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Whats the point of consent and asking permission if you get lied to

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MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 17:52

Whats the point of consent and permission ? friends meal and they cover the cost, they said here is x amount get what you want, so permission is asked what the limit is eg £20 and i can get whatever food / takeaway with it, the yes permission is given that i can buy what i want within the budget.

turns out a day or two after wards a sarcastic comment was made because i had 2 jacket potatoes with different toppings, so i said why is that an issue and it turns out that they still thought id get one instead of two ,

so i said i asked permission of what the budget was and i did ask what i could get then all i got was oh id still thought you would get 1 so i said why then say i can get x why not just say and be honest.

i guess this is more me moaning but why do people do this, say yes to x then they actually want you do to x instead its like why ?

before anyone asks we usually do a weekly meal out, and no they are fairly wealthy

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MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:16

ShetlandishMum · Yesterday 21:15

Your friend might. Do you want to risk it?

id rather not hence my ranting on here

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BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 21:16

You’ve just repeated what you said before but haven’t actually detailed what they actually said

for someone so desperate for others to be clear you are not clear yourself!

BlackCat14 · Yesterday 21:17

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:15

basically because i asked can i order what i wanted upto the £20, they said yes so i ordered the two poatoes, they then moaned because i ordered the 2 poatoes then i said i did ask to order what i wanted and they said they still thought id only order 1. so i said whats the point of me asking to order what wanted

You still keep saying “and then they moaned”… this isn’t answering the question. WHAT DID THEY ACTUALLY SAY?

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:17

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 21:16

You’ve just repeated what you said before but haven’t actually detailed what they actually said

for someone so desperate for others to be clear you are not clear yourself!

because that was basically what they said

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murasaki · Yesterday 21:17

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:16

id rather not hence my ranting on here

Right, so read the thread several times.

Then next time, insist on paying.

And if she pays the next time order ONE plate of food.

And say thank you.

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:18

murasaki · Yesterday 21:17

Right, so read the thread several times.

Then next time, insist on paying.

And if she pays the next time order ONE plate of food.

And say thank you.

i will do

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MademoisellePraline · Yesterday 21:18

What did they say, in exact words, when they "moaned" about 2 lunches

What did you order and for what price, on the occasion you got "moaned" at for spending lots?

RoseRosse · Yesterday 21:18

By all means eat two potatoes - they're cheap and hardly an indulgent meal. Your friend is horrid if they invite you to dinner then shame and criticise you for eating a couple of in-budget spuds.

You deserve better.

But this is a story about a negative experience on a free meal. So don't overstate it like you did in your title - you have a rude or cheap friend, not lies or consent/permission issues.
💚🤍❤️

Moonnstarz · Yesterday 21:18

I don't understand why you didn't ask for the extra topping as a side? Lots of times you can order an extra filling rather than ordering a whole other meal!
I think if you knew the potato wasn't going to fill you up then I would have ordered a side salad (as based on the price it sounds like it wouldn't come with anything).
Or I would have suggested dessert/coffee at the end.

Though I don't know whether this thread is for real, whether you are ND or whether you are just pulling some weird joke by commenting I am Sheldon cooper....not sure whether you think it is funny (and actually taking the mic out of people who are ND) or if you are trying to play the role of a character.

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:19

MademoisellePraline · Yesterday 21:18

What did they say, in exact words, when they "moaned" about 2 lunches

What did you order and for what price, on the occasion you got "moaned" at for spending lots?

it was a chip shop order, medium chips, battered sausage, and 2 fish bites around £12 and they moaned because i usually just have the chips and sausage

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BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 21:20

But what does that even mean ‘they moaned’?

BudgetBuster · Yesterday 21:21

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:17

because that was basically what they said

They said "I'm moaning"? Because you just keep repeating that apparently they moaned without saying what they actually said.

For someone who takes thing very literal (apparently)... you can't seem to actually answer literally.

MademoisellePraline · Yesterday 21:21

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:19

it was a chip shop order, medium chips, battered sausage, and 2 fish bites around £12 and they moaned because i usually just have the chips and sausage

And what did they say. Exactly.

Not "they moaned"

What words came out of their mouth about you ordering extra fish bites than normal.

MoistVonL · Yesterday 21:22

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 20:17

because the point im making is when did yes become no or no become yes etc that was my original point in the op

For the love of god...

Yes means Yes within the normal social concepts. It doesn't mean "Yes, even though it's not what I meant at all and you're misinterpreting what I was agreeing to"

BudgetBuster · Yesterday 21:23

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:19

it was a chip shop order, medium chips, battered sausage, and 2 fish bites around £12 and they moaned because i usually just have the chips and sausage

Ok... that "moan" wasn't about the price. It was again about you ordering more than a normal meal at their expense.

BlackCat14 · Yesterday 21:24

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:19

it was a chip shop order, medium chips, battered sausage, and 2 fish bites around £12 and they moaned because i usually just have the chips and sausage

What did they actually say?

UmamiMami · Yesterday 21:28

In case this makes the question easier to understand: In your original post you say “a sarcastic comment was made”

  1. Do you know what the “sarcastic comment” was? YES/NO
  2. a. If YES - what was it? (Exact wording)
  3. b. If NO - how do you know what they said was bad?
MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:29

MoistVonL · Yesterday 21:22

For the love of god...

Yes means Yes within the normal social concepts. It doesn't mean "Yes, even though it's not what I meant at all and you're misinterpreting what I was agreeing to"

but then the easiest answer then is no you cannot order what you want ?

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ImmortalSnowman · Yesterday 21:30

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:14

i dunno, im a strange fish

You are such a fan of AI and use it to create fictional stories, why don't you ask an AI what you should order when someone else is paying every, single week? Even it will tell you that you don't order extras.

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:30

UmamiMami · Yesterday 21:28

In case this makes the question easier to understand: In your original post you say “a sarcastic comment was made”

  1. Do you know what the “sarcastic comment” was? YES/NO
  2. a. If YES - what was it? (Exact wording)
  3. b. If NO - how do you know what they said was bad?
Edited

it was a few weeks ago so my memory of their precise words is not precise

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MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:31

ImmortalSnowman · Yesterday 21:30

You are such a fan of AI and use it to create fictional stories, why don't you ask an AI what you should order when someone else is paying every, single week? Even it will tell you that you don't order extras.

i already asked it and it said

The Clash of Two Systems

  • Your Track (Literal Logic): You are treating the interaction like a computer code or a math problem. If A (Budget) = £20, then any combination of items that equals £20 or less should be valid. To you, it is simple math.
  • Their Track (Social Blueprint): Most people operate on unwritten social scripts. In their minds, the script for "buying a friend lunch" means buying one main meal. When you broke that script by ordering multiple items, it triggered an alarm in their head, even if the math cleared.
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murasaki · Yesterday 21:32

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:19

it was a chip shop order, medium chips, battered sausage, and 2 fish bites around £12 and they moaned because i usually just have the chips and sausage

Hang on , wasn't it two jacket potatoes, or do you do this repeatedly?

ImmortalSnowman · Yesterday 21:32

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:19

it was a chip shop order, medium chips, battered sausage, and 2 fish bites around £12 and they moaned because i usually just have the chips and sausage

You have form for being a grabby CF and continued to order more because you aren't paying. Hope your friend has learned her lesson and won't be paying for you again.

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 21:34

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:31

i already asked it and it said

The Clash of Two Systems

  • Your Track (Literal Logic): You are treating the interaction like a computer code or a math problem. If A (Budget) = £20, then any combination of items that equals £20 or less should be valid. To you, it is simple math.
  • Their Track (Social Blueprint): Most people operate on unwritten social scripts. In their minds, the script for "buying a friend lunch" means buying one main meal. When you broke that script by ordering multiple items, it triggered an alarm in their head, even if the math cleared.
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So are you going to listen to the AI and acknowledge what most people would be thinking?

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 21:35

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 21:34

So are you going to listen to the AI and acknowledge what most people would be thinking?

in principle i agree i was wrong,

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