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Lucy Letby

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kkloo · 22/07/2026 20:03

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hotmumshit · 22/07/2026 20:11

100% believe that she is innocent, and this is proof of the fact that most people are capable of evil.

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 22/07/2026 20:14

I think she’s innocent.

I’m going entirely by gut feelings and vibes. Which is probably why I don’t work in a courtroom.

Oftenaddled · 22/07/2026 20:19

Thank you!

This is the latest news on Lucy Letby's case:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2g93n0j2ko

We had talked before on these threads about how the jury didn't see any evidence from the obstetrics notes, so had few details on complex pregnancies, mothers' conditions and labour and birth.

I think this is the first time it has been confirmed that Lucy Letby's defence asked to see these records and was refused them.

Custody image of Lucy Letby, who has long blonde hair and is wearing a red top.

Seized maternity notes not given to Lucy Letby defence

A BBC File on 4 investigation has uncovered what one professor said was a "very surprising" omission.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2g93n0j2ko

PinkTonic · 22/07/2026 20:24

Oftenaddled · 22/07/2026 20:19

Thank you!

This is the latest news on Lucy Letby's case:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2g93n0j2ko

We had talked before on these threads about how the jury didn't see any evidence from the obstetrics notes, so had few details on complex pregnancies, mothers' conditions and labour and birth.

I think this is the first time it has been confirmed that Lucy Letby's defence asked to see these records and was refused them.

Great that’s on the main BBC news site!

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 22/07/2026 20:44

The Radio 4 programme this article was written from was File on 4 last night (40 minutes long) and repeated this morning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002z746

The hospital had a history of failings sadly.

BBC Radio 4 - File on 4 Investigates, Letby Hospital: Maternity failings at the Countess of Chester

Concerns raised over standards in maternity care at the Countess of Chester Hospital

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002z746

smallglassbottle · 22/07/2026 20:49

Innocent. They need to sort this out urgently.

oceanblueandturquoise · 22/07/2026 20:56

Dewi Evans really is a piece of work.

Firefly1987 · 22/07/2026 21:17

hotmumshit · 22/07/2026 20:11

100% believe that she is innocent, and this is proof of the fact that most people are capable of evil.

?? If she's innocent who is evil then Confused

hotmumshit · 22/07/2026 21:18

Firefly1987 · 22/07/2026 21:17

?? If she's innocent who is evil then Confused

The people stringing her up for this rather than admit hospital failings across the board

Fucking nasty. Nasty.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 22/07/2026 21:18

Dr Dewi Evans, the chief medical witness for the prosecution, said the full maternity notes were not relevant to the case.
"I never saw any obstetric notes and I have no idea what happened to them," he said.
"I don't think that maternity care was a particular issue in the Letby case. I think [but have no idea of the facts because I didn’t review the notes] most of the babies I dealt with were born in acceptable condition."
Evans said he did see brief maternity summaries - "usually a couple of paragraphs" - attached to each baby's neonatal notes.
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The prosecution argued that Baby O was born in good condition and was stable for 48 hours before he suddenly collapsed. They said that indicated that Letby attacked him.
But Bennett's opinion is that the baby died from a liver condition caused by an injury to his liver during, what he believed was, a difficult Caesarean section to deliver him.
He says though this is quite rare, there was substantial medical literature on it.
In these medical reports the injury usually happened during delivery and the baby seemed to be well for an average of 48 hours until suddenly collapsing and often dying.
Bennett said he would like to see the obstetrics notes to get a better understanding of the delivery.
In response, Evans said Baby O was born in good condition.
He added: "I don't think [but have no idea of the facts because I didn’t review the notes] that anything in the obstetric notes would have improved my understanding or the understanding of all of us who became involved with this investigation."

So Evans assumed the baby was born in good condition, without reviewing the birth and maternity notes, despite a difficult caesarean and the baby being unwell enough to require care in a neonatal unit and the fact that if a baby did sustain liver damage during a difficult birth, it may not become apparent for 48 hours.

And he was the chief medical witness??

How did his testimony not get torn apart in court?

LizzieSiddal · 22/07/2026 21:28

I’ve least thought Letby was guilty but I’m now not sure after listening to some of the R4 programs linked above. I was absolutely shocked to hear the Jury had no knowledge of the births of these babies and if there were any issues. Who knows if it would change their decisions but they should have had those details.

I feel so sorry for the parents of these babies, their nightmare is never ending.

LizzieSiddal · 22/07/2026 21:38

LizzieSiddal · 22/07/2026 21:28

I’ve least thought Letby was guilty but I’m now not sure after listening to some of the R4 programs linked above. I was absolutely shocked to hear the Jury had no knowledge of the births of these babies and if there were any issues. Who knows if it would change their decisions but they should have had those details.

I feel so sorry for the parents of these babies, their nightmare is never ending.

Too late to edit but that should read

I’ve always thought

Firefly1987 · 22/07/2026 21:46

hotmumshit · 22/07/2026 21:18

The people stringing her up for this rather than admit hospital failings across the board

Fucking nasty. Nasty.

Well I wouldn't go that far. They obviously had reason to suspect her in the first place.

hotmumshit · 22/07/2026 21:48

Firefly1987 · 22/07/2026 21:46

Well I wouldn't go that far. They obviously had reason to suspect her in the first place.

That she was weird and an outsider? Thats it

Just nasty and makes me so angry

Frequency · 22/07/2026 21:56

Firefly1987 · 22/07/2026 21:46

Well I wouldn't go that far. They obviously had reason to suspect her in the first place.

They needed an explanation for the spike in deaths that did not damage their ego, unlike the explanations they'd already been given. They couldn't accept those explanations because they couldn't accept any failings on their part.

If they didn't fail (they did), then it must be murder. Letby was just convenient. I don't believe they deliberately picked her over any other nurse; she just happened to work the most shifts. It could have been any nurse.

That's why we need to make sure cases like this are handled properly and investigated thoroughly, because it could have been any nurse or carer. It could be someone you love in Letby's place next time.

Darragon · 22/07/2026 22:00

hotmumshit · 22/07/2026 21:48

That she was weird and an outsider? Thats it

Just nasty and makes me so angry

From experience, it absolutely would happen like this in some departments/hospitals.

Rightsraptor · 22/07/2026 22:01

I've just watched the Netflix programme about Lucy Letby and it is worrying.

I can't say I'm impressed by Dewi Evans. I suspect he's the sort of doctor (he's retired) that I wouldn't have liked to deal with when I was a midwife, but will say no more about him personally. It's his professional aspects that I find worrying. I was very suprised when he cited a paper pubished in 1989 about skin discolouration in neonates: that was a very old paper and he misinterpreted it anyway: it's author says so and flew over here from Canada to present his case. Evans retired about twenty years ago and I do wonder if he's kept up to date with innovations in his previous field.

The obstetric notes are essential for the continuing care of babies. Mother and baby are a dyad, they have a symbiotic relationship, the one grew inside the other so how can what happened during the pregnancy, labour and birth possibly be irrelevant? We always used to brief the neonatologists about relevant maternal factors, of course we did.

One thing that annoyed me in the Netflix programme, and annoys me about Evans, is this idea that the babies were 'well'. If a baby is in a neonatal intensive care then that baby is, by definition, unwell and possibly extremely unwell. And it is not unknown for babies, even term ones, to appear to be fairly well for the first day or so and then just crash.

Glowingup · 22/07/2026 22:05

Guilty as sin and I’m pleased she is where she belongs and is unlikely to ever get released.

Firefly1987 · 22/07/2026 22:09

hotmumshit · 22/07/2026 21:48

That she was weird and an outsider? Thats it

Just nasty and makes me so angry

Er that's not what happened even Dr Brearey said "oh no, not nice Lucy?" at first.

When did everyone decide she's definitely innocent? I get having doubts but people are talking as if it's absolute fact!

MyrtleLion · 22/07/2026 22:11

From the previous thread from @Firefly1987
Otherwise stable babies that just need a bit of extra help do not suddenly collapse and cannot be resuscitated.

My DSD was born at 25 weeks and was admitted to a newly opened NICU. Two other baby girls were admitted in the next three days. One died. One had a lung removed.

My DSD was left with brain damage and lifelong breathing and vision difficulties from her treatment, not from her prematurity. She also suffered from a collapsed lung and a heart defect and we don’t know what that means for her ultimate life expectancy.

All the babies were “otherwise stable”. We know there are babies that appear stable for 1-7 days after birth that will die because of an injury caused by the way they were born. Then they suddenly collapse and cannot be resuscitated.

I have also met parents of twins whose babies died in the NICU, one day after another. 31 weeks gestation, otherwise stable but then died due to sudden collapse.

Those babies are incredibly vulnerable. Any child born before 36 weeks is at serious risk of death because they were born so early. These are not full term healthy babies who would otherwise have survived. Their survival chances were already compromised by being born so early.

Why don’t you understand that?

PensionPTake · 22/07/2026 22:16

I've always suspected she was just a scapegoat for major hospital failings.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 22/07/2026 22:29

In File on 4, they are talking about baby O, one of the triplets, the prosecution said Letby attacked baby O in three different ways by injecting air into blood, into the feeding tube, and inflicting a liver injury which caused internal bleeding. The mother was interviewed by the police and she said there was a huge spray of blood that went over her (during the caesarean) and hit the wall behind her. Dr Bennett said this was probably a cut blood vessel and caused liver damage. The jury wasn’t told any of this. And this is not a baby born in ‘good condition’. This is the condition of trauma in delivery where babies look well but die within 1-7 days, average 2 days.

hotmumshit · 22/07/2026 22:46

Darragon · 22/07/2026 22:00

From experience, it absolutely would happen like this in some departments/hospitals.

'From experience' 💔

I've worked in an office and survived office bullying. I 100% believe they'd have done the same to me in such a circumstance.

hotmumshit · 22/07/2026 22:47

Firefly1987 · 22/07/2026 22:09

Er that's not what happened even Dr Brearey said "oh no, not nice Lucy?" at first.

When did everyone decide she's definitely innocent? I get having doubts but people are talking as if it's absolute fact!

So they called her nice once - being 'nice' is what gets you bullied and labelled in such a circumstance!

How shes still alive i dont know, must be off the love of her parents.

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