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My son stopped talking to his sister after finding out she was dating his best friend, and I don’t know how to fix this

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pilarr · Yesterday 10:52

I never thought I would be in a situation where my own children would become strangers to each other.

For context, I'm 46 years old and I have three kids. My oldest son is 19, my daughter is 18, and my youngest son is 14.

My oldest son has had the same best friend since they were 8 years old he is same age as my son. That boy has been part of our family for so long that I never really saw him as just a friend he was almost like another son to me. He was always at our house for dinners, sleepovers, holidays, and everything in between. I watched him grow up.

My daughter also grew up with him. They were the same age, went to the same school, and were always close friends. They would play together when they were younger, and as they got older they would go hiking or spend time together, especially when my son wasn’t around. I always thought they had a good friendship and that both of them were good kids.

About two months ago, my daughter came to me and told me something I wasn’t expecting she and my son’s best friend were dating. They had already been together for two months, and she told me it wasn’t just a small crush. They were serious about each other.

She was nervous telling me. The first thing I asked was whether my son knew. She said no, but she wanted to tell him herself and asked me not to say anything. I felt uncomfortable keeping something from my son, but I also felt it was my daughter’s responsibility to have that conversation with him.

My daughter is a very thoughtful person. She is not someone who makes decisions without thinking about the consequences, so I trusted that she had taken this seriously.

A month ago, my son found out from some friends that his sister and his best friend were dating. What hurt him the most was not only the relationship itself, but that everyone seemed to know except him.

He asked my daughter why she didn’t tell him. She explained that she was scared he would react exactly the way he did. She wanted to wait until she knew the relationship was serious because she didn’t want him to think it was just a temporary teenage crush.

My son was furious. He told her that she shouldn’t date his best friend and that things between them would never be the same. He also confronted his best friend, who tried to explain that he genuinely cared about my daughter and wasn’t playing around.

I understand why my son feels betrayed. His best friend was like a brother to him, and now he feels like that friendship has changed. He has also felt responsible for protecting his sister since their father passed away five years ago.

But I also told him that while his sister should have told him sooner, she did not do something wrong by having feelings for someone she cares about.

I can see both sides. My son is hurt, and my daughter feels guilty. She has cried to me because she misses her brother and doesn’t want to lose him. But my son is still angry and has completely shut both of them out.

It has been a month, and my two older kids barely speak. They act like strangers in the same house. I don’t want this to permanently damage the relationship between my children.

OP posts:
Vivi0 · Yesterday 17:07

BunnyLake · Yesterday 17:02

There’s too much of that on MN. If a boy is upset posters pathetically refer to him as mummy’s little darling. I think he is being over dramatic though, friends date their mates siblings all the time, it’s perfectly normal. Maybe it’s more the secrecy, but he’s looking at it more like they’te having an affair, which is unreasonable.

It is also perfectly normal for people to be upset about their friends dating their siblings. I’ve known a few who have been.

I can also understand how the secrecy could be viewed as a betrayal and if he doesn’t feel like he can trust his friend again, then he is perfectly entitled to not want to remain friends with him.

TonTonMacoute · Yesterday 17:07

Stompythedinosaur · Yesterday 16:37

This is my thought. I can't see that anything else explains the strong reaction!

If your ds has been hoping their friendship might become something more, I have some sympathy for his feelings, even though your dd hasn't done anything wrong.

I wondered if he felt led on a bit by the friend?

Just been talking to DH about this thread and this is his opinion.

I think the people saying it's normal to be devastated by this scenario are mad. When I was growing up it was normal to go out with the friends of siblings, and girls with older brothers had a big advantage.

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 17:09

@pilarr meantime you are helping your daughter to have a healthy and happy first relationship and even celebrating what love and respect can look like, I hope? It is a big deal for her.

Floralibra · Yesterday 17:12

pilarr · Yesterday 10:52

I never thought I would be in a situation where my own children would become strangers to each other.

For context, I'm 46 years old and I have three kids. My oldest son is 19, my daughter is 18, and my youngest son is 14.

My oldest son has had the same best friend since they were 8 years old he is same age as my son. That boy has been part of our family for so long that I never really saw him as just a friend he was almost like another son to me. He was always at our house for dinners, sleepovers, holidays, and everything in between. I watched him grow up.

My daughter also grew up with him. They were the same age, went to the same school, and were always close friends. They would play together when they were younger, and as they got older they would go hiking or spend time together, especially when my son wasn’t around. I always thought they had a good friendship and that both of them were good kids.

About two months ago, my daughter came to me and told me something I wasn’t expecting she and my son’s best friend were dating. They had already been together for two months, and she told me it wasn’t just a small crush. They were serious about each other.

She was nervous telling me. The first thing I asked was whether my son knew. She said no, but she wanted to tell him herself and asked me not to say anything. I felt uncomfortable keeping something from my son, but I also felt it was my daughter’s responsibility to have that conversation with him.

My daughter is a very thoughtful person. She is not someone who makes decisions without thinking about the consequences, so I trusted that she had taken this seriously.

A month ago, my son found out from some friends that his sister and his best friend were dating. What hurt him the most was not only the relationship itself, but that everyone seemed to know except him.

He asked my daughter why she didn’t tell him. She explained that she was scared he would react exactly the way he did. She wanted to wait until she knew the relationship was serious because she didn’t want him to think it was just a temporary teenage crush.

My son was furious. He told her that she shouldn’t date his best friend and that things between them would never be the same. He also confronted his best friend, who tried to explain that he genuinely cared about my daughter and wasn’t playing around.

I understand why my son feels betrayed. His best friend was like a brother to him, and now he feels like that friendship has changed. He has also felt responsible for protecting his sister since their father passed away five years ago.

But I also told him that while his sister should have told him sooner, she did not do something wrong by having feelings for someone she cares about.

I can see both sides. My son is hurt, and my daughter feels guilty. She has cried to me because she misses her brother and doesn’t want to lose him. But my son is still angry and has completely shut both of them out.

It has been a month, and my two older kids barely speak. They act like strangers in the same house. I don’t want this to permanently damage the relationship between my children.

its an odd one as I think your son has majorly overreacted. I get being upset he wasn’t told sooner but it’s also not actually his business and he should be understanding as to why they did it this way - waiting until it felt more serious and it’s only been 2 months!

Your poor daughter feeling uncomfortable in her own home and her brother controlling things - you shouldn’t let him do that OP it’s not fair and quite a toxic behaviour to enable.

Wickedlittledancer · Yesterday 17:12

TonTonMacoute · Yesterday 17:07

Just been talking to DH about this thread and this is his opinion.

I think the people saying it's normal to be devastated by this scenario are mad. When I was growing up it was normal to go out with the friends of siblings, and girls with older brothers had a big advantage.

Why on earth would you post your husbands opinion?

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 17:12

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 16:08

I think to apply that to a 19 year old dealing with emotions beyond his maturity is misandry. Would you say the same of a woman who chose to do the same. Why can’t it be that he just wants keep to himself until he’s worked things out in his head. It’s a lot to process.

Yes I would say the same of anyone deploying silent treatment within a domestic setting, regardless of gender.

ChaToilLeam · Yesterday 17:13

I'm sorry, but your son is being utterly ridiculous. Fair enough to be a bit hurt not to be told or to be concerned about this changing their relationship, but this depth of drama over a long period of time is just uncalled for.

No wonder your DD didn't tell him, is he always so over the top? In any case, he has to accept that in life, people will not always do as he wishes, be they friends or family.

kkloo · Yesterday 17:13

Vivi0 · Yesterday 17:07

It is also perfectly normal for people to be upset about their friends dating their siblings. I’ve known a few who have been.

I can also understand how the secrecy could be viewed as a betrayal and if he doesn’t feel like he can trust his friend again, then he is perfectly entitled to not want to remain friends with him.

The poster has to know this but instead is going for a juvenile approach trying to make out he must be gay.

AnnaNirvana2 · Yesterday 17:15

He doesn't own her.
I'm willing to bet it would be completely different if he was dating one of her friends.

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 17:16

hairbearbunches · Yesterday 16:09

It also occurs to me that your DS is respecting himself in not speaking to either of them. In all honesty, he's had a good life lesson early and found out that the person he thought was his best mate was prepared to go behind his back. Your DD ought to looking at this more sharply as well. It shows a lack of character on both their parts but if I were her I'd be very reluctant to get involved with anyone who was prepared to sneak around in the shadows rather than coming clean and being a big boy. The best mate is young, they all are, but personal responsibility shows up early in those who have it.

True true, his best mate went behind his back instead of...what? Offering a threesome or a webcam view? Courtship needs privacy! And asking for Big Bro's approval straight off is not modern British culture. Does he sit on the porch with a shotgun in his lap, making sure the gentlemen callers treat lil sis right?

JanuaryBug · Yesterday 17:16

You and your son have blown this out of the water majorly.

I can understand why he was the last to know. Your daughter knew how he was going to react, and rather than you telling him to come to terms with it and be happy for his sister and his best friend, you're siding with him and telling him he's justified in cutting them both off.

Yes, they are young. The relationship may not last, but none of these things are for the here and now.

If they break up then your sons best friend should know better than to accept an invitation to Christmas dinner if he's done something wrong.

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 17:17

kkloo · Yesterday 17:13

The poster has to know this but instead is going for a juvenile approach trying to make out he must be gay.

Edited

Nothing wrong being gay.

chocoluv · Yesterday 17:17

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 16:44

OK then. If you can’t see how your sweeping generalisations and characterisations as ‘taking what you can get’ could be considered offensive I can’t help you. And given some of the disastrous consequences I’ve witnessed to internet dating I can only be thankful it wasn’t around when I was young and single. And I have no problem with DD dating DS’s best friend. It’s their choice. My problem was with the way they allowed DS to find out.

Edited

But many women did have to ‘take what they could get’.

It’s not offensive to suggest that 30+ years ago it was a very different life for single women than it is now.

Women have more choice now than they ever have. They can also stay single for much longer.

It’s very difficult for people to give opinions on things that are completely different from what would be acceptable in their generation.

It’s not saying your or anyone else’s opinion is wrong, just that it may not align with the norms of society as it is today.

SOME posters cannot understand why the son is so upset because ‘in their day this would have been acceptable’.

But in today’s society, it would be morally wrong to date certain people, especially in a deceitful way.

If you were to ever cross that line then you would speak to your friend/sibling about it first instead of sneaking around behind their backs.

And FWIW there are many things you’ve said on this thread that I completely agree with.
I think the way that DS wasn’t told is absolutely awful and I can completely understand why he’s so upset.

Wickedlittledancer · Yesterday 17:17

I also think this is so ott the daughter was rightly concerned, you make a comment on him protecting her since her father passed, I am wondering if he’s taken on a parental type role in his head, if that’s the case it needs to be stamped out immediately

something isn’t right here, from her fear of telling him, his awful and prolonged reaction, likely to punish them,and you’re dramatic behavuour blaming her.

he isn’t her father, and quite frankly this is none of his business who either of them date,

Vivi0 · Yesterday 17:18

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 17:12

Yes I would say the same of anyone deploying silent treatment within a domestic setting, regardless of gender.

The OP’s children have fallen out and given they both live in the same home, they are not speaking to each other. That isn’t the silent treatment. That isn’t what the silent treatment is.

IkeaJesusChrist · Yesterday 17:19

Good forbid a male has feelings and is upset, how fucking dare he.

BunnyLake · Yesterday 17:20

Vivi0 · Yesterday 17:07

It is also perfectly normal for people to be upset about their friends dating their siblings. I’ve known a few who have been.

I can also understand how the secrecy could be viewed as a betrayal and if he doesn’t feel like he can trust his friend again, then he is perfectly entitled to not want to remain friends with him.

If my best friend and my brother started dating it honestly wouldn’t bother me and I’ve been friends with her over fifty years! My only request would be please don’t discuss your love life with me 😱 Have you never been aware of the trope, I wish I had an older brother so I could date his friends? I remember complaining that because my brother was a few year’s younger than me I didn’t have a pool of boys readily around. This was the 70s so maybe we just viewed things differently,

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 17:21

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · Yesterday 15:53

When you stop talking to someone because you don’t like something they do - that is an attempt at control.

I think you're confusing a marriage with friendships.

Withdrawing from a situation you find very hard to handle is anything but controlling.

I daresay, if he had the means, he would probably choose to move out and not be confronted on a daily basis by people that betrayed him.

I really dont understand why you want to make him the villain in all of this. Hes the one that has been hurt, if only by the lies.

I have been wondering whether he is in work or education. You mention moving out. The birth home seems to be his primary base?

Wickedlittledancer · Yesterday 17:21

Vivi0 · Yesterday 17:18

The OP’s children have fallen out and given they both live in the same home, they are not speaking to each other. That isn’t the silent treatment. That isn’t what the silent treatment is.

It’s more he’s not talking to her or his best friend, what would you like her to do, keep communicating, of course it’s the silent treatment and it’s been months,

and the mother is on here attacking her daughter , justifying her sons awful behaviour.

Stompythedinosaur · Yesterday 17:22

kkloo · Yesterday 17:13

The poster has to know this but instead is going for a juvenile approach trying to make out he must be gay.

Edited

I don't think anyone's saying there's something wrong with being gay though?

chocoluv · Yesterday 17:22

TonTonMacoute · Yesterday 17:07

Just been talking to DH about this thread and this is his opinion.

I think the people saying it's normal to be devastated by this scenario are mad. When I was growing up it was normal to go out with the friends of siblings, and girls with older brothers had a big advantage.

And this is what I mean.

Gently, the way you grew up is different to what happens in society today.

You (and some others) are looking at this situation through the lens of what was acceptable 30+ years ago.
Yet if you asked your children, they would probably have the opposite view to you.

We need to look at DS’s reaction based on today’s society and not what was the norm for a different generation.

Anonyanonay · Yesterday 17:23

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 11:16

I don’t understand why your son is being so possessive about his best friend or why he would object to his sister dating him. Is it possible his feelings toward his friend are not entirely platonic?

Absurd comment. Can you really not see how awkward it would be for him?

IkeaJesusChrist · Yesterday 17:23

Wickedlittledancer · Yesterday 17:21

It’s more he’s not talking to her or his best friend, what would you like her to do, keep communicating, of course it’s the silent treatment and it’s been months,

and the mother is on here attacking her daughter , justifying her sons awful behaviour.

He shouldn't be forced to speak to them, they deliberately kept him in the dark and these are the consequences to their actions.

Fuck around and find out.

pilarr · Yesterday 17:23

Wickedlittledancer · Yesterday 17:17

I also think this is so ott the daughter was rightly concerned, you make a comment on him protecting her since her father passed, I am wondering if he’s taken on a parental type role in his head, if that’s the case it needs to be stamped out immediately

something isn’t right here, from her fear of telling him, his awful and prolonged reaction, likely to punish them,and you’re dramatic behavuour blaming her.

he isn’t her father, and quite frankly this is none of his business who either of them date,

She clearly meant "I'm scared he might get hurt and damage our relationship" hopefully this enough

I have already replied for other things

OP posts:
OtterandaRock · Yesterday 17:24

pilarr · Yesterday 15:17

Okay, let’s be realistic. Don’t you think that even if he had reacted in a better way, without getting angry and accepting their relationship, their relationship still would have changed?

The important thing you are ignoring is that he is the person who would have to choose sides in a potential fallout between them. That is a major part of this situation, and ignoring that does not make the point go away.

Why would he have to choose sides? Will there be a duel?
Maybe everyone could have wider support networks. And enjoy the present instead of catastrophising about the future.

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