:38

rubyslippers · Yesterday 16:56

That’s so awful!
i would have to ask them what on earth they were thinking
TBH i think it’s pretty thoughtless of anyone to descend on someone who isn’t well and immobile and NOT be helpful ie do a job or two, bring shopping etc

Well exactly. At the very least, they should have made some lunch for you too, especially as they were eating in your house over lunch. Let alone because you’ve just had surgery and said you weren’t up to making lunch for them. Pretty bloody obvious. Totally nuts. I’m also recovering from foot surgery, fairly immobile and would hate visitors right now. Let alone those that haven’t done anything to help. I can only imagine people like this can’t have had surgery before.

Millytante · Yesterday 20:38

Speakeasier · Yesterday 19:47

It was a general conditioning for women. That doesn’t mean everyone experienced it. Some women were brought up to be selfish nobbers like the OP’s ex friend.

I have a mixture of friends: some are like me and have a life long battle to overcome their conditioning; some were brought up as princesses and don’t struggle to prioritise themselves at all and can be quite selfish and some are assertive but also generous and kind. But I would say more British middle aged women have experienced my kind of conditioning than happens in many other countries.

My upbringing, at school as at home, was ‘unisex’ in its emphasis on manners and reasonable self-denial. (I mean in terms of grabbing or offering the last piece of cake, rather than in a survival crisis)
This was England, 1960s/early 70s, and my family wasn’t unusual or strangely enlightened. We were all brought up to have an awareness of others, even if this was a tough lesson to ingest for many kids. But putting yourself (boy or girl) first in a grabby, selfish way was frowned on by everyone I can think of.

Naturally Im well aware of the conditioning of girls, and that it even persists today. I’d be a bloody fool to ignore it all.
I just mean to say that a general leaning to self-denial in many a situation is not necessarily indicative of culturally learned subjugation, or even weedy self-possession. Sometimes it costs us nothing to let the other have half our sarnie. Nor is such an instinct confined to girls and women. It’s found in any decent bloke.

SecretSquid · Yesterday 20:39

Did they bring anything at all? Flowers, chocolates, nice biscuits? Offer to make cups of tea?

godmum56 · Yesterday 20:45

Millytante · Yesterday 20:24

Well, naturally I was being polite 🤣

need that laugh emoji

FOJN · Yesterday 20:52

My brain is struggling to process how two functioning adults could think that was in anyway normal or acceptable behaviour. Even if I thought a host was sorting their own lunch out I'd have bought enough for four just to be on the safe side. If the host didn't want it for lunch I'd have left it in the fridge for them to have later.

Please tell me these deranged cheeky fuckers cleaned up after themselves?

Mumtotornadoes · Yesterday 20:53

God how embarrassing for them! I hope this is one of them moments that pops into their head every few years when they're in bed or on the bus and makes them beet red and nauseous from the embarrassment.

I can't believe they used your plates to serve themselves up. Like if they'd brought a sandwich in a carrier bag and ate it from the pack where you were sat it wouldn't feel as bad. But to plan a full, sit down lunch at someone else's houses and not even think to bring enough for the person who you're visiting is fucking arrogant.

101Alsatians · Yesterday 20:54

thevoiceofreasoning · Yesterday 20:29

They watched me wobble …

I'm now even more pissed off for you!

Ilovemyfam · Yesterday 20:57

thevoiceofreasoning · Yesterday 20:24

I have had a good laugh over it! My face when I realised she’d only put 3 plates out must have been a picture! 🤣 And yes you guessed right … all the dirty dishes were left by the sink! 😱

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I referred to the dishes as a joke. I really did not expect them to have gone without washing up.

I have a collection of “bizarre memories that I cannot forget” that I draw on on occasions such as when I have missed the bus in winter and it is raining/ when I am at the dentist having a filling. Can I add this please?

Treemouse · Yesterday 20:58

thevoiceofreasoning · Yesterday 20:20

Nope! They stacked the dishes by the sink but no offer to wash up!

That’s really terrible. Wishing you a speedy recovery OP. Treat yourself to a takeaway!

FOJN · Yesterday 21:01

Sorry should have read all your responses, I see the cheeky bastards left the washing up. That really is next level selfishness.

If the wife contacts you to meet up I would just send her a link to this thread and block her.

thevoiceofreasoning · Yesterday 21:01

pomegranatescent · Yesterday 18:19

I’m so sorry to read this OP 😔
I can’t imagining visiting a friend who was recovering from surgery and not bringing food for them. Even if you weren’t up to eating with them, I’d have made sure you had some food plated up to eat at your leisure after I left.

It did remind me of a time where I felt a similar sting. I had 9 month old twins, ex husband had left me and my life was in tatters. My brother and his partner were expecting their second child so I offered to have my 2YO niece for the night so they could have some alone time. My life was chaos so another child wasn’t really an issue!

I was running on fumes and not sleeping or eating well. When my brother and his partner turned up to drop their daughter off they both sat down in my kitchen and started opening up meal deals they’d picked up from the supermarket! I barely had time to brush my hair in those days let alone make and eat a sandwich and I couldn’t believe it.

It was so out of character for them both as they are both kind, considerate people… but I think if you are viewed as the “strong and capable one” people can’t comprehend that you’d be anything else, even if your life is upside down!

That is very true! Sorry you had to go through that, hope life is better now.

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mondaytosunday · Yesterday 21:04

Madness! My friend recently had a cancer op and while more mobile than you sound I brought lunch to cook for her about three times (and another friend dropped off some dinner for her to heat up). Plus she had an adult son to help (not that he seemed to be)! The idea that they would bring stuff for themselves and not for you is just unbelievable.
Come on @CatInTheRhombus and @Arlanymor - even if she had food for herself you visit an ill friend you say ‘don’t worry I’ll bring food for us all’!

Rpop · Yesterday 21:04

SandwichSuperstar · Yesterday 17:36

To be honest, I can’t remember my exact words on the phone … but I definitely made it clear I wasn’t mobile enough to make a meal for myself or anyone else!

How do you normally eat during the day?

You just make do in any way you can. Online shop with easy bits and pieces, lots of toast,
others coming and helping, quick meals which you can do easily when you can’t stand for long.

SandwichSuperstar · Yesterday 21:06

Rpop · Yesterday 21:04

You just make do in any way you can. Online shop with easy bits and pieces, lots of toast,
others coming and helping, quick meals which you can do easily when you can’t stand for long.

Huh?

I get how it might be generally done.

However, this thread is about the OP so I was asking how she did it.

Rpop · Yesterday 21:07

SandwichSuperstar · Yesterday 21:06

Huh?

I get how it might be generally done.

However, this thread is about the OP so I was asking how she did it.

I guess I’m going through similar right now, so thought id show that it is possible but it’s hard work and defo not something to do for other guests. It’s not general information.

Satsuma55 · Yesterday 21:11

I think this must be the rudest and oddest behaviour I've ever read about on MN. They are chart topping cheeky fuckers. Please message them and tell them so.
Get well soon xxx.

MassiveOvaryaction · Yesterday 21:25

You know how sometimes you read threads on Mumsnet and think 'crumbs I hope the person it's about doesn't read this!'? Well this isn't one of those - I hope the "friends" of @thevoiceofreasoning do read this and realise quite how disgustingly self-centred and frankly batshit their behaviour was!

Hope your recovery is swift op Flowers

DeftGoldHedgehog · Yesterday 21:27

Epicly rude. They deserve a Mumsnet Golden Raspberry or something for Outstanding Thoughtlessness.

Wetblanket78 · Yesterday 21:30

Cheeky fuckers they aren't friends. Even worse they brought a child when they knew your circumstances and left their mess for you to clean up after them. Don't invite them again make an excuse if they invite themselves again.

moderndilemma · Yesterday 21:33

OP, I can hardly believe their cheek!

If I was you I'd have to call them out on it. Something along these lines:

"Dear Margaret, I appreciate you making the effort to travel to visit me on Saturday. It was good to catch up.

I told you beforehand that I was not able to cater for you and I assumed that you might have understood how much I would have enjoyed someone bringing lunch for me. I was surprised that you brought food only for yourselves, and then ate it, without sharing, when all I could manage to make was a piece of toast.

During your visit you would have observed how incapacitated I am at the moment. You did nothing to assist me, and then left me to clear up your dishes. As a consequence your visit left me feeling more depleted than before you came.

I understand that it can be awkward in someone else's house, not wanting to overstep and clear up - but you could have asked. You could have asked if I'd like to share some of your delicious looking food. You could have asked if I'd like some help to make my toast. You could have asked if you could make things easier by washing up and putting away the dishes.

I send this because you may wish, in other situations, to be more reflective about how you support a friend in a challenging situation."

TemuTrinny · Yesterday 21:36

Wow! They sound very odd. How likely is it that you hear from them with a “lovely to see you” type text? What will you say in reply?

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:37

NattyRedFinch · Yesterday 17:08

Oh come on!

Arlanymor is correct

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:41

this is what the guests should have asked ; “We're bringing our own food because we know you're not up to cooking. Is there anything you'd like us to bring you?”

moderndilemma · Yesterday 21:43

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:37

Arlanymor is correct

Nah!
Communication is more than the words you say. Communication is about observing that you have delicious sandwiches and a wonderful variety of salads, and your friend is struggling to make a piece of toast. Communication is about reading body language, sensing that someone is a bit disappointed.