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AIBU after being reported for apparently targeting a member of staff

293 replies

Vintageshirtsearch · Yesterday 21:25

OK no one is going to believe this to be true but I need to share it. I was spoken to today by my line manager as I've been reported in our 'call it out' policy. I made a member of staff feel targeted and picked on.
I bet you won't be able to guess what I did that made them feel so bad.
It's so crackers I actually thought my manager was joking.
Anyone want to guess?

OP posts:
NoCommentingFromNowOn · Today 09:45

cramptramp · Today 09:42

Just noticed it was a man who complained. What a pathetic person he is.

I read it like OP had the conversation with a man but the complainant was a woman?

Vintageshirtsearch · Today 09:46

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Today 09:45

I read it like OP had the conversation with a man but the complainant was a woman?

This is the correct way round

OP posts:
adragoncalledaudrey · Today 09:50

That would be the last I ever spoke to them apart from for work matters.

And they’d probably go running off to whine about that.

We have had a similar non-event (not TS) related where someone took great exception to being told they’d done something wrong - followed by a helpful explanation on how to do it right (so that they didn’t injure themselves badly).

The helpful person was accused of bullying.

We treat people with kindness and respect and speak nicely but I’ve no time for donning kid gloves for those with a terminal case of preciousness.

It creates a very difficult working environment and management should absolutely be nipping that sort of nonsense in the bud.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Today 09:52

management should absolutely be nipping that sort of nonsense in the bud

I really really don’t understand why they didn’t. Or couldn’t. 🤔

Sereine · Today 09:53

ITMA2000 · Yesterday 23:38

It is so weird that crusty oldies admire composers like Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Greig, Tchaikovsky and others, while Taylor and Ed can bang out a tune each in a few hours and entertain millions! They are the true musical geniuses!

Strange, I seem to have missed out on Ed's symphonies, oratorios and operas that he banged out in a few hours.

Don't get me wrong, pop songs definitely have their place in the music world and some are brilliant. However, the vast majority will never have the sticking power of, for instance, Beethoven and Mozart, and you cannot compare composing a five minute song to writing an hour-long symphony for full orchestra.

BunnyLake · Today 09:55

Gengha · Today 08:42

Agreed.

if you can’t say something as benign as this may as well not bother talking to anyone at work at all.

I’m watching a historical Chinese drama at the moment about an Emperor and everyone has to watch what they say all the time as the slightest thing can cause offense. This is set hundreds of year’s ago in the Forbidden City. Who’d have guessed that in the 21st century people in England have to do the same to a wet section of the younger generations acting like self-appointed emperors and empresses 🤦‍♀️

dh280125 · Today 09:58

Vintageshirtsearch · Yesterday 21:37

During a coffee break, another staff member said they thought Taylor Swifts wedding was over the top and a bit ridiculous. I said "yeah I agree" the complainer said it was to keep it private and I laughed and said "in madison square garden" the other staff member said he didn't get the hype over taylor swift and I said I didn't either. End of conversation.
Apparently this deeplynupset the complainer as they love taylor swift and they felt mocked.

Honestly if someone went to HR with that I’d expect HR to ask them if they need mental health support.

LancashireButterPie · Today 09:59

Two sides to every story, I'd be interested to hear his side before passing judgement.

You have clearly upset a colleague and your speak up guardian (who has probably seen all manner of work related conflicts and will be seeking to de-escalate) has taken it seriously and not told him to bugger off.
Maybe now is the time to reflect honestly! Are you sometimes rude or bombastic?

Were you deliberately teasing or winding him up?
You wound me up with your guessing game so much that I'm not sure if want to spend 8 hours a day sat opposite you.

Snufkin88 · Today 10:00

It seems like a silly thing but your attitude on this thread with the silly guessing game makes me think maybe it was the tip of an iceberg or the last straw for your colleague perhaps .

BunnyLake · Today 10:02

isaidmaybeyoure · Today 08:48

I think to say “it’s hard to be a Taylor fan because she gets criticised” is quite childish

Did that seriously come from an adult? What is the world coming to, sheesh 🤦‍♀️

Try being a David Cassidy fan when your sister was into T Rex, now that needed a thick skin and a lot of resilience 😂

UnctuousUnicorns · Today 10:04

If PP had made use of the oh so handy "See all OP's posts" function, they'd have known that the answer is on page one of this thread, thereby keeping the teasing to a minimum.

DontDareCallMeDarling · Today 10:04

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Today 09:52

management should absolutely be nipping that sort of nonsense in the bud

I really really don’t understand why they didn’t. Or couldn’t. 🤔

Because there will be an audit trail. We would have to complete an online form to raise the issue which would go to the line manager who would be monitored to see what they did. It's a CRM system.

ChevernyRose · Today 10:11

Vintageshirtsearch · Yesterday 21:39

When I said I laughed it was not in a mocking way or derogatory at all, it was more an incredulous one

She probably doesn't agree and thinks you were laughing at her in a mocking way. It's probably been an ongoing thing that she's got tired of.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Today 10:12

DontDareCallMeDarling · Today 10:04

Because there will be an audit trail. We would have to complete an online form to raise the issue which would go to the line manager who would be monitored to see what they did. It's a CRM system.

Thank you.

So, honestly genuine question, could the result not be ‘manager read the complaint, had a chat with her, referred to workplace counselling, will try to reduce workload as complainant is stressed over normal workplace interactions’?

Otherwise OP could counterclaim being victimised for her TS opinion and it could just go on and on. At what point does someone say ‘stop’?

*Disclaimer - I’ve never worked in HR.

Vintageshirtsearch · Today 10:15

LancashireButterPie · Today 09:59

Two sides to every story, I'd be interested to hear his side before passing judgement.

You have clearly upset a colleague and your speak up guardian (who has probably seen all manner of work related conflicts and will be seeking to de-escalate) has taken it seriously and not told him to bugger off.
Maybe now is the time to reflect honestly! Are you sometimes rude or bombastic?

Were you deliberately teasing or winding him up?
You wound me up with your guessing game so much that I'm not sure if want to spend 8 hours a day sat opposite you.

You have the wrong end of the stock about everything I've said. It's not a man, we don't sit opposite to each other, I wasn't winding g anyone up

OP posts:
Thatsalineallright · Today 10:16

NeverTalksToStrangers2 · Today 00:40

I'm coming at this as swiftie in her late 40s...

Yes it was silly of her to complain about you. No question.

However... sometimes it can be very difficult to be a Taylor fan because people are SO critical of everything she does. There's so much discussion about every aspect of her life. She has an enormous fanbase but also an enormous number of people desperate to tell you why she's awful. And no matter who it is, everyone has an opinion on her (even if they know next to nothing about her).

Her wedding was criticised for being too big, too private, too public, too ridiculous, too tacky, too maga (🙄), not authentic, too wasteful, too ostentatious. It was her fault that there was an extreme heatwave and she was using so much electricity when the mayor had asked new york to conserve energy (aircon units bad). Because of her streets around MSG had to be cordoned off on a public holiday (this is a regular occurrence btw). In reality she was just a girl who wanted a big wedding (nothing wrong with that, even if its not your personal cup of tea) and just wanted to be sure no security threats, drones or helicopters could disrupt her day. This isn't something most of us have to worry about when we get married.

So maybe this girl felt she was battling online/public opinion all weekend and then you just made it worse.

You are seriously overthinking things. Why do you need to battle public opinion over Taylor swift or indeed any celebrity? If you are 'battling' then it's very much a choice and I assume you get some sort of kick out of it. Other people don't have to tiptoe around you just because you've been writing online comments all weekend.

Vintageshirtsearch · Today 10:16

ChevernyRose · Today 10:11

She probably doesn't agree and thinks you were laughing at her in a mocking way. It's probably been an ongoing thing that she's got tired of.

Nope not at all. We are rarely on the same shift

OP posts:
LilyBunch25 · Today 10:17

adragoncalledaudrey · Today 09:50

That would be the last I ever spoke to them apart from for work matters.

And they’d probably go running off to whine about that.

We have had a similar non-event (not TS) related where someone took great exception to being told they’d done something wrong - followed by a helpful explanation on how to do it right (so that they didn’t injure themselves badly).

The helpful person was accused of bullying.

We treat people with kindness and respect and speak nicely but I’ve no time for donning kid gloves for those with a terminal case of preciousness.

It creates a very difficult working environment and management should absolutely be nipping that sort of nonsense in the bud.

Time to grey rock the over precious one imo.

ChevernyRose · Today 10:19

I'd want to hear her side of the story before passing judgement. Obviously you're going to make yourself sound wronged

phoenixrosehere · Today 10:20

Vintageshirtsearch · Today 08:48

Well it was a bloke for a start which i think is also part of the issue- if you are a woman who doesn’t support this nonsense you get much more vitriol than men do

I’ve had a similar issue where someone on a different team reported me to her manager over lack of sympathy because she had to wfh during the Christmas season. I had made a noncommittal sound because I was staring at my computer screen working.

Mind, it was April and my male colleague next to me didn’t say anything either and was doing the same as me.

The same woman had told me this in January and I showed sympathy then. Not sure why me not giving full attention upset her but him not.

Cue two more incidents because I avoided her and kept things to writing and ended up reporting her to HR after she chose to tell the office she reported me and didn’t expect the office to think she was childish for doing so. She wasn’t aware of her own reputation of being annoying, vocally loud to the point that others had reported her, calling her a security risk when they were in the phones and they could clearly hear her ( secure office, key fobs needed).

Been in her presence alone twice in 10 months and conversations around others three, so fifth encounter was HR.

Didn’t help I was pregnant at the time and there were concerns. My team lead was no help and neither was her team lead hence me going to HR.

I went on maternity leave and when I came for a visit a month later she was gone.

adragoncalledaudrey · Today 10:20

I was about to say something very similar @NoCommentingFromNowOn

i understand the need for a record to be kept for an official complaint but if everyone chose to escalate matters over what appears to be just an opinion about a celebrity, weather, a how are you or whatever, life would be intolerable.

And HR/management would be nearly broken by their workload.

Vintageshirtsearch · Today 10:22

My manager was very sensible. Ours is an online system. She put something like 'spoken to, perosnal opinion, no thing more needed' or something like that.

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ImmortalSnowman · Today 10:23

5128gap · Today 06:41

That's not very positive of you, is it? Why not try "Oh wow Sandra! That is a super interesting perspective, that has really made me think! Your opinion is totally valid here, as is Derek's who thinks the exact opposite, and I feel so inspired by you both, and so lucky to work in a safe environment where all feelings are valid!"

Why is @Vintageshirtsearch the only person who is not allowed an opinion in your scenario? Her opinion is as valid as anyones.

Vintageshirtsearch · Today 10:24

ImmortalSnowman · Today 10:23

Why is @Vintageshirtsearch the only person who is not allowed an opinion in your scenario? Her opinion is as valid as anyones.

Probably cos I'm a middle aged woman

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Sereine · Today 10:26

Owly11 · Yesterday 21:43

It sounds like you did take sides in the argument. If you are older perhaps they see you as having more power in the organisation. It's obviously ridiculous of them to report you but I can see how it might have felt to them that you were dismissive of one person's view and supportive of the other.

By that token, no-one who is senior in an organisation would ever be allowed to voice an opinion differing from their juniors' views on any topic whatsoever in case it's being seen as dismissive and unsupporting. Presumably if juniors have differing views, those senior to them are supposed to agree with both sides.

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