Lucy Letby

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New thread as the last one has filled up.

The thing is that a forensic psychologist may well say that if a person committed crimes then this behaviour may well make sense because of x, y and z about them and that x, y and z behaviour may have been because she was relishing her crimes etc etc but they would also have to concede that this behaviour could also be seen in people who have not committed any crimes, and it's not really particularly unusual, it wouldn't be a case of oh this is indicative of being a psychopath for example, but there's a small chance a normal innocent person could do it. There'a a very high chance an innocent person could bahave like that, the behavior just isn't that odd at all.

If anything, if a forensic psychologist is going to be brought into a retrial it will be on the defense side.

This is 100% spot on! Complete lack on insight into these jobs, how they work and how they might affect people

Absolutely not. They talk a good argument on here but unfortunately they're wrong. I'm not sure what happens when conspiracy theories manage to convince most of the public something is true when it's not but I know it won't have any bearing on the justice system.

You know well that this is not a conspiracy theory, it says more about you than it does about others that you try to make out it is one.

Yeah imagine losing a baby and on that very day, the worst of your entire life-a healthcare professional who was involved in their death is looking you up on facebook! They'll gaslight they'd all be fine with this if they found out later but the vast majority of people wouldn't. It's like they're totally unable to accept it could've been done for sinister reasons.

She also made sure to do the memory boxes whenever she could-some of these parents have nothing of their child's that Lucy Letby hasn't touched. She's utter evil on so many levels. I can't really comprehend anyone being that calculating and evil-to kill a child and then to make sure you were the one who did memory boxes and dressed the baby. It's so sick.

It's when you put it all together. To me it seems weird. I'm sorry, but you simply cant tell another person what they do or dont consider weird behaviour. And I'm pretty sure there's s load of other people who'd feel.fairly uncomfortable if they were around a nurse with that bunch of behaviours too. Disordered, garbled ramblings. Bags full of notes that are long out of date. Being on duty all the bloody tome. Expressing a desire to work with the sickest babies. If I was on a ward really ill and I heard a nurse saying she really wanted to work with the sickest patients coz she was somehow motivated by the intense need in that ward, I'd run a mile. No thanks.

To quote Dewi Evans "you've just got your facts wrong" then.

Dewi Evans wouldn't know a fact if one slapped him in the face.

That poster approaches the case as if it were a football match - Forest till I die. It’s an entirely emotional rather than rational position. Unlikely to change even when proved wrong. At which point she will either disappear from the forum or continue to mutter darkly that Dewi wuz robbed.

@Aluna and you're not just as sure of your opinion 🙄

I'll say it again, I spent years defending her before the trial even started. I've already had to admit I was wrong once.

OK, you can say you think it’s weird. But I can guarantee you that in a selection of 10 nurses there’ll be several people who have done at least one of those things, and all of them will feature. You can add making a medicines error to that.

So it’s common, regardless of whether you (or indeed I) like it. And it doesn’t mean murder.

And as for wanting to care for the sickest babies - should all ambitious and driven staff who choose ICU and HDU as their careers be under suspicion of being a potential murderer?

Why on earth did you defend her before the trial started? On what basis did you form that opinion?

That just shows that once you make up your mind about something you think it's fact though, and then if you switch you think the same and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot 😅The trial hadn't even started and you spent years defending her? but then you did say you're drawn to arguments, so I suppose it doesn't matter which side you're on, you just love to argue.

Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty?

To me I find it weird that other people find things like that particularly weird. I've studied psychology but in real life I know so many people who do odd things, I just expect that a lot of people are a bit odd in their own ways and if you looked through most peoples phones/homes you'd find something that was a bit odd. It genuinely makes me wonder do some people just not know that many people?

Of course sometimes someone will do something that is so odd that I will think ok that is very odd and it will make me think something is not right here, but nothing here is anywhere close to that level to me.

If this was your family member who was accused and they wrote those notes while distressed, and had previously said they preferred to look after the sickest patients and worked a lot would you really think that that was very odd behaviour? or would you just think they had loved their job and helping the sickest patients and that they were extremely distressed that people thought they were harming babies? If you knew they had handover sheets would you think it was particularly weird?

I don’t see being at work a lot as weird at all. Some people are very work focused, she loved her job and had acquired further qualifications plus she was saving for a house deposit. What’s wrong or weird about focusing on your career and getting financially sorted in your 20s? If by garbled ramblings you mean the post it notes, don’t you think the impact of those accusations would be massive on even the most stable person’s mental health?

Do you think it’s weird behaviour of a certain person to be on here on every single thread, every single night, determinedly ignoring the rational, desperately trying to discredit people who are objectively world class experts, often resorting to ad hominem attacks, because vibes? I mean sure, let’s talk about weird behaviour.

they're totally unable to accept it could've been done for sinister reasons

The relevant question is not "could it have been done for sinister reasons", but "could it have been done for non-sinister ones". If the latter is "yes", then the former doesn't matter.

No, I'm sure. But not ALL of it. That's my point..ALL of it. It's just too much.

What are you talking about ?

Wtf is this crap.

She is innocent

Are you posting from another planet or 4 years ago ?

Oh I see, you mean you reminded people not to judge, and defended her in a general sense as you would for anyone who had been accused of anything? You didn’t actually say you thought she’d been wrongly accused. That makes sense, thank you.

I can't really comprehend anyone being that calculating and evil-to kill a child and then to make sure you were the one who did memory boxes and dressed the baby. It's so sick.

Maybe because it's very possible that this didn't actually happen.

Yeah but I can understand the scientific/statistical data.

I didn’t have an opinion before the trial, if anything I assumed there must be a significant case against her. I thought I might gain some insight into a disturbed mind.

Instead I got an initiation into shonky science.

Anything to say about the latest that has come out about Jayaram?