Lucy Letby

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New thread as the last one has filled up.

Good idea.

Worry about other cases later this is the most open and shut one ever and should have been from the start. The mess the police made is just incredible but we cannot change that it is time to tidy it up or at least try to help. We all know she is innocent this is about 10 years of punishing an innocent women for nhs issues, totally mental.

Your reaction is based on your interpretation of what has been reported. And your approach to the case is fairly superficial. I’ve no idea what your idea of “weird” has to do with being a murderer.

regularly doing extra shifts

She was saving up for a house. And loved the work. Was also single, so work was her “family”. All these things are common enough, and the vast majority of people who do them aren’t serial baby killers. So even if 100% of serial killers do them, they’re not meaningful evidence of being one. If 100% of criminals eat potatoes, that doesn’t make potato-eating a useful marker of criminality.

That said, if we’re not talking about evidence used to jail people, but just to form personal opinions, that’s of course a wholly different thing. How we judge others is very individual and vibe-based.

Wards are under staffed so all nurses do extra shifts especially nurses without other responsibilities like Letby. She also had the ICU training I believe and was in demand. And regarding 'being at the centre of drama' I'm not a neonatal/paeds nurse so don't know exactly how their wards run but in general if there is a collapse it is all hands on deck - as a nurse it is your job to be at the 'centre of the drama'. So I honestly don't think those things are indicative of anything other than that Letby was a nurse.

I certainly think what I perceive as her weirdness makes her a possible candidate. Just to discount personality in that kind of killing seems odd to me. I'm sure 'concrete' evidence has been used to convict people in serial killer trials to date, but I bet forensic psychologists have given reports too. But it's irrelevant because nothing I say has direct bearing on the case. We'll see what happens.

I do overtime and extra shifts constantly; if overtime is offered, I volunteer 99% of the time. I WFH, so I'm not sure who that indicates I plan on murdering? My kids? My neighbours? My dog?

Although I will admit the postie is on shaky ground if he keeps ignoring my note to leave parcels on the step and not to knock.

Yeah but youre not in a healthcare setting I presume.

No, but when I was I was at the top of the Out of Hours admin team's speed dial list, to the point where they called me and offered me an extra night shift a week after I'd finished working my notice. I was, in their words, their BFF. I took the shift, btw, after it was established I was still covered by their insurance and still on payroll pending the end-of-month updates.

I managed not murder anyone even though I was working overtime for a company I technically no longer worked for.

Well, all I can say is if you are discussing the potential for murdering in hospital while WFH then you must have bloody long arms.

Her weirdness are you nuts ?

Was she weird or were lazy hopeless doctors telling us she was ?

Everything about her life suggests she was not odd at all quite the opposite.

The evidence they used to convict her was utter garbabe.

Thank you for answering @Daygloboo, I understand that perspective and agree about the mess that’s been made of the case. I do feel for the families that it’s unlikely they’ll ever get true closure on this. And if LL is innocent then obviously it’s very sad for her too.

I’m feeling around 90/10 in favour of her not being guilty. I was probably 60/40 the other way when she was convicted but it’s the latest medical evidence that influenced me (having a healthcare background/masters).

Yes me. I was convinced she was guilty until about a year ago when I read lots of documents and info about her and the case. I now think she’s innocent. But I’m not a legal or medical expert.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if she were to be released at some point. I suppose she'd either disappear, or there'd be a huge media circus around it.

Um.. I volunteered to work extra shifts in a healthcare setting when I was saving for a house deposit and I definitely didn’t add anything untoward to the medicines I was making.

Hospital staff volunteer to cover unfilled shifts all the time. How is this suspicious?

what I perceive as her weirdness makes her a possible candidate...
in serial killer trials to date, but I bet forensic psychologists have given reports

But "what I perceive as her weirdness" from second-hand reports does not sound very forensic. Forensic methods have to be validated, well-defined and reproducible.

@Daygloboo I didn't work from home when I worked in a health care setting, either as a carer or as IT support. I still did overtime, although there wasn't much overtime going on the IT support side of things.

I’m still calmly waiting for the poster who said that she just had a bad feeling, because something about Lucy‘s demeanour upon arrest seemed off, to reply.

Strangely enough she hasn’t…

I"m not claiming to be a forensic psychologist. I'm saying in that kind of trial and investigation,,...of ppl who do seriously out of the ordinary things.....forensic psychologists are often involved.

If the bar of weirdness is set that low then half the country could be murderers.

But what has she done that’s objectively out of the ordinary?

Well, I dont think the bar is that low for her.

I mean serial killer trial, and she was accused of serial killing. I would have thought forensic psychologists would have been brought in. Or maybe they did give evidence. I dont know.

But you haven’t said what she has done that’s objectively weird.

She FB searched some parents, she worked a lot of shifts, her life centred around her work, she was keen to work with the sickest babies, she took home handover sheets and failed to destroy them. Some of these would be frowned upon by her managers. Some of them are totally normal for healthcare staff.

Thank you for answering. I think in retrospect I was maybe too swayed by the expert opinion of Dewi Evan’s as there wasn’t much to counter it but I find the insight offered since more credible, researched and frankly a lot more likely.
I do reserve a small amount of uncertainty (as I rarely deal in absolutes and am not often 100% convinced of much), but I do strongly suspect a MOJ in this case.