To ask why the England team (the men) keep falling at the final hurdle, (well virtually at the final hurdle,) at the football World Cup ... and The Euros too?

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Not an England-team bashing thread, but why, oh WHY do they - the men - keep falling at the final hurdle (well, virtually the final hurdle,) every time at the football (soccer) World Cup - and the Euro Cup too...?

They do so well, and get so far, and then BANG they're out. Nearly always in the top 8, or top 4, (and the top 2, in the World Cup once, and a couple of times in the Euros I think,) but never the winner. (Not since 1966 anyway!)

Is it nerves? Is it that they're so anxious to win that they keep making silly mistakes? Are they just not quite good enough? WHAT IS IT? Why do they keep getting so close, but just never manage to get the win?!

As I said, I am not bashing them, and they did well, and I am proud of them, but I just get so frustrated that they can't quite ever get the win!

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Ultimately Argentina were the better side. Hated all the fous though. It was an ugly matvh.
Latin people have the weather, physique and temerament to win.

Temperament*

Can you imagine if scotland had progressed there is no way English people would have ever have supported Argentina. We have such loyalty for all home nations it is sad to see how full of bile some scots, welsh and irish are. Oh but hang on some of the English did bad things centuries ago, hence the hate. The argies invaded a British country causing the deaths of many service people much more recently but hey, what's wrong with that!

the ref did see it. He was on argentina's side.

I was reading articles about the referee. Apparantly Messi has never lost when this referee has been in a match. He is nicknames as 'Mess's favourite referee'

Oh I definitely think many English people would have supported Argentina in that case!

Ireland is not a home nation by the way. Northern Ireland (the bit that the UK took from the rest of Ireland) is listed as a home nation. Best to get that right

We bombed his gran's house in Dresden during WW2. 😁 That's what's behind it all.

(joke. Honest.)

'How full of bile some Irish are'

Sigh. I have an Irish father. I lived in Ireland for a while.

The devastation and damage that the U.K caused in Ireland still affects people to this day.

A lot of Irish (Republic) people will not be supporting England in football. That's understandable.

Would you expect the Ukraine to support Russia in sport?

Oh fgs Northern Ireland, you knew what I meant, yes? There are plenty of unionists in Northern Ireland it's not all the Evil Brits to blame.

No it's not all evil Brits to blame. It's also not the current English people's fault what happened.

However, a lot of bad things happened and people remember. A lot of them are not going to support England in football. Why would they.

Ans also why do you want them to? Isn't it enough that English people support England?

'The devastation and damage that the U.K caused in Ireland still affects people to this day'
Ancient history, unlike the Falklands war which was a bit more recent.

I thought it was England who were down to ten men in the match against Mexico?

They can support whomever they like. Some scots buying a different shirt for whomever England was playing was a bit pathetic though. They must have quite a collection.

Ancient? It's very recent. It's actually still ongoing as many people in the island of Ireland believe that the U.K. is occupying Northern Ireland. They want Northern Ireland back. They want a united Ireland

I mean choosing not to support either side playing is also possible

How is it ancient Gloria when the war in Northern Ireland went on until 1998.

The Falklands war was in the early 1980s

It was, oops.

England were heroic in their defending that match but a better team would have unlocked that.

But yes, it was a 10 men England standing strong.

It never fails to surprise me at how little some English people know about the conflict between the U.K and Ireland.

As they say, history is rewritten by the more powerful country.

I know a Russian woman. She says that the Russian Governement are telling them that the war is all Ukraine's fault and they have to protect themselves from the Ukraine etc.

Actual Truth - Russia is the main attacker and aggressor in the war

“I lived in Ireland for a while”.

Um, OK. I AM ACTUALLY a Northern Irish Catholic. I lived in Northern Ireland from birth until 1999 when I came to study in England. As I say: I have no problem cheering for England if Ireland isn’t playing against them because I’m not a bitter, small-minded person who can’t forgive (if not forget) the wrongs of the past and move on.

England has worked hard (particularly under Southgate) to improve World Cup performance. I see the people, not the nationality.

@mindymoo11the GF Agreement was signed in 1998 but the Omagh bombing and other atrocities happened after that. It didn’t end in 1998, by any means.

A bit rich to berate other posters about their lack of knowledge of Irish history when you don’t seem to know it in any great depth yourself.

I was talking about the Good Friday agreement.

I certainly know about the Omagh bombing - seeing as I was on holiday in Northern Ireland when it happened. I remember that they brought victims of the bombing to the hospital in the town that I was in.

I definitely know a lot more than Gloriia who decribed the UK/Ireland history as ancient History! Shocking

She described the Falklands war (1980s) as more recent than the UK/Ireland conflict. Totally incorrect.

You may have thought you meant the GF Agreement - but what you actually SAID was the war went on until 1998. The GF agreement’s signing and violence ending (ie end of the war, as you term it) happened at two different times, as you yourself recognise.

However, there is nothing someone who’s grown up in 80s West Belfast (and actually LIVED that) loves more though than some person with an Irish parent (but who wasn’t actually born there) telling them how it is, though - because they were on holiday in NI when the Omagh bomb happened. 👏 🙄

Not at all patronising.

I liked Tuchel up until this point but his DNA comment annoyed me. We could have won without his changes.

You dont' know anything about anyone on here. Just because I haven't given you every detail of my life, you think you know everything. You're the patronising one. I lived in the republic of Ireland for 20 years. I lived in Northern Ireland for two years during the height of the troubles.

I moved around like you did. you said that you moved to England.

You wrote 'I've actually lived there'. Like no one else could have lived in Northern Ireland. Lots of people have lived there.

I've lived in Northern Ireland during the troubles too. I remember the bombs and the soldiers on the streets. You are not the only one who knows what it was like.

Grow up

Yeah that pissed me off too

”Grow up”.

Brilliant riposte.

The most hilarious thing is you don’t actually realise how offensive you are.

Mind you, what can one really expect from someone who apparently cannot understand the fact footballers’ pay is determined by economics.