Aibu thinking Scots shouldn't be wanting Argentina to win against England?

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It's getting beyond banter now imo.

I know plenty of Scots agree with me.

I'm half Scottish (dad) so always support both. In the past I'd probably want Scotland to win if it was them against England to be honest. Although now because of the Argentina support I'm going off supporting Scotland.

I desperately want England to win this one more than against any other team.

"Someone said to me recently that nothing annoys the Scots more than the English taking the moral high ground and supporting Scotland."

Speaking for myself, as a Scot, I don't care if you, or anyone else supports us. Have fun. If you feel you have a reason to support Scotland, then whatever.

It's the follow-up expectations that come along with it. They tell me they do/or used to support Scotland, like it should matter, (it doesn't). Or that it should be reciprocated.

That's what annoys me, and I presume others. It's not that you think this person is taking some moral high ground, it's that its often said with conditions, or expectations. That it should matter to us.

It's kind of like offering to come around and clean my house. And then expecting me to do the same. I can clean my own home, thanks. I don't need any help.

I don't think anyone should have to support a team they don't want to. Those vox pops where people go up to Scottish/Irish people and ask them "will you be supporting England" are weird.

But, the idea that the UK media is arrogant in regards the English team winning is a bit strange. They do bang on about it, but I think the UK press are way more negative about the team and individual players than other countries. On the run up to each game it's doom and gloom, if England loses the players are traditionally castigated for throwing it away and if they win the papers call it a "lucky escape". Unless and until they win the whole thing and then the Sun etc will have been "with them all the way".

Some of its not wanting to get hopes up because it always hurts. But I also think the endless negativity/attempts to shit stir (see the drama kicked up about Tuchel and Bellinghams comments) aren't helpful especially when targeted towards a bunch of men in their teens and early twenties.

I am biased because I would be supporting England only. But I do find the current English team more likeable, as individuals, than the Argentinian team. So I think even if I wasn't English I would want them to win.

Wasn't it? It has been disputed but that doesn't make it anything other disputable.

That song was written by the Lightening Seeds who are from Liverpool, fronted by Ian Broudie, hardly known for his mainstream appeal!

It would be even funnier if England didn't, but Wales and Scotland did.

You underestimate our destain for the England team.

ABE.
Come on Argentina!

Well that could be watching your kids for all I know as your remark about being 'deluded' demonstrates a pitiful amount of knowledge of the world class players in the England Squad.

No one in Scotland would care. That's the difference. No one expects people outside Scotland to support our team. It's arrogant and entitled.

Why shouldn't they support whoever they like? It's not like a Tottenham supporter would suddenly start supporting Arsenal if Spurs were kicked out of a tournament, just because they are geographical neighbours? If anything it's obvious there's always rivalry between two similar things that are close together.

The claim to have "invented" football stems from the fact the English League was the first established league playing to an agreed set of rules laid down by their own FA. "Association Football".

The origins of the sport itself are murky, and if you really want to argue the toss, you can even go back and look at Amerindian/Mesoamerican kicking and court games (played with a rubber ball) and suggest that's the true origin. Then there are a myriad of ball-playing games documented in the medieval period, Danish Kickskull etc.

What's not in dispute, is that the early form of football played in the English League was very much a kick & rush, 20 players around the ball style, with nothing in the way of tactics or even set positions. It was the arrival of Scottish players who brought with them the "passing" style, whereby the ball was passed across distance as a way of moving it about the pitch, with players occupying space rather than gravitating toward the ball. This is why many people contend that "modern" football, as it is currently played on the pitch, originated in Scotland even if "Association Football" did not.

Well done, you can use Google!

Inverness is spending all day and night spouting her hatred. Must have a very boring life.

I can also read books and retain knowledge.

I think only a very few English fans care who Scottish people support. I for example could not give a toss . It’s the ABE shite that people find petty and sad.

The British media is very Jekyll and Hide. One minute, the England team's the best thing since sliced bread. The next, they're a disgrace. But it's also the sort of biased position they take. The BBC is supposed to be British, but they'll say things like "the whole nation is on its feet," at some penalty shot, or something. What nation? Britain, or England? Who are they speaking for?

And I forget the tournament, but about 18 years ago, probably the Euros, Scotland played in the opening game, and England a few days later. And one of the commentators said something like "the tournament may have started last weekend, but here's where it really begins." I'm paraphrasing, but not exaggerating. It's pretty irritating.

And then we get article after article in the Sun, Torygraph, Mail, etc, going on about "The jocks" not supporting another country's team. And a lot of normies, whining about it. It's made me go from being indifferent, to cheering on the opposing team England plays, just to get a laugh at these people's expense. The fact that Scotland owes them anything, it's so arrogant.

Yes, why the 'hate'.

"talk about bitter lemons" Didn't you just say you'd support North Korea over Scotland? Wind yer neck in, son.

There are two posters, one really pro England and anti immigrant/anti Scotland and another really pro Scotland and anti-England that are all over every thread like this. They feel like characatures to me TBH. Like if you wanted to create a character to rage bait people that's what it would look like...

"all day and all night" Check the timestamps of my posts. You'll see no such thing. And I'll be waiting for your apologies, though this presumes you have any honesty or integrity.

rage-baiting? On Mumsnet????

Surely not....

Threads like this have shown me otherwise.
The English shouldn't give a crap who supports England, outside of England.
But the more we see & hear the complaining that we don't, the more it gets pushed back. I've gone from being indifferent, being of no interest in England's matches, to cheering England's opponents, simply because of the arrogance and entitlement I've heard because we don't support England.

My Scottish husband finds it incredibly embarrassing behaviour. Especially when it was clear Scotland wouldn’t go that far in the competition, sour grapes.

They can want whoever they want.
There are some English people who want Argentina to win because they think they are the better team.
It's only a game it's not a war and it's not unpatriotic not to support the England football team!

Wind your neck in Mr "I'd support North Korea over Scotland."
Seriously, pick a lane and stick to it.

When did I post that?