Lucy Letby

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New thread as the last one has filled up.

Which tells you precisely nothing about whether she committed any crimes.

The searching patients on Facebook thing is something I’ve seen healthcare professionals do (I assume out of pure intrigue/nosiness).
I worked and lived with healthcare professionals in my 20s and saw this happen.

I could imagine it could get out of control if you didn’t have much going on in your life other than work.

That pretty much sums up my position.

For me the biggest thing that pricked up my ears was the phrase "force of a car crash" ..... I'd heard that or similar before. Even then I expected there to be some definitive evidence on what had happened - that someone had seen her rough handling, or maybe a deliberate drop was being framed as an accident by the defence. When I actually read the details about this supposed attack I was just flabbergasted at how it had been passed by the CPS as meeting threshold.

The rest as we say, is history.

June 2015 – The Initial Searches

• 9 June 2015: Letby searched for the mother of Child A (who was murdered on 8 June) and Child B(who was attacked on 9 June).
• 10 June 2015: A second search was conducted for the mother of Children A and B.
• 13 June 2015: Letby searched for the mother of Children A and B for a third time.
• 14 June 2015: Letby searched for the mother of Child C at 11:54 PM, just hours before Child C collapsed and died in the early hours of 14 June.
• 25 June 2015: Letby searched for the parents of Children A and B at 9:50 PM. 1, 2, 3]

September to October 2015 – Late-Night Monitoring

• 2 September 2015: Letby searched for the mother of Children A and B.
• 5 October 2015: In the early morning hours, Letby conducted searches for the mothers of Child I and the father of Children E and F. 1]

November 2015 – Concentrated Activity

• 5 November 2015: Within a four-minute window late at night, Letby performed multiple, consecutive searches for the families of Children E, F, G, and I. 1]

Late 2015 to 2016 – Ongoing Searches & Anniversaries

• 7 December 2015: Letby searched for the mother of Child G.
• 25 December 2015 (Christmas Day): Letby searched Facebook for the families of Child I and Children E and F.
• January 2016: Letby searched for the mother of Child G on both 11 January and 20 January.
• June 2016: On the one-year anniversary of the death of Child A, Letby searched for his mother on Facebook.

I wonder how child A popped back into her head exactly a year later to prompt her FB snoop!

Yep I think I only briefly saw things about it here or there but that's my attitude to people being charged in general, i assume there must be a significant case against them, my bias is to assume that the person is in fact guilty, but then once the trial starts or is over I will weigh up the evidence to see whether it would convince me beyond reasonable doubt.

Never in a million years did I think that in this day and age the state would be so careless with their expert evidence though especially not for something so serious when someone is facing a whole life order, which is no better than a death sentence, but that was obviously very naive and this case has really opened my eyes.

Are you saying that the scientific and "statistical" data was irrelevant to the trial entirely? Or just that only Dewis magic "science" is relevant? If so why bother having any experts at all?

Fuck me, we're time travelling to Salem again, aren't we?

The weirdest things can prompt someone popping into your head and you don’t always know why. I found myself thinking of someone I worked with over ten years ago earlier because I was behind someone in a shop with the same accent. I can honestly say I have not given that woman a thought for the best part of a decade. I did actually have a quick Facebook stalk as well!

I’m talking about what you categorise as weird behaviour. You think that Letby’s behaviour is too weird to ignore, even though you admit there is no evidence she harmed a baby and that the medical stuff doesn’t stack up. You say it’s all too much.
I’m simply pointing out that working hard and focusing on your career in your 20s isn’t weird. That’s a much more plausible reason for her being at work a lot than lurking around hoping to harm babies.
Similarly, having done the extra hard yards, it’s not unreasonable to want to be allocated the higher acuity patients, especially when there are concerns about staffing and ill babies are being nursed by people who aren’t qualified to look after them. There was a major problem with this which undoubtedly will turn out to have an impact on the mortality rate.
The garbled notes were written when she knew she was accused, so I think it’s likely that her mental health was suffering at that point. Most people’s would be. So far nothing weird for me.
Then we have the fact that she clearly went home after most shifts with her notes in her pocket. She then couldn’t just chuck them in the bin so she shoved them into various bags. It indicates that she was disorganised about that but there is no evidence she treated notes relating to specific babies any differently than others. The police lied on the Netflix show to make the handover notes malarkey sound damning.
I finished work a month ago and I have a huge pile of notebooks containing handwritten notes. Some of them are highly confidential and getting rid of them is going to be a royal pain in the arse. I also have a box of paperwork relating to my divorce despite having been remarried for 15 years and all the research from my masters of approximately the same vintage. I am perfectly sane and not particularly messy.

And finally, I was interested to know if you feel the vindictive and salacious content shared on here by certain people on what appear to be personal crusades is weird behaviour. I guess because for me it feels rational to be interested in what’s happened with all the awful revelations about the medical evidence and the issues surrounding the investigation, which seem to be getting worse, because I’m potentially personally impacted by failures in the NHS and British justice system. However it doesn’t feel rational to be in denial that there’s anything to see here and desperately campaigning to keep someone in prison who may be a victim of a MOJ.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear.

@MistressoftheDarkSide

Dewis magic science/evidence is a damn sight more reliable and relevant than anything you have ever said about this case

You are projecting your own personal issues and the two are not related

This has been an outlet for you to attack the system that has caused you pain but there could be other healthier ways to express that rather than impose your suspicions upon others over something that is entirely unrelated

And if someone says they found Letby weird then they can say that?! Can you not see the hypocrisy and irony here?

It’s a basic perception that anyone can feel - so why the fixation?!

Oh sweetie. Bigger, better and allegedly more qualified have patronised me over the years for daring to question "the system" when it doesn't work as it should and becomes mired in emotive dogma.

You're going to have to try harder with your cod psychology and insults 😘

@MistressoftheDarkSide

See below - that’s what you are doing - maybe be careful? Or you are so clever you can absolutely prove your claims?

Thought not.

And yes I am a sweetie ❤️

In law, libellous describes a false statement that is put into a permanent or fixed form—such as writing, print, pictures, online posts, or video broadcasts—and causes or is likely to cause serious harm to a person's or organization's reputation. It is a form of defamation, distinct from slander, which is spoken and temporary.

Core Legal Elements

• Permanent Form: Recorded in text, emails, social media posts, websites, videos, or images.
• False Statement: Presented as a fact rather than pure, protected opinion.
• Identification: Clearly points to a specific person or business.
• Publication: Shared with at least one third party other than the person defamed.
• Serious Harm: Lowers the victim in the eyes of regular people or causes major financial/social damage

I dont think it shows a healthy mind if someone has communicated face.to face.....one would expect sincerity at such an awful.moment...with ppl who've just been through a hideous experience...the loss of.their child for goodness sake.........and literally in no time at all you're needing to spy on them on FB. What is it you need to get from FB that you didn't just get from them there in the room with you.. Why spy? Why gather other information behind their back..Why ? " oh everybody does that. Oh she's just having a bit of a nose". Oh no it's not ok. It's insulting to the parents. It's creepy. It"s weird. It's just bloody wrong. Nobody here seems even remotely willing to stand up and say....you know what......there is something really out of order about this woman. I'm not going to argue anymore because it's pointless to talk to ppl who are determined to be selective in what they consider to be true. At least I"ve been willing to admit when I've been wrong or when someone has made a valid point. If nobody is willing to even consider that this woman might be something more than the.face she presents to the world then it's not worth talking. Some of LL's behaviour has been seriously off and nobody is honest enough to admit it because it muddies the waters.

Can you explain this? I don't understand how medical evidence can tell us nothing about whether Letby committed any crimes, unless you're talking about traffic violations, in which case I agree. As far as murder, though, the fact that there is no evidence that any murders were committed tells us rather a lot about whether Letby committed any murders.

That’s precisely what it tells you.

@Daygloboo

Many people think her behaviour was off however this is something of a supporters thread so you won’t find many in here admitting it

I don't know who put this list together, but it's not accurate. Child C died in the early hours of 14th June. A search for the child's parents at 11.54pm on that date was after the child's death, not before. Some of the other dates don't match trial records. Was this made by AI?

Since we know Lucy Letby was making hundreds of searches a month, presenting a list like this really does give a false impression of her focusing on these children. She seems to have included families on the ward or whom she remembered on the ward in her Facebook habit.

Blimey. The courts are going to be busy if this is about things people have said all over the internet about all parties in the case.

Or are you threatening me personally because you think I have libelled you?

Or someone pertinent to my own case?

Very confused where you're going with this.

I think it is about Dewi Evans.

Will all your very real eloquence, I don't think you could damage Evans's reputation, somehow!

As to his substituting magic for science - well, truth is a defence to libel!

Yes I've realised that.It's pointless. Pll getting nasty when you dont agree with them, even if you are making a perfectly valid point that a more neutral person would at least consider before rejecting. It's not worth it. I"m.out.

We know that medical professionals are nosy.

A child was thrown into a crocodile pit at a zoo in Cambridgeshire and is being treated at Addenbrooke’s hospital.

Over 40 staff are under investigation for accessing his hospital records. Disciplinary action and potentially criminal charges may be brought. I am sure none of those staff would have thought what they were doing was that serious, and it certainly doesn’t indicate anything except that they are nosy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg5kvpdd15o

Weird is very subjective and a lot of the behaviour that was deemed ‘weird’ happened under extreme stress when she was on strong medication numbing emotions.

But tbh, her personal demeanour and character are not (or should not have been) on trial.

I have a brother who is extremely eccentric. He is autistic and attempts to self medicate by taking copious amounts of over the counter medication. He’s also become extremely isolated as he’s got older so has lost a lot of the masking skills he once had. He is not violent or belligerent in his manner and in fact is generally very mild mannered. Just … odd. Some people are.

Really strange people generally don’t successfully hold down jobs and manage adult lives like buying a home (Letby had a three bedroom house in Chester which may not be Mayfair but is nonetheless not a cheap place to live on her own when she was what, 25?) and having friends, especially loyal friendships going back decades or more.

But let’s all agree she was strange, socially inept, jealous of the babies born. Fine. Maybe she was: so I might not want to be friends with her or invite her to my party (my five year olds favourite insult) - it still only makes her a murderer if murders happened.

But why do you NEED to search anything if you"ve.been there with them. What the hell are you searching for..If you cant see how suspicious that looks then I'm not going to spell it out to you.

If we unequivocally agreed murders had happened; someone murdered those babies then yes it would be suspicious.

If you don’t agree that’s the case (and I don’t) then it looks like someone being nosy.