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My son is treated like an outsider by his own siblings and it's breaking my heart

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Marielouisee · 23/07/2026 12:41

I honestly don't even know why I'm writing this. Maybe because I've kept it inside for so many years and I just need to let it out somewhere. I'm a mother of four kids. My oldest son is 20, my second son is 19, my daughter is 17 and my youngest son is 15. I love all four of them equally. There has never been a favorite. They all grew up in the same home with the same parents. My husband and I have always tried to give them love, support and everything we could. We weren't perfect parents but we genuinely tried our best. That's why this hurts so much because no matter what we've done over the years, nothing has changed.

My second son has had some health problems since he was little. He has never been seriously disabled or anything like that. He can take care of himself, he goes out on his own, he has hobbies, he has friends and he doesn't need someone looking after him all the time. He's just different from the other three. He's not as sharp, fast or energetic as they are and he has always had a weaker immune system. He would get sick more often and sometimes he needed more attention from us than the others did. As parents we couldn't just ignore that. If one of your children needs you more at certain times you naturally give them that extra care. We never loved him more than the others. We simply responded to what each child needed.

Because of his health there were times we had to cancel family vacations or trips at the last minute. We never felt right leaving one child behind while taking the other three. Looking back now I know those moments affected the others more than we realized. They missed out on some things because of it. But it wasn't like their childhood was full of disappointment. They still had birthday parties, holidays, sleepovers, school trips, sports, time with friends and special moments with us. We always tried to make sure every child had attention and opportunities. It just wasn't always possible to make everything perfect.

As they got older though, especially around sixteen or seventeen, something changed. The frustration they had toward us slowly became resentment toward their brother. Instead of blaming the situation they started blaming him. It was like in their minds he became the reason they had missed out on certain memories as kids. From that point things just kept getting worse. They stopped inviting him to things. If they planned to go somewhere together they left him out. If they were hanging out at home they acted like he wasn't there. They have a lot of the same friends because they're close in age but they rarely include him. Even their friends have started treating him like he's invisible because they follow the example my other kids set.

The hardest part for me isn't even the exclusion. It's hearing the words they say to him. More than once I've overheard them telling him they wish he had never been part of the family or that they don't want him around. Every time I hear something like that it feels like someone is ripping my heart apart. I look at my son and he never screams back or starts a fight. He just goes quiet. He smiles less than he used to. Sometimes he'll simply walk back to his room like he's already expecting it. Watching your own child slowly believe he doesn't belong in his own family is something I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Last week was another example that completely broke me. The other three bought tickets to a music concert together. My second son was excited because he likes the artist too. He asked if he could come with them. They had already bought tickets for themselves and never even considered buying one for him. They told him no and left without him. He didn't throw a tantrum or beg. He just said okay and went back to his room. I don't even think he expects to be included anymore. That acceptance hurts more than if he had cried.

The thing that makes this even harder is that he's genuinely such a sweet kid. He's gentle, kind and thoughtful. He has never been the child causing problems or getting into trouble. He's incredibly talented in his own way. He paints beautifully. Honestly some of his artwork amazes me. He has found a small group of friends through art classes and local galleries. He goes to exhibitions, talks to other artists and that's where I actually see him smile. Those people appreciate him for who he is. Sometimes I wonder if complete strangers understand my son better than his own siblings do.

My husband and I have spent years trying to fix this. We've had countless conversations with all of them. We've explained how hurtful their behavior is. We've asked them to imagine how they would feel if the roles were reversed. We've tried family time, one-on-one talks, setting rules and encouraging them to spend time together. We've cried in front of them.

I'm just so tired. I feel like I've failed all of my children somehow. I feel guilty toward my second son because he deserves siblings who love him and accept him. I also feel guilty toward my other three because maybe somewhere along the way they carried resentment that we didn't recognize soon enough. I keep replaying every parenting decision in my head wondering where we went wrong. Maybe we made mistakes. I'm sure we did. Every parent does. But I never imagined it would end with one of my children feeling like an outsider in the only family he's ever known.

I don't even know what I'm hoping to get from posting this. Maybe someone has been through something similar. Maybe someone has advice. Or maybe I just needed to tell someone because I've carried this pain for years and it feels unbearably lonely. I honestly pray no child ever has to wonder why their own brothers and sister don't want them around and I pray no mother ever has to stand there watching it happen while feeling completely powerless to stop it.

OP posts:
TrainyWainy · 23/07/2026 14:51

thatgreenjuniper · 23/07/2026 14:47

why am I ridiculous? Did TWO parents needed to stay? Why? Who was looking after the other 3 anyway?

Why cancelling everything for the entire family?

You can't take your children on your own? Must you really have a handhold from your husband when you go away? That's weird.

The fact that OP said it didn't feel right taking 3 kids and leaving 1, rather than it being practically impossible, does suggest it was a choice for the 3 to miss out.

thepariscrimefiles · 23/07/2026 14:52

BoredZelda · 23/07/2026 13:53

The environment that shaped them was their home life. Their apparent resentment would have happened no matter what school they went to. State schools are not a utopia of kindness, inclusion and acceptance.

With every post we’re seeing more of who you are. With this post you talk about the lavish lifestyle you worked hard to provide them (they should be so grateful for that) And in another you decide the next course of action is to cut them off financially. Your only currency with your children appears to be actual currency. That’s your problem right there.

State schools are obviously not some utopian environment where kindness and inclusion thrive but private schools are hotbeds of arrogance and superiority where lack of empathy is encouraged and celebrated.

Tableforjoan · 23/07/2026 14:53

TrainyWainy · 23/07/2026 14:51

The fact that OP said it didn't feel right taking 3 kids and leaving 1, rather than it being practically impossible, does suggest it was a choice for the 3 to miss out.

Exactly a fairness thing.

Where's if well enough to just need to rest with a parent no reason the other parent couldn’t have taken the other three. Why make the majority miss out because one needs extra sleep and a hot water bottle for example.

momtoboys · 23/07/2026 14:53

@tinks2026 That is an outrageous comment. You or I may have handled the situation differently but that doesn't mean their way is wrong. With that being said, if you are so wise, how would you have handled it?

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 23/07/2026 14:54

thatgreenjuniper · 23/07/2026 14:28

it would be a good start for the OP to accept that THEIR behaviour started it all, before blaming the kids who had to put with the consequences?

Even if she accepted that, I don't think it would make any difference to the nasty siblings.

They need to be shown that their actions have consequences and they can't bully people and expect to get away with it.

TrainyWainy · 23/07/2026 14:54

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 23/07/2026 14:49

Yes, they might have been wrong although I don't think they were but that does not mean that the three siblings should alienate him.

Lots of families have disabled children. It's just something that happens and from what the op said he wasn't even disabled.

I dread to think how they would have behaved if they had had a mentally or phy disabled sibling.

While you're entitled to this opinion, it doesn't change the obvious risk that if OP does as you're advising here, it's liable to worsen her own relationship with the other 3. She should only do that if she's completely fine with a much worsened relationship, and it doesn't sound like she is.

blooba · 23/07/2026 14:55

LouisaLudgate · 23/07/2026 13:53

As a parent you need to have a fucking backbone. When you hear terrible things being said you intervene. You state that its not acceptable and you won't tolerate it.

Kick them out of the house if you have to. FFS

Excellent, kicking them out is surely going to improve their relationship with their sibling and parents.

Thats only going to do the opposite, completely divide and alienate the family altogether.

likeitshard · 23/07/2026 14:56

It’s tough because if you punish the older ones they will likely cut you off too but I certainly wouldn’t be funding concert tickets for them to leave their sibling out.
They are bullying him and that’s awful.
im not sure there’s much you can do other than be honest about it call them out on front of your son so he can see it’s not acceptable. Talk to him about it , be honest about your mistakes and help him find his own way. Encourage him to step back from his siblings and focus on friendship outside the home.

Tableforjoan · 23/07/2026 14:56

Op kicks them out one by one they move in with the oldest. As seen posted previously on Reddit in these type of family situations.

The first born secures the escape plan and the others follow as soon as they can.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 23/07/2026 14:58

TrainyWainy · 23/07/2026 14:54

While you're entitled to this opinion, it doesn't change the obvious risk that if OP does as you're advising here, it's liable to worsen her own relationship with the other 3. She should only do that if she's completely fine with a much worsened relationship, and it doesn't sound like she is.

Well their behaviour is killing her anyway and at the moment she feels completely powerless.

At least if she withdrew non-essential funding they would be punished which they deserve.

But yes, her relationship with them would be totally ruined, but does she even want a relationship with three such nasty people? I know that I wouldn't.

thatgreenjuniper · 23/07/2026 15:02

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 23/07/2026 14:54

Even if she accepted that, I don't think it would make any difference to the nasty siblings.

They need to be shown that their actions have consequences and they can't bully people and expect to get away with it.

bit of a cope-out to reject all blame on the kids? You'd think parents would lead by examples and start accepting that actions have consequences.

I haven't seen any bullying, the siblings are just getting on with their lives, as they should.

TrainyWainy · 23/07/2026 15:04

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 23/07/2026 14:58

Well their behaviour is killing her anyway and at the moment she feels completely powerless.

At least if she withdrew non-essential funding they would be punished which they deserve.

But yes, her relationship with them would be totally ruined, but does she even want a relationship with three such nasty people? I know that I wouldn't.

Edited

There is absolutely room for this situation to get much worse. Any advice given needs to start from there. It's all very well for you to tell someone else to drive their kids away to satisfy your sense of punishment, but the OP clearly is nowhere near giving up on her familial relationships.

It doesn't matter that you reckon you wouldn't want a relationship with your 15 year old because it's not about you.

InterIgnis · 23/07/2026 15:04

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 23/07/2026 14:58

Well their behaviour is killing her anyway and at the moment she feels completely powerless.

At least if she withdrew non-essential funding they would be punished which they deserve.

But yes, her relationship with them would be totally ruined, but does she even want a relationship with three such nasty people? I know that I wouldn't.

Edited

I understand the impulse to be punitive in the moment, but it’s worth considering the consequences of that. Sure, it would be a way of asserting your limited power in the situation and make you feel better, but would you actually just be making things deteriorate further?

Not just for the relationships between the siblings, but between you and the children you presumably love and want around in the future.

MargaretThursday · 23/07/2026 15:04

Goodness. Lots of people egging the op on to treat her dc badly. The reason why they're hurting is they feel badly treated by parents. How is that going to help?

And those questioning why a 20 yo would do something with a 15yo. Really? There's 7 years between my oldest and youngest and absolutely would they do things together, whether it was age 17 &10, 20&13 or 19&26.
In fact they're more likely to choose to do something together than one of them and the middle one because they like similar things.

Op, when you're nagging them to include him, do you ever stop to think about what it means for them. What does taking him with them involved? Does that mean they have to stay with him? Make sure he can see? Come home early?

You need to sit down with them and apologise. No ifs, no buts, no "but we had to" or "we should have..".
I brought something that really hurt me up once. I've never brought up anything since because there was no acknowledgement that it might have been upsetting at all. I got a casual response that maybe they should have seen if we could have done it the next day.
I wanted understanding that I had been hurt, not a half hearted maybe we could have done it anyway which was no comfort at all.

I'll tell you, they remember far more how they felt when the holidays were cancelled than the holidays they went on.
And how many times on the holidays you went on did you say "we can't do this because of #2" or "#2 needs this so we'll do this"? I suspect quite a lot.
And did you ever say #2 has to opt out, you lot go ahead without him?

Your view is entirely from you ("how much have I done for them") or #2's place. If you want any chance of reconciliation between them, you need to see their side-even if you disagree with it you need to understand their feeling are deep. As deep as your feelings on the other side.

For what it's worth, I got on much better with my sibling when dm stopped nagging me about how I had so much so should give way on everything, and they also stopped seeing themselves as a victim who needed to get everything on a plate.

EarthSight · 23/07/2026 15:04

Marielouisee · 23/07/2026 13:41

My husband and I both have well-paying jobs. We worked hard to give our kids opportunities we never had. They all went to private schools, even though neither of us ever did.

Maybe it's just been my experience, but I've found that some kids in those environments can be surprisingly unkind. The attitudes can be very different. Of course not every child is like that, but I've definitely seen it, and sadly I've seen some of it in my own kids too.

They've grown up with a very comfortable life. I wouldn't say they're spoiled because they've never been denied discipline or boundaries, but I do think the environment they've grown up in has shaped them in ways I never expected. Sometimes I wonder if that has played a part in how they treat their brother.

Really? I'm not surprised. If they're middle class and privately educated, they will be in an environment that is particularly status orientated and competitive, one that doesn't smile at tenderness or weakness. You may come from a more humble background, but they're socialising with children who aren't, and who are used to having to the best of everything in life. Some of them will feel entitled to that.

I'm sorry for your situation. You sound like a really considerate parent and your plus your husband's support will be extra important in the years to come. So glad your son has found an outlet and people who are more like him outside the home. That is such a valuable thing OP.

With things like this, I'm not sure how much punishment will go. People want to feel like they've been actively included and warmly invited, not forced to do that.

Maybe your kids will never stop behaving the way they do, but I'm hoping that as they gain independence and maturity, and also have some space from you as their parents, that they start looking back (tends to happen in people's mid 20s). Maybe they will regard him with less bitterness.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 23/07/2026 15:05

thatgreenjuniper · 23/07/2026 15:02

bit of a cope-out to reject all blame on the kids? You'd think parents would lead by examples and start accepting that actions have consequences.

I haven't seen any bullying, the siblings are just getting on with their lives, as they should.

OMG. There's no point in conversing with you if you honestly think that their behaviour is normal.

And even if it was the parents fault, why on Earth would decent people take it out on the sibling?

It was obvious to me and my sister that our youngest sister was my father's favourite and it caused a lot of resentment but we certainly didn't take it out on her!

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/07/2026 15:05

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 23/07/2026 14:58

Well their behaviour is killing her anyway and at the moment she feels completely powerless.

At least if she withdrew non-essential funding they would be punished which they deserve.

But yes, her relationship with them would be totally ruined, but does she even want a relationship with three such nasty people? I know that I wouldn't.

Edited

Or, here's an astounding idea, sit them down, tell them she doesn't expect anything except basic manners, politeness and normal levels of consideration. But that manners are her red line. They can go to gigs, have their own friends, hang out, but if they are actively unkind and unpleasant, or their friends are, that crosses a line.

No punishments, or being cut off, or ultimatums. Just "I expect consideration in this house and I now you are great people and the mean words are out of character". Just a calm, empathetic, boundaried conversation.

Not crying and manipulation and threatening with money and weird expectations. Just manners.

NewDogOwner · 23/07/2026 15:07

I understand your pain. It doesn't help now by cancelling activities/ holidays has caused this. You should have worked around it and one person still went on the holiday or did something to make a fun holiday type experience anyway you could.

You can't force this. Just apologise to your children and leave things alone. You can't force siblings to be friends. This might happen naturally over time.

WearyAuldWumman · 23/07/2026 15:07

I've possibly missed something, though I've re-read your posts, @Marielouisee . Are your eldest two currently in any kind of education or employment?

EwwStew · 23/07/2026 15:09

Disown the other three and focus on the one nice child you have.

Those three are cruel and wicked. Either inherently or because you have allowed them to believe they can bully a family member with no repercussions from you.

I don't know anyone who wouldn't have small or big reasons to resent their older/younger siblings at times. That is life and part of being a family.

HGHGHG · 23/07/2026 15:12

I agree with most of what you have said OP and your children are being appalling. However I do think you cancelling fun things for all of them, due to your son's health issues was very, very wrong.

I think the 20 year old is probably most hurt by this, and is the ringleader of what is happening.

I was wondering if you have ever apologised to the 3 of them for wrongly cancelling things due to their brother's health? That is I feel your starting point.

You were wrong to do this more than once. You should have put in a plan after the first time, to ensure the other 3 didnt miss out on things and stopped it EVER happening again (bar near death health relapses which it appears isn't the case).

One parent should have stayed with your son, the other gone with the 3.

You and your H have caused this resentment sadly, and now the other 3 have found their "voice", they are using it. Cruelly, but understandably in some ways.

thatgreenjuniper · 23/07/2026 15:12

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 23/07/2026 15:05

OMG. There's no point in conversing with you if you honestly think that their behaviour is normal.

And even if it was the parents fault, why on Earth would decent people take it out on the sibling?

It was obvious to me and my sister that our youngest sister was my father's favourite and it caused a lot of resentment but we certainly didn't take it out on her!

you seem to be taking that thread very personally, I give you that.

It doesn't matter if YOU think it's normal or not.

The current situation is due to the choices parents made. If you want to improve thing, surely the first step is acknowledging the problem and working to improve thing.

Punishing blindly kids for no reasons, even adults ones, is not going to do anyone any favour.

You do realise that the OP is actually alienating her own son from their siblings with her behaviour? Why would any parent want to even do that?

TinyCottageGirl · 23/07/2026 15:13

Sorry but if this is truly accurate, your other kids have a nasty streak. You need to sort that out by restricting things/finances etc until they understand the severity of what they are doing to their brother.
Who paid for the concert tickets?

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/07/2026 15:14

EwwStew · 23/07/2026 15:09

Disown the other three and focus on the one nice child you have.

Those three are cruel and wicked. Either inherently or because you have allowed them to believe they can bully a family member with no repercussions from you.

I don't know anyone who wouldn't have small or big reasons to resent their older/younger siblings at times. That is life and part of being a family.

WTAF?

I'm not sure it's legal to disown a 15 yo, apart from everything else.

Some people on MN are properly weird.

Rosegard · 23/07/2026 15:14

I can understand your upset.
They sound pretty awful.
As for their friends treating your son poorly in his own home?
Unbelievable that you would have tolerated this.

Lots of kids grow up with a sick sibling and do not behave like this.
I have 4 kids and I can tell you this would no more have been allowed to fly.

How have you allowed such unkind behaviour be the norm?

And you are funding this too🙄.

Your 3 children are not normal.
Spoiled, unkind, without empathy, and allowed to ignore your wishes.

Yet you fund them.
If I were you I would stop all funding.
I would be looking carefully at finances as this son may need extra supports and their siblings clearly will not be involved.

I really want you to know how unusual their gang mentality and unkindness is.

None of those friends would be welcome in my house again.

You need to wake up to just how unkind they are.
You cannot change them now, its gone on too long.
But you can adjust their entitled expectations.