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AIBU to think my parents are ignorant & somewhat racist ???

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:02

DH and I are both mid 40s. We moved to Dubai nearly 18 years ago for jobs, what was meant to be temporary became permanent, and we’ve built our lives here. We are still British, still expats, but very settled.

Our children were both born in Singapore as we were there for work for a while too. They’re British citizens but have never lived in the UK. We visit 6 or so times a fear. Frequent enough for them to somewhat know England or at least know where DH and I are from/grew up. They’ve done all the sightseeing, London eye, Scotland, Wales, Cotswolds, Cornwall etc they’ve been UK

They attend an international school here which is academically strong and well regarded. It’s also affiliated in various ways with UK private schools and a lot of the teaching staff are British. It follows a fairly rigorous curriculum, and many students go on to UK universities.

But the reality of the school is that it’s very international, as you’d expect. Their friendship group includes children from England, Scotland, America, Barbados, Bermuda, South Africa, Australia, India and many other countries. That’s just their normal.

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

We’ve also had similar reactions to other things. We sent a photo from my eldest son’s birthday recently around 20 children at a party here. Again, instead of being happy, the comments were about how it must be “just rich international kids” and that this isn’t a normal upbringing, and that we should be coming back to England.

The same narrative keeps coming up: that the children are “barely English anymore”, don’t sound English, don’t understand England properly, and that we’re somehow denying them a “proper British childhood”.
Even the accents get mentioned, they don’t have traditional English accents, more of an ‘international school’ accent despite DH and I having very southern England accents , which apparently is another concern.

What I struggle with is that from our perspective, none of this is negative.
My children are happy, confident, well educated, and very comfortable around people from all backgrounds. They don’t really think in terms of nationality in the way I grew up doing. They just see friends.

They are very well travelled, have lived this international lifestyle all their lives, and are completely at ease in multicultural environments. I actually see that as a strength rather than something missing.

But my parents seem to view it as a loss, like they’ve ended up with grandchildren who are somehow less “British” than they expected, and that this needs correcting by moving back.

They’re also very keen for us to return to the UK permanently, offering to buy us a house in cobham, but we simply don’t want to. I grew up in cobham, I don’t want to live there now. We have a good life here, we feel safe, the children are thriving, and we’re not ready to leave.

I grew up in Surrey and part of me does remember how small and insular things could feel, and I don’t think I want to go back to that for my children.

I feel guilty because I understand they miss us and want us closer, especially as they get older. But I also feel frustrated that everything about our children’s lives here is being framed as “wrong” or “less British”.

First it was ‘when are you two going to have children’ now I don’t think they love our children. They’re not willing to accept them. They’re still young, we can move back to the England and they’ll get an English accent but we don’t want to and also why does it matter. There’s more things my parents have said. Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

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ElleintheWoods · 27/06/2026 22:49

Oh wow. I'm sorry that you have to put up with this.

I'm surprised your parents live in Surrey, they sound as though they lived in some small isolated village in the middle of nowhere, not Cobham!

Have they not realised that some of the best schools in England that send the largest number of kids to Oxbridge are super multicultural and have lots of kids from different ethnic backgrounds and gasp, even different countries like China, India, Nigeria? That most major prominent UK corporations in 2026 have a very international and multilingual workforce, and it's hard to get a good job if you are not comfortable in a global, multicultural environment? That actually, the best and wealthiest clients of lawyers, finance people etc here in the UK tend to be from elsewhere in the world, such as Asia and the Middle East, where many UK-based HNWIs are from?

I'm not sure what kind of future your parents would envisage for your children and what kind of background you are from, but these days it's very difficult to be a high achiever in London, Paris, NY, Milan etc without having the kind of background that you have, or learning the ways of this kind of background.

As to 'the boys bringing home a non-British girl'. Well, doh, you live in a foreign country, British is the minority there, so they can do the math... Even Donald Trump, who they probably look up to, doesn't have a same nationality wife. He's VP's wife is not white. Nigel Farage's partner is not British. How do they feel about that, out of interest?

Having said that, parents will be parents. I'm Danish and I'm losing my Danish (I have an English accent now when I speak it due to lack of practice), and am largely disconnected from that country - parents not loving it when they have to explain it monocultural friends but at least they understand. A fair few of their friends are quite racist though and the passing comments about non-white people I overhear are hurtful to the degree that I don't wish to engage with them in any way and write them off as a lost cause. They grew up in a monocultural, monoethnic, monolreligious situation and just lack the intelligence to cope in a world that's not the 1970s. Not everyone can cope with change.

Increasingly people of that generation are being nudged to awaken as the torchbearers of their national identity, and so it goes...

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:49

iwishtoo · 27/06/2026 22:41

And unless OP has paid UK tax -unlikely - then they should be paying international fees. But wait, OP has a plan to get round that ...

We pay tax in uk, we have a house there that we rent out as well voluntary NI contributions. We do plan to come back to England for our children mainly then leave once they’re over 18 if they choose to go to university, we will not need to live in England, we are still in touch with our relatives in England. Then again retirement we will come back to England.

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FreyaonFire · 27/06/2026 22:50

OP, you mentioned your kids paying home fees as opposed to international fees if they wanted to study in the UK. This is not true, as the home fees status is to do with residency not just citizenship. British neighbours living in the European city I live in have been through this process just recently - the rules have changed. Their oldest child who went to uni in the uk in 2025 got in on home fees, but that is no longer possible for their remaining kids nor mine. To pay home fees your children will have to have lived 3 years in the UK preceding the start of their studies. But of course anything can happen between how and 2034 when your kids will be applying - the rules might change again but just worth keeping in mind.

Longdarkcloud · 27/06/2026 22:52

I’ve got 2 points to make

  1. I think the OP’s sons are having a brilliant upbringing. But would the customary laws affect them if they were daughters?
  2. Are your DS’s aware of the very different perspective on Human Rights? Are they aware of the thousands of poorly paid labourers and servants in the country, Do you have House servants? If so how must this affect your boys’ attitude re their own status in the world?

BTW I visited a very expensive and prestigious independent prep school recently and was struck by the fact that there was a minority of European pupils and attribute this to the fact that few English families can afford the fees.

DreamyScroller · 27/06/2026 22:53

Sigh. No, it's not racist to want your children and grandchildren to share in the heritage and culture your ancestors, and you, helped build. Any other (grand)parents from any other culture could say something similar to what your parents have said and no one would misunderstand. For example, an Indian man might lament his grandchildren not being brought up in India with other Indians and in that way of life, and every sane person would be like, aww, yeah of course he wants his grandchildren to adopt his country's culture. But when British parents say something like that, it's "racist".

I'm not saying there arent conversations to be had about your parents' perspectives, but this whole "I'd never let them see their fascist grandparents again" hysteria is pretty bonkers.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:54

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 22:44

So you've paid no tax in the UK (or Dubai) for the entirety of your children's life, but are coming back to ensure you wouldn't have to pay full fees in the UK, but that the taxpayer funds it? I get it that most people try to get the best out a the system when it comes to their children (it's a very normal instinct), but you can see why this rankles.

I instinctively hate the idea of a wealth tax, but I can see the value in the US system where you have to pay tax to the US on your wages if you hold US citizenship/passport. I think a lot of people agree that you should pay into a system to take back out of it.

Op, I get that you're not some ogre, but I imagine your parents aren't either. They may hold the same views I hold about you or they may just desperately miss their grandchildren (and you) and feel they have no cultural connection to them. Added with some racism. But I'd say you've been propping up racism and violence, and actively ignoring that for wealth, as a migrant in too.

I think there’s a lot of assumptions being made. We pay tax in uk. Where did I say I didn’t ?
Tax payers will not fund our fees. We will pay for our children’s university fees but they will have home status at the minute it’s under 10k. We will pay it off our own back they will not take out any loans.

I do agree with you, we have kept up with our contributions. We are British citizens we do not hold any other citizenship just residency. We plan to come back therefore we contribute in many ways despite not being ordinarily residents at the minute.

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PurpleThistle7 · 27/06/2026 22:54

Octavia64 · 27/06/2026 20:49

Nah

big cities, maybe. London, yes.

try rural Norfolk and it’s 99.9% white.
lots of parts of the uk have very very few non white people

Indeed. Anywhere outside Glasgow and edinburgh in s Orlando is overwhelmingly white. And pretty white comparatively speaking there too.

iwishtoo · 27/06/2026 22:56

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:49

We pay tax in uk, we have a house there that we rent out as well voluntary NI contributions. We do plan to come back to England for our children mainly then leave once they’re over 18 if they choose to go to university, we will not need to live in England, we are still in touch with our relatives in England. Then again retirement we will come back to England.

But you haven't paid tax on your salary though?

InterestedDad37 · 27/06/2026 22:57

I mean, I'm not a fan of Dubai, but I am all for education, an open mind and learning (through experience) about other cultures - having an internationalist outlook. It sounds very much like you both have this, and your children will certainly have it. Rest assured that you have done the right thing by your kids. It's your parents who have the issues and the closed (or limited) outlook.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:57

FreyaonFire · 27/06/2026 22:50

OP, you mentioned your kids paying home fees as opposed to international fees if they wanted to study in the UK. This is not true, as the home fees status is to do with residency not just citizenship. British neighbours living in the European city I live in have been through this process just recently - the rules have changed. Their oldest child who went to uni in the uk in 2025 got in on home fees, but that is no longer possible for their remaining kids nor mine. To pay home fees your children will have to have lived 3 years in the UK preceding the start of their studies. But of course anything can happen between how and 2034 when your kids will be applying - the rules might change again but just worth keeping in mind.

They will sit their IB in England as well as their GCSEs. We have looked into it. They might not even attend university in the uk but we will give them the option. They will be entitled to home fees, we also pay tax.

Yes the rules might change which is why we have saved for university and continue to save so they have all the options. They can go to university.

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RafaFan · 27/06/2026 22:57

Happytap · 27/06/2026 22:30

Calling yourself an expat rather than an immigrant is racist and old fashioned - so you might want to think about stones and glass houses OP.

Come to think of it Dubai is built on slave labour and racism so you might be doing more harm than your parents in terms of paying into the system.

Ex-pat seems to get used when there is no intention of staying forever in whatever country it is, and no intention of ever integrating with the local population. My uncle lived in Spain for years and knew virtually no Spaniards and read his Daily Record every day... it is a very colonial mindset. I emigrated to Canada years ago, and while there are loads of British people here, there is no "ex-pat community" and the Brits do not cluster together - we're all pretty integrated. But then my kids were born here and have Canadian passports, whereas as a child born in Dubai to foreign parents doesn't automatically get an Emirati passport I don't think?

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 23:01

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:54

I think there’s a lot of assumptions being made. We pay tax in uk. Where did I say I didn’t ?
Tax payers will not fund our fees. We will pay for our children’s university fees but they will have home status at the minute it’s under 10k. We will pay it off our own back they will not take out any loans.

I do agree with you, we have kept up with our contributions. We are British citizens we do not hold any other citizenship just residency. We plan to come back therefore we contribute in many ways despite not being ordinarily residents at the minute.

I was always told (and have found it to be correct) if someone overseas says, "I pay UK taxes because I pay voluntary NI," then that's a little bit misleading.

A more accurate statement would be "I pay voluntary National Insurance contributions to protect my UK State Pension."

Voluntary NI is essentially an optional payment to maintain a National Insurance record. It's separate from UK income tax and doesn't mean you're paying tax on overseas earnings.....

Even rental income would be very low tax payments....

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:03

iwishtoo · 27/06/2026 22:56

But you haven't paid tax on your salary though?

I have no issues paying tax at all. UK doesn’t tax on non uk income. At the minute we do not spend 183+ days in the UK. If the rules change we will gladly pay tax on our salary. Tax in uk is residency based not citizenship so at the minute no but we still keep ties in the country. We have a house there, DH has a business with his brother. We do contribute just not in the way we would if we live there.

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Dobeebeedah · 27/06/2026 23:03

What a wonderful rich cultural education your children are getting. So many different experiences to UK. I really envy your family's lifestyle. Lovely to hear you and your family are happy.

The English are no different to other nationalities: Most (not all) want their children to reflect their own culture and experience.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:05

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 23:01

I was always told (and have found it to be correct) if someone overseas says, "I pay UK taxes because I pay voluntary NI," then that's a little bit misleading.

A more accurate statement would be "I pay voluntary National Insurance contributions to protect my UK State Pension."

Voluntary NI is essentially an optional payment to maintain a National Insurance record. It's separate from UK income tax and doesn't mean you're paying tax on overseas earnings.....

Even rental income would be very low tax payments....

Sorry to mislead, UK doesn’t tax on citizenship it’s residency. If rules change we will gladly oblige.

DH does have a business with his brother who is classed ordinarily a resident in the uk as he spends slightly over 183 day there but also lives in America.

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ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 23:06

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:03

I have no issues paying tax at all. UK doesn’t tax on non uk income. At the minute we do not spend 183+ days in the UK. If the rules change we will gladly pay tax on our salary. Tax in uk is residency based not citizenship so at the minute no but we still keep ties in the country. We have a house there, DH has a business with his brother. We do contribute just not in the way we would if we live there.

This means that OP pays either £180 ish or £950 PER YEAR as a voluntary contribution to NI.

Yes, PER YEAR.

Guess what, mostly people in Dubai always go for the lower amount.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:07

RafaFan · 27/06/2026 22:57

Ex-pat seems to get used when there is no intention of staying forever in whatever country it is, and no intention of ever integrating with the local population. My uncle lived in Spain for years and knew virtually no Spaniards and read his Daily Record every day... it is a very colonial mindset. I emigrated to Canada years ago, and while there are loads of British people here, there is no "ex-pat community" and the Brits do not cluster together - we're all pretty integrated. But then my kids were born here and have Canadian passports, whereas as a child born in Dubai to foreign parents doesn't automatically get an Emirati passport I don't think?

You’re right.

My children will never get an Emirati passport. Only citizenship they have is British and only citizenship DH and I have is British we won’t have any other citizenship. Our children maybe one day if they marry someone who isn’t British but other than that they’re not dual citizens.

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:09

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 23:06

This means that OP pays either £180 ish or £950 PER YEAR as a voluntary contribution to NI.

Yes, PER YEAR.

Guess what, mostly people in Dubai always go for the lower amount.

I think HMRC would disagree but I’ll agree with you as you know what we pay in tax based on all our current factors.

I am not here to argue with anyone I posed a question that’s all I didn’t intend for this to be a tax interrogation. We do not live in UK if UK decided to tax on citizenship not residency we will oblige 100%

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CloudPop · 27/06/2026 23:15

“The other kids don’t look English”. Well that’s because they aren’t? Your children are lucky enough to grow up in an affluent multi cultural society. Well done you for giving them such an amazing childhood

DryTerryandJUNE · 27/06/2026 23:16

Your children are British passport holders but they aren't English. Your parents sound irritating beyond belief, and very small-minded.

Gleba · 27/06/2026 23:16

Why come back to the UK at all? The govt instability that you dislike is not going anywhere. Dubai on the other hand is a very stable dictatorship and has good universities. Wouldn’t your children miss their friends?

Frugalgal · 27/06/2026 23:26

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:02

DH and I are both mid 40s. We moved to Dubai nearly 18 years ago for jobs, what was meant to be temporary became permanent, and we’ve built our lives here. We are still British, still expats, but very settled.

Our children were both born in Singapore as we were there for work for a while too. They’re British citizens but have never lived in the UK. We visit 6 or so times a fear. Frequent enough for them to somewhat know England or at least know where DH and I are from/grew up. They’ve done all the sightseeing, London eye, Scotland, Wales, Cotswolds, Cornwall etc they’ve been UK

They attend an international school here which is academically strong and well regarded. It’s also affiliated in various ways with UK private schools and a lot of the teaching staff are British. It follows a fairly rigorous curriculum, and many students go on to UK universities.

But the reality of the school is that it’s very international, as you’d expect. Their friendship group includes children from England, Scotland, America, Barbados, Bermuda, South Africa, Australia, India and many other countries. That’s just their normal.

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

We’ve also had similar reactions to other things. We sent a photo from my eldest son’s birthday recently around 20 children at a party here. Again, instead of being happy, the comments were about how it must be “just rich international kids” and that this isn’t a normal upbringing, and that we should be coming back to England.

The same narrative keeps coming up: that the children are “barely English anymore”, don’t sound English, don’t understand England properly, and that we’re somehow denying them a “proper British childhood”.
Even the accents get mentioned, they don’t have traditional English accents, more of an ‘international school’ accent despite DH and I having very southern England accents , which apparently is another concern.

What I struggle with is that from our perspective, none of this is negative.
My children are happy, confident, well educated, and very comfortable around people from all backgrounds. They don’t really think in terms of nationality in the way I grew up doing. They just see friends.

They are very well travelled, have lived this international lifestyle all their lives, and are completely at ease in multicultural environments. I actually see that as a strength rather than something missing.

But my parents seem to view it as a loss, like they’ve ended up with grandchildren who are somehow less “British” than they expected, and that this needs correcting by moving back.

They’re also very keen for us to return to the UK permanently, offering to buy us a house in cobham, but we simply don’t want to. I grew up in cobham, I don’t want to live there now. We have a good life here, we feel safe, the children are thriving, and we’re not ready to leave.

I grew up in Surrey and part of me does remember how small and insular things could feel, and I don’t think I want to go back to that for my children.

I feel guilty because I understand they miss us and want us closer, especially as they get older. But I also feel frustrated that everything about our children’s lives here is being framed as “wrong” or “less British”.

First it was ‘when are you two going to have children’ now I don’t think they love our children. They’re not willing to accept them. They’re still young, we can move back to the England and they’ll get an English accent but we don’t want to and also why does it matter. There’s more things my parents have said. Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

You're not 'ex-pats' you are economic migrants.

That said, your parents sound insufferable and your kids sound like they have a great life , the only 'proper British' things missing from their upbringing are rain and incessant moaning about foreigners, the latter is excruciatingly tedious, ubiquitous and inescapable these days.

Ignore the nonsense from your small minded parochial parents and enjoy your international lifestyle..

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:27

Gleba · 27/06/2026 23:16

Why come back to the UK at all? The govt instability that you dislike is not going anywhere. Dubai on the other hand is a very stable dictatorship and has good universities. Wouldn’t your children miss their friends?

Am I not allowed to criticise uk politics? I am by no means saying Dubai is perfect or stable. I’m just giving an example as to what I have see. 4 of my cousins children have moved abroad 1 of them is doctor and was a doctor in the uk for 8 years now in Australia loving it. Not saying Australia is the beacon of hope etc but seems to be for uk doctors currently. Another young doctor in my family only 25 looking to move, hasn’t enjoyed being a medic in England. 3 of my nephews have moved abroad too. This is a small sample but for young people it doesn’t seem as though there’s lot of opportunities. These are all graduates, engineering, medicine, economics degrees.

The children would miss their friends but also their friends will be moving back abroad too. A lot of the previous children at their school have all gone international so I don’t think they’ll miss each other I think they’ll find each other. None of these children are citizens on Dubai it’s all just residency.

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:27

Frugalgal · 27/06/2026 23:26

You're not 'ex-pats' you are economic migrants.

That said, your parents sound insufferable and your kids sound like they have a great life , the only 'proper British' things missing from their upbringing are rain and incessant moaning about foreigners, the latter is excruciatingly tedious, ubiquitous and inescapable these days.

Ignore the nonsense from your small minded parochial parents and enjoy your international lifestyle..

Agree sorry it’s a term people use. I’ve said I’m an immigrant

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suburberphobe · 27/06/2026 23:29

I'm sorry you are getting so much flack OP.

A lot of criticism you're getting is just armchair warriors who would do well to put their words into practice and start volunteering to help alleviate the myriad struggles in the world. Plenty of NGOs working for women around the world.
And other types, climate change, indigenous rights etc.

Are they aware of the thousands of poorly paid labourers and servants in the country,

Well of course they are. There are lorry's galore with them on the back which is ubiquitous all over the world and you pass them by in your car and an elephant in India lol

Kids are not blind to what is going on around them.