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My son is treated like an outsider by his own siblings and it's breaking my heart

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Marielouisee · 23/07/2026 12:41

I honestly don't even know why I'm writing this. Maybe because I've kept it inside for so many years and I just need to let it out somewhere. I'm a mother of four kids. My oldest son is 20, my second son is 19, my daughter is 17 and my youngest son is 15. I love all four of them equally. There has never been a favorite. They all grew up in the same home with the same parents. My husband and I have always tried to give them love, support and everything we could. We weren't perfect parents but we genuinely tried our best. That's why this hurts so much because no matter what we've done over the years, nothing has changed.

My second son has had some health problems since he was little. He has never been seriously disabled or anything like that. He can take care of himself, he goes out on his own, he has hobbies, he has friends and he doesn't need someone looking after him all the time. He's just different from the other three. He's not as sharp, fast or energetic as they are and he has always had a weaker immune system. He would get sick more often and sometimes he needed more attention from us than the others did. As parents we couldn't just ignore that. If one of your children needs you more at certain times you naturally give them that extra care. We never loved him more than the others. We simply responded to what each child needed.

Because of his health there were times we had to cancel family vacations or trips at the last minute. We never felt right leaving one child behind while taking the other three. Looking back now I know those moments affected the others more than we realized. They missed out on some things because of it. But it wasn't like their childhood was full of disappointment. They still had birthday parties, holidays, sleepovers, school trips, sports, time with friends and special moments with us. We always tried to make sure every child had attention and opportunities. It just wasn't always possible to make everything perfect.

As they got older though, especially around sixteen or seventeen, something changed. The frustration they had toward us slowly became resentment toward their brother. Instead of blaming the situation they started blaming him. It was like in their minds he became the reason they had missed out on certain memories as kids. From that point things just kept getting worse. They stopped inviting him to things. If they planned to go somewhere together they left him out. If they were hanging out at home they acted like he wasn't there. They have a lot of the same friends because they're close in age but they rarely include him. Even their friends have started treating him like he's invisible because they follow the example my other kids set.

The hardest part for me isn't even the exclusion. It's hearing the words they say to him. More than once I've overheard them telling him they wish he had never been part of the family or that they don't want him around. Every time I hear something like that it feels like someone is ripping my heart apart. I look at my son and he never screams back or starts a fight. He just goes quiet. He smiles less than he used to. Sometimes he'll simply walk back to his room like he's already expecting it. Watching your own child slowly believe he doesn't belong in his own family is something I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Last week was another example that completely broke me. The other three bought tickets to a music concert together. My second son was excited because he likes the artist too. He asked if he could come with them. They had already bought tickets for themselves and never even considered buying one for him. They told him no and left without him. He didn't throw a tantrum or beg. He just said okay and went back to his room. I don't even think he expects to be included anymore. That acceptance hurts more than if he had cried.

The thing that makes this even harder is that he's genuinely such a sweet kid. He's gentle, kind and thoughtful. He has never been the child causing problems or getting into trouble. He's incredibly talented in his own way. He paints beautifully. Honestly some of his artwork amazes me. He has found a small group of friends through art classes and local galleries. He goes to exhibitions, talks to other artists and that's where I actually see him smile. Those people appreciate him for who he is. Sometimes I wonder if complete strangers understand my son better than his own siblings do.

My husband and I have spent years trying to fix this. We've had countless conversations with all of them. We've explained how hurtful their behavior is. We've asked them to imagine how they would feel if the roles were reversed. We've tried family time, one-on-one talks, setting rules and encouraging them to spend time together. We've cried in front of them.

I'm just so tired. I feel like I've failed all of my children somehow. I feel guilty toward my second son because he deserves siblings who love him and accept him. I also feel guilty toward my other three because maybe somewhere along the way they carried resentment that we didn't recognize soon enough. I keep replaying every parenting decision in my head wondering where we went wrong. Maybe we made mistakes. I'm sure we did. Every parent does. But I never imagined it would end with one of my children feeling like an outsider in the only family he's ever known.

I don't even know what I'm hoping to get from posting this. Maybe someone has been through something similar. Maybe someone has advice. Or maybe I just needed to tell someone because I've carried this pain for years and it feels unbearably lonely. I honestly pray no child ever has to wonder why their own brothers and sister don't want them around and I pray no mother ever has to stand there watching it happen while feeling completely powerless to stop it.

OP posts:
Lunde · 27/07/2026 18:16

PatchworkCow · 27/07/2026 18:01

And when they tried to walk out that door to go to a concert together? Oh yeah, a whole heap of hassle about how they should take the fourth sibling with them.

They are trying to peaceably get on with their lives. Did they make a song and dance about getting concert tickets? Did they mock their brother and rub his nose in it that he's not coming? (Did they even know he likes that band, if they're not close and he moves in a different social circle to them?) No, no dramatics, they just organised it among themselves, bought the tickets and the first anyone knew of it was when they got ready to leave. At which point they had their brother asking to come along and their parents giving them grief for saying no.

The 15 and 17 yr old can't realistically leave home yet, you can't sign a rental agreement until you're 18 for private rental and there's no council housing available without special circumstances and years of waiting. The 20yr old is probably trying to hold out another year to finish their degree so they can get a good enough job to afford a private rental. By then the middle is a 18, youngest will be 16 and all can legally live where they like, all will have national insurance number so can get jobs, so I imagine the whole lot will be gone then if the coercive control by their parents doesn't stop.

@PatchworkCow

You need to check out my post at 16.17 - I pasted it in here before the thread disappeared

OP started a new thread today (currently hidden) that tells a completely different story about the 19 or 18 year old's situation when sounds like a serious MH issue that OP is in denial about

  • has refused to believe that his family is his family since the age of 3 and believes he has another family
  • never got on with siblings because they are not his family
  • used to swear at people - but apparently that is down to cartoons
  • is cold andcontrolling towards the 17 year old girl
  • is misogynistic
  • but OP doesn't want anyone to think he has MH problem

It could be that we are being had by OP but is puts another perspective on this thread

NotAnotherScarf · 27/07/2026 18:16

SummerPeonies2026 · 27/07/2026 13:22

Imagine having a sibling ‘jammed’ into your life. Wth am I reading? I am seriously wondering if OP’s teens are posting on here - it has to be them.

I can assure you I'm not related to the op, but whilst jammed isn't quite the way I'd put it...his welfare has been put first. Always.

Remember he's not disabled. He's perfectly able to cope with life and from what the op has said, apart from a traumatic birth, all thats wrong is he was effected badly by respiratory infections. With the need for an operation which was successful.

The other kids had holidays, trips and other events cancelled at the last minute. They were placed last. Its clear that grandparents were there to look after him as well as 2 parents.

But no they had to cancel. And the op clearly expects the other kids to accept that he comes first and must be included.

Would you accept that?

Lunde · 27/07/2026 18:18

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 27/07/2026 18:09

"If the other teens don’t like it - the door is that way ➡️"

Yes, I imagine at some point soon the 20 year old will walk out of the door for good. And then the 17 year old and the 15 year old will join in due course, and no introspection will be done!

@pucelleauxblanchesmains

OP has posted some very different information today - I pasted it into this thread at 16.17 and her new thread is now hidden

But it appears the 19 year old has some serious MH issues and is very nasty to his sister

PatchworkCow · 27/07/2026 18:25

Wow @Lunde that is no great surprise TBH. The others aren't disliking him for no reason, so it's either that being around him causes them some kind of problems regarding their parents, needing to provide some kind of support or care for their brother, or they've good reason for not liking him.

He also has the same dysfunctional parents as the others. Despite being the favourite child, it doesn't mean he's had things easy or that his upbringing was rosey. Being put on a pedestal just means you have higher to fall from. Maybe he's developing mental illness and is heavily masking it when he can. He sounds really messed up.

I'm not surprised about feeling not part of the family either. He has other interests to the three siblings, poor health compared to the rest of the family and has been "othered" by his parents all his life, with the consequences that's caused for his relationships with his family. It's bound to have affected him mentally. With a mother like his it's hardly surprising that he dislikes women too. What a disaster. We haven't heard much about what his dad's like but her husband seems to side with OP, from her posts. I was thinking it's a miracle for any of the DC to turn out vaguely normal, with their parents and upbringing.

InterIgnis · 27/07/2026 19:53

PatchworkCow · 27/07/2026 18:25

Wow @Lunde that is no great surprise TBH. The others aren't disliking him for no reason, so it's either that being around him causes them some kind of problems regarding their parents, needing to provide some kind of support or care for their brother, or they've good reason for not liking him.

He also has the same dysfunctional parents as the others. Despite being the favourite child, it doesn't mean he's had things easy or that his upbringing was rosey. Being put on a pedestal just means you have higher to fall from. Maybe he's developing mental illness and is heavily masking it when he can. He sounds really messed up.

I'm not surprised about feeling not part of the family either. He has other interests to the three siblings, poor health compared to the rest of the family and has been "othered" by his parents all his life, with the consequences that's caused for his relationships with his family. It's bound to have affected him mentally. With a mother like his it's hardly surprising that he dislikes women too. What a disaster. We haven't heard much about what his dad's like but her husband seems to side with OP, from her posts. I was thinking it's a miracle for any of the DC to turn out vaguely normal, with their parents and upbringing.

More than that, according to OP he says things to his sister that no man, and especially no brother, should say, to paraphrase OP. So reading between the lines, he sexually harasses her.

WearyAuldWumman · 27/07/2026 20:05

InterIgnis · 27/07/2026 19:53

More than that, according to OP he says things to his sister that no man, and especially no brother, should say, to paraphrase OP. So reading between the lines, he sexually harasses her.

If both threads are true, then it explains why the other brothers are sticking with their sister: they're looking after her.

SuddenLull · 27/07/2026 20:19

Lunde · 27/07/2026 18:16

@PatchworkCow

You need to check out my post at 16.17 - I pasted it in here before the thread disappeared

OP started a new thread today (currently hidden) that tells a completely different story about the 19 or 18 year old's situation when sounds like a serious MH issue that OP is in denial about

  • has refused to believe that his family is his family since the age of 3 and believes he has another family
  • never got on with siblings because they are not his family
  • used to swear at people - but apparently that is down to cartoons
  • is cold andcontrolling towards the 17 year old girl
  • is misogynistic
  • but OP doesn't want anyone to think he has MH problem

It could be that we are being had by OP but is puts another perspective on this thread

Thanks for that! How illuminating.

AnAutumnCrow · 27/07/2026 20:24

Lunde · 27/07/2026 16:17

OK - having read OP's new thread it tells a totally different story where the "miracle" "excluded" child appears to have a severe MH disorder and constructed a fantasy world since the age of 3. The excluded son was rude, misogynistic, cold and controlling

Totally different story from OP and it is clear why the other 3 don't want to socialize

My bold/underlining
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My 18 year old son has been saying we are not his real family since he was a toddler and I don't know what to think

Marielouisee · Today 15:38
I don't know what to do so I'm writing here
My son is 18 years old and ever since he was little there have been things that I just cannot explain

As a kid he could be the sweetest boy and then suddenly become rude and start using curse words We ignored it because we thought he was just a child and would grow out of it

When he was about 3 years old he started saying that we were not his parents and not his real family By the time he was 5 he would cry and say he felt lonely because his real family was somewhere else Sometimes he even mentioned names that he believed were his parents Around the age of 7 he started talking about Los Angeles and the year 1972 He also seemed to know the names of old cars without anyone teaching him

My husband and I took him to doctors and they all said it was probably from cartoons movies or things he had heard from adults

Growing up he never really bonded with his older brother or younger sister He would sometimes say that he had a bigger family somewhere else
Around the age of 12 all of this seemed to stop He became a sweet normal kid and we thought it was finally over

Then about a year ago things slowly started changing again My daughter noticed him crying alone but whenever we asked him he denied it Sometimes I look at him and he feels like a completely different person His way of talking his expressions even the way he looks at people changes

I once heard him talking to my other son about women and it was unbelievably misogynistic Even for an 18 year old it shocked me Sometimes he says things to my daughter that no brother should say Not in a threatening way but in a very cold and controlling way especially about her boyfriend Then a little while later he goes back to acting completely normal like nothing happened

Last Friday he broke down crying and told us that we have never been his real family and never would be Then he left the house for a while

Another thing I noticed over the years is that he has always been obsessed with airplanes He would play with toy planes for hours and sometimes even cry while holding them He is also deeply interested in the 1960s and 1970s and spends a lot of time reading about that period

I am Catholic and I do not usually believe in things like past lives or anything supernatural but sometimes I honestly do not know what to think I am scared to even tell people because I do not want anyone thinking my son is mentally ill or treating him differently

I love him more than anything He is my son no matter what It just breaks my heart every time he tells me that I am not his real mother
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Thank you, @Lunde. It's difficult to know what to say now really.

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 27/07/2026 20:28

AnAutumnCrow · 27/07/2026 20:24

Thank you, @Lunde. It's difficult to know what to say now really.

All I can say is hope it’s not real if op is pedestaling her 19 yo son to who is sexual inappropriate to his sister, and his not being invited to a gig is more upsetting than that?

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 28/07/2026 02:28

Lunde · 27/07/2026 16:17

OK - having read OP's new thread it tells a totally different story where the "miracle" "excluded" child appears to have a severe MH disorder and constructed a fantasy world since the age of 3. The excluded son was rude, misogynistic, cold and controlling

Totally different story from OP and it is clear why the other 3 don't want to socialize

My bold/underlining
................................................................................................

My 18 year old son has been saying we are not his real family since he was a toddler and I don't know what to think

Marielouisee · Today 15:38
I don't know what to do so I'm writing here
My son is 18 years old and ever since he was little there have been things that I just cannot explain

As a kid he could be the sweetest boy and then suddenly become rude and start using curse words We ignored it because we thought he was just a child and would grow out of it

When he was about 3 years old he started saying that we were not his parents and not his real family By the time he was 5 he would cry and say he felt lonely because his real family was somewhere else Sometimes he even mentioned names that he believed were his parents Around the age of 7 he started talking about Los Angeles and the year 1972 He also seemed to know the names of old cars without anyone teaching him

My husband and I took him to doctors and they all said it was probably from cartoons movies or things he had heard from adults

Growing up he never really bonded with his older brother or younger sister He would sometimes say that he had a bigger family somewhere else
Around the age of 12 all of this seemed to stop He became a sweet normal kid and we thought it was finally over

Then about a year ago things slowly started changing again My daughter noticed him crying alone but whenever we asked him he denied it Sometimes I look at him and he feels like a completely different person His way of talking his expressions even the way he looks at people changes

I once heard him talking to my other son about women and it was unbelievably misogynistic Even for an 18 year old it shocked me Sometimes he says things to my daughter that no brother should say Not in a threatening way but in a very cold and controlling way especially about her boyfriend Then a little while later he goes back to acting completely normal like nothing happened

Last Friday he broke down crying and told us that we have never been his real family and never would be Then he left the house for a while

Another thing I noticed over the years is that he has always been obsessed with airplanes He would play with toy planes for hours and sometimes even cry while holding them He is also deeply interested in the 1960s and 1970s and spends a lot of time reading about that period

I am Catholic and I do not usually believe in things like past lives or anything supernatural but sometimes I honestly do not know what to think I am scared to even tell people because I do not want anyone thinking my son is mentally ill or treating him differently

I love him more than anything He is my son no matter what It just breaks my heart every time he tells me that I am not his real mother
.......................................................................................

Methinks the OP has a wild imagination and probably no kids.

Wadsworthy · 28/07/2026 03:26

Given the recent cut & paste from @Marielouisee 's other thread, I suspect they're both practice for a creative writing assignment, or AI slop ...

Lots of similarities in phrasing, and the emotional thwack of the story, even though the supposed invalid son is actually a devil's spawn

NotAnotherScarf · 28/07/2026 08:04

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 28/07/2026 02:28

Methinks the OP has a wild imagination and probably no kids.

I think you are right and they are the one with mh issues...as they talk about the same kids sooo differently

twinklystar23 · 28/07/2026 12:00

It sounds so difficult OP and think you are getting some really harsh unfair comments, but also some helpful ones. I ran groups for disabled young people and many hated the fact that their disability singled them out quite often the words "burden" and "a chore" " feel bad when family activities were cancelled due to their health condition"

Going forward I think it would be entirely reasonable to set boundaries on behaviour many have pointed out that your son is being bullied by his siblings, entirely the case so consequences for this behaviour need to be initiated - without guilt. Obviously the same for visitors who you can clearly exclude for this behaviour.

The buying tickets to an event to go together, clearly excluding him, is not on. Some have said that they likely would have been worries that you would stop them going if his health was impacting attendance - really? Surely they as older teens/young adult would just go?

Rightly or wrongly your 3 children have become a gang and you now need to subtely start intervening. You did say you gave 1-1 time, but might be worth considering what form this took, did they feel or speak about their grievances ? Do you still have this time with them as individuals. They may have evolved a "script" which they reinforce to each other, (brothers disability always meant we missed out) speaking to them as individuals may give insight and more importantly the opportunity to challenge if this is what they truly believe or part of what has become their possibly shared (not necessarily) correct belief, a belief which may give them a shared feeling of support but which may also lead to unjustified behaviours leading to the bullying you are witnessing.

Is there as others have said a ringleader? Or one who is unduly influencing the other two.

Try to avoid direct punishments, that is not to say consequences for bad behaviour.

Equally validate their individual experiences, without judgement.

My twins couldnt be in the same room as teens, they are now incredibly close. However one did feel bullied by the other when teenagers. I did say (to son who felt bullied) did he feel he could say this to his brother? I dont know if he ever did. However the fact they now have a great relationship is great, as well as with their elder brother. They are in their 20s now, so don't give up hope!

Wishing you all the best.

twinklystar23 · 28/07/2026 12:09

Wow, this thread has moved on! I was at aroun p13 when I posted.....

Lunde · 28/07/2026 12:14

twinklystar23 · 28/07/2026 12:00

It sounds so difficult OP and think you are getting some really harsh unfair comments, but also some helpful ones. I ran groups for disabled young people and many hated the fact that their disability singled them out quite often the words "burden" and "a chore" " feel bad when family activities were cancelled due to their health condition"

Going forward I think it would be entirely reasonable to set boundaries on behaviour many have pointed out that your son is being bullied by his siblings, entirely the case so consequences for this behaviour need to be initiated - without guilt. Obviously the same for visitors who you can clearly exclude for this behaviour.

The buying tickets to an event to go together, clearly excluding him, is not on. Some have said that they likely would have been worries that you would stop them going if his health was impacting attendance - really? Surely they as older teens/young adult would just go?

Rightly or wrongly your 3 children have become a gang and you now need to subtely start intervening. You did say you gave 1-1 time, but might be worth considering what form this took, did they feel or speak about their grievances ? Do you still have this time with them as individuals. They may have evolved a "script" which they reinforce to each other, (brothers disability always meant we missed out) speaking to them as individuals may give insight and more importantly the opportunity to challenge if this is what they truly believe or part of what has become their possibly shared (not necessarily) correct belief, a belief which may give them a shared feeling of support but which may also lead to unjustified behaviours leading to the bullying you are witnessing.

Is there as others have said a ringleader? Or one who is unduly influencing the other two.

Try to avoid direct punishments, that is not to say consequences for bad behaviour.

Equally validate their individual experiences, without judgement.

My twins couldnt be in the same room as teens, they are now incredibly close. However one did feel bullied by the other when teenagers. I did say (to son who felt bullied) did he feel he could say this to his brother? I dont know if he ever did. However the fact they now have a great relationship is great, as well as with their elder brother. They are in their 20s now, so don't give up hope!

Wishing you all the best.

@twinklystar23

You need to read the whole thread - or at least the past couple of days. OP started a new thread yesterday (now deleted) that paints a completely different picture of her "quiet and kind" second child.

It was pasted into this thread at 16.17 yesterday but the OP (if this is not a hoax) describes the son as as cold, controlling, misogynistic, inappropriate with his sister and having a delusion since he was a small child that his family is not really his family and refusing to have anything to do with his siblings because he believes they are not his siblings and his "real" siblings are elsewhere.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 28/07/2026 12:29

The Op hasn't returned,

and the Op has started another thread - which MumsNet has ' hidden for now...

twinklystar23 · 28/07/2026 12:54

@lunde hence my update at 12.09

Tableforjoan · 28/07/2026 13:33

Point proven that there was always more to the story. 3 children and their friends don’t all hate one sibling for no reason.

Wadsworthy · 28/07/2026 13:47

If either thread describes a real life situation ...

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/07/2026 14:10

Wadsworthy · 28/07/2026 03:26

Given the recent cut & paste from @Marielouisee 's other thread, I suspect they're both practice for a creative writing assignment, or AI slop ...

Lots of similarities in phrasing, and the emotional thwack of the story, even though the supposed invalid son is actually a devil's spawn

This. Let's hope it's cobblers.

SilverTotoro · 28/07/2026 16:21

Sorry OP but you are picking favourites. Banning their friends from your house considering telling a 17 and 15 year old they can no longer live with you because they exclude a sibling - this is not good nor is it fair parenting. You are allowed to feel sorry for your son. It’s fine to pull them up for being outright rude or aggressive to him. But you should not target your other children for simply not liking their sibling. Even though it may be hurtful they are allowed to not like him, resent him and to find him annoying. You cannot force that to change and the more you try and the more you penalise them the bigger the wedge between them and him will grow and the more they will resent both him and you.

TheContinent · 29/07/2026 16:14

Lunde · 27/07/2026 18:16

@PatchworkCow

You need to check out my post at 16.17 - I pasted it in here before the thread disappeared

OP started a new thread today (currently hidden) that tells a completely different story about the 19 or 18 year old's situation when sounds like a serious MH issue that OP is in denial about

  • has refused to believe that his family is his family since the age of 3 and believes he has another family
  • never got on with siblings because they are not his family
  • used to swear at people - but apparently that is down to cartoons
  • is cold andcontrolling towards the 17 year old girl
  • is misogynistic
  • but OP doesn't want anyone to think he has MH problem

It could be that we are being had by OP but is puts another perspective on this thread

Clearly a boy with special needs.

toadinthewotsit · 01/08/2026 15:03

He sounds like a desparately unhappy child as described in the other, now hidden thread.Its not uncommon for children to believe/wish they were adopted when they feel alienated from their own family-maybe the older sibling unkindness started early.

SlightlyTerrifiedButPolite · 03/08/2026 08:48

reading about the other hidden thread. How very sad. This is exactly what happened in my house growing up. My sister from an early age had severe mental health issues and was multiple times diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, substance abuse issues from 12. My parents could not engage with it and lived in denial. My dad’s dad had the same condition and my mum’s dad was an alcoholic.

Ignored suggestions for treatment (they did allow her onto a non targeted anti depressant at 11 but that barely touched the sides). Me and my brother were blamed for ALL of her behaviour and constantly villainised by my parents, alongside being terrorised and bullied by my sister. Increasing punishments and it left lasting self esteem issues for us both. My brother still can’t receive a gift at 35 without getting very upset by it as he has stuff taken from him all the time from literally 4 years old by my parents

Fast forward 20 years. My sister’s psychiatric issues became undeniable to them about 5 years ago when she eventually and inevitably turned on them, having gotten her way and driven us away. Like my parents taught her, it was never her fault and so it was only a matter of time until she could only blame them. My parents were genuinely afraid she would burn down their house for a time. But it left my parents not only to face the music and but do repair work with me and my brother

I understand psychological denial is a powerful thing, but the short term “easy fix” (blaming schools, friends and siblings) is just a recipe for long term pain for all involved

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