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AIBU to think my parents are ignorant & somewhat racist ???

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:02

DH and I are both mid 40s. We moved to Dubai nearly 18 years ago for jobs, what was meant to be temporary became permanent, and we’ve built our lives here. We are still British, still expats, but very settled.

Our children were both born in Singapore as we were there for work for a while too. They’re British citizens but have never lived in the UK. We visit 6 or so times a fear. Frequent enough for them to somewhat know England or at least know where DH and I are from/grew up. They’ve done all the sightseeing, London eye, Scotland, Wales, Cotswolds, Cornwall etc they’ve been UK

They attend an international school here which is academically strong and well regarded. It’s also affiliated in various ways with UK private schools and a lot of the teaching staff are British. It follows a fairly rigorous curriculum, and many students go on to UK universities.

But the reality of the school is that it’s very international, as you’d expect. Their friendship group includes children from England, Scotland, America, Barbados, Bermuda, South Africa, Australia, India and many other countries. That’s just their normal.

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

We’ve also had similar reactions to other things. We sent a photo from my eldest son’s birthday recently around 20 children at a party here. Again, instead of being happy, the comments were about how it must be “just rich international kids” and that this isn’t a normal upbringing, and that we should be coming back to England.

The same narrative keeps coming up: that the children are “barely English anymore”, don’t sound English, don’t understand England properly, and that we’re somehow denying them a “proper British childhood”.
Even the accents get mentioned, they don’t have traditional English accents, more of an ‘international school’ accent despite DH and I having very southern England accents , which apparently is another concern.

What I struggle with is that from our perspective, none of this is negative.
My children are happy, confident, well educated, and very comfortable around people from all backgrounds. They don’t really think in terms of nationality in the way I grew up doing. They just see friends.

They are very well travelled, have lived this international lifestyle all their lives, and are completely at ease in multicultural environments. I actually see that as a strength rather than something missing.

But my parents seem to view it as a loss, like they’ve ended up with grandchildren who are somehow less “British” than they expected, and that this needs correcting by moving back.

They’re also very keen for us to return to the UK permanently, offering to buy us a house in cobham, but we simply don’t want to. I grew up in cobham, I don’t want to live there now. We have a good life here, we feel safe, the children are thriving, and we’re not ready to leave.

I grew up in Surrey and part of me does remember how small and insular things could feel, and I don’t think I want to go back to that for my children.

I feel guilty because I understand they miss us and want us closer, especially as they get older. But I also feel frustrated that everything about our children’s lives here is being framed as “wrong” or “less British”.

First it was ‘when are you two going to have children’ now I don’t think they love our children. They’re not willing to accept them. They’re still young, we can move back to the England and they’ll get an English accent but we don’t want to and also why does it matter. There’s more things my parents have said. Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:31

DryTerryandJUNE · 27/06/2026 23:16

Your children are British passport holders but they aren't English. Your parents sound irritating beyond belief, and very small-minded.

What would you count me as English ?

Would I be English considering I’ve lived in quite a few places.

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suburberphobe · 27/06/2026 23:29

I'm sorry you are getting so much flack OP.

A lot of criticism you're getting is just armchair warriors who would do well to put their words into practice and start volunteering to help alleviate the myriad struggles in the world. Plenty of NGOs working for women around the world.
And other types, climate change, indigenous rights etc.

Are they aware of the thousands of poorly paid labourers and servants in the country,

Well of course they are. There are lorry's galore with them on the back which is ubiquitous all over the world and you pass them by in your car and an elephant in India lol

Kids are not blind to what is going on around them.

A lot of criticism you're getting is just armchair warriors who would do well to put their words into practice and start volunteering to help alleviate the myriad struggles in the world. Plenty of NGOs working for women around the world.
And other types, climate change, indigenous rights etc

Most of us are currently in the UK, working our arses off to keep a roof over our heads. What we’re not doing is taking advantage of people from impoverished circumstances and then whining that our parents have verbalised some unpleasant attitudes towards people who aren’t white.

Gleba · 27/06/2026 23:48

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:27

Am I not allowed to criticise uk politics? I am by no means saying Dubai is perfect or stable. I’m just giving an example as to what I have see. 4 of my cousins children have moved abroad 1 of them is doctor and was a doctor in the uk for 8 years now in Australia loving it. Not saying Australia is the beacon of hope etc but seems to be for uk doctors currently. Another young doctor in my family only 25 looking to move, hasn’t enjoyed being a medic in England. 3 of my nephews have moved abroad too. This is a small sample but for young people it doesn’t seem as though there’s lot of opportunities. These are all graduates, engineering, medicine, economics degrees.

The children would miss their friends but also their friends will be moving back abroad too. A lot of the previous children at their school have all gone international so I don’t think they’ll miss each other I think they’ll find each other. None of these children are citizens on Dubai it’s all just residency.

Then why make your children move to England if there are more opportunities abroad? You say that lots of family members have emigrated and are enjoying great opportunities. You’ve done the hard bit - starting a new life abroad. Why undo all that?

Yogafiend · 27/06/2026 23:50

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:27

Agree sorry it’s a term people use. I’ve said I’m an immigrant

Really don’t worry about using this term. Expats is a term that most UK citizens use to describe themselves and it’s not just used in Dubai. But I agree with you. Your parents do sound somewhat racists. I have heard people tend to become more conservative as they become older - not that this is an excuse. You are providing your kids a wonderful life. And it’s not like you are blind to the faults of where you live. But as you said no country is perfect but you are making it work for you lr family which is what matters. What I would say from someone who has lived in several countries is you do get a less emotional attachment to your citizenship country but that doesn’t mean that you don’t feel like you are a certain citizenship.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:52

Gleba · 27/06/2026 23:48

Then why make your children move to England if there are more opportunities abroad? You say that lots of family members have emigrated and are enjoying great opportunities. You’ve done the hard bit - starting a new life abroad. Why undo all that?

Because that’s what we would like to do. I haven’t said any of these places my nephews are at or my cousins children are beacons of hope etc. I think we are able to move back whenever we’d like to we are British citizens we don’t have any other citizenship. We have the right to move back to England next week if we wanted. We have every right to do that last time I checked but I could be wrong.

Same way some of my family members have moved out if the uk it’s not forever. I don’t see anything wrong with moving and seeing what’s out there especially as a young person.

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rainingsnoring · 27/06/2026 23:54

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:49

We pay tax in uk, we have a house there that we rent out as well voluntary NI contributions. We do plan to come back to England for our children mainly then leave once they’re over 18 if they choose to go to university, we will not need to live in England, we are still in touch with our relatives in England. Then again retirement we will come back to England.

Yes, your parents sound racist and arrogant.

However, this post makes it sound as if you have left the UK for 20+ years to avoid paying ££££ in tax but then plan to come back 'for our children mainly', which I translate as 'to take advantage of British resident fees for University and save yourselves even more £££' (and then leave again). What exactly to you mean by you plan to come back 'for our children mainly'? If you want to be an immigrant to Dubai, fair enough, but you shouldn't then come back briefly, specifically to have your DC's Uni costs subsidised and to be subsidised by the UK tax payer in retirment. That is entirely wrong.
Perhaps I have misunderstood..

HesterLeggatt · 27/06/2026 23:56

OP, I’m effectively your children in 30 years. My family are from the same bit of Surrey, but I grew up in multiple countries, across 4 different continents. Your parents are both racist and very, very wrong - getting to experience what the world has to offer is a huge gift for your children, and a trip to Brooklands or Learherhead leisure centre doesn’t really compare 🤣

It’s not all shiny happy, I would say there are pros and cons to it.

On the plus side:

  • I speak 4 languages fluently, and am conversational in a few more.
  • I had a really extensive education as I went to mostly independent/international schools with small class sizes, varied curriculums and lots of exposure to different languages and cultures.
  • with all the moving around, I was very independent at a young age, and quite street smart, and having lived with people of many races, religions, culture and nationalities I learned early that we are all more alike than we are different, and developed quite a strong sense of social justice/conscience.
  • having experienced so many different food cultures growing up I’ve never been a picky eater, and if I say so myself, I’m a really good cook!

On the down side:

  • I have absolutely no childhood friends, because either I moved or they did.
  • I have few sentimental childhood possessions as with so many moves they’ve been lost or broken over the years.
  • When I eventually moved to the UK for uni I found it very hard to “find my place” - on paper I’m British, but it had never been my home and I struggled to fit in.
  • after so many new starts, it took me a very long time to settle on a direction in life and if I’m honest I’ve struggled to stick to things.

But I would never change it - I feel so lucky to have been all over the world and seen and experienced so many places and cultures.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:59

rainingsnoring · 27/06/2026 23:54

Yes, your parents sound racist and arrogant.

However, this post makes it sound as if you have left the UK for 20+ years to avoid paying ££££ in tax but then plan to come back 'for our children mainly', which I translate as 'to take advantage of British resident fees for University and save yourselves even more £££' (and then leave again). What exactly to you mean by you plan to come back 'for our children mainly'? If you want to be an immigrant to Dubai, fair enough, but you shouldn't then come back briefly, specifically to have your DC's Uni costs subsidised and to be subsidised by the UK tax payer in retirment. That is entirely wrong.
Perhaps I have misunderstood..

We didn’t move specifically to avoid tax. We moved because we had job opportunities that we could not get in England. We were graduates who just got tired of working shitty jobs to be honest.

We have every right to move back to the country we are from anytime we want. We could move back in an hour if we wanted to. We are British citizens, DH and I were born in England. Our parents born in England. My children will not get citizenship here ever so why can’t they come to England where they have citizenship later on. They will not take out student loans we will pay the fees, they do not have any other citizenship if they did maybe we’d have different take on their IB and what country they take them.

Anyways by the time they reach that age the rules might have changed in the uk. We have savings for them, we aren’t trying to steal tax payers money. They will not be using any loan we will pay the fees whichever fee status they’re granted when they apply to university. That’s also if they choose England for university, they might choose America or Canada etc.

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Lampsandlightsandotherthings · 28/06/2026 00:00

You don’t come across well, and why. The. Shit. Should young tax payers support you in your retirement ! Avoiding tax payments in the UK for most of your working life ! And you are blatant about it. This has to be ragebait.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 00:01

rainingsnoring · 27/06/2026 23:54

Yes, your parents sound racist and arrogant.

However, this post makes it sound as if you have left the UK for 20+ years to avoid paying ££££ in tax but then plan to come back 'for our children mainly', which I translate as 'to take advantage of British resident fees for University and save yourselves even more £££' (and then leave again). What exactly to you mean by you plan to come back 'for our children mainly'? If you want to be an immigrant to Dubai, fair enough, but you shouldn't then come back briefly, specifically to have your DC's Uni costs subsidised and to be subsidised by the UK tax payer in retirment. That is entirely wrong.
Perhaps I have misunderstood..

According to HMRC and home office. We have every right to come back to England as many times as we want and even retire in England. Maybe the rules will change by the time I’m in my 60s but that will be quite the change considering there’s lot of people like me who only have British citizenship.

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 28/06/2026 00:02

We lived in that part of the world for many years, and left only when dd1 was coming up to senior school. Our dcs had attended the excellent English speaking primary school, but there were many other nationalities there - ours thought it was very boring to be ‘just English’ when there were so many nationalities and ‘mixes’ - Greek/Swiss, Dutch/Indian, Aussie/Vietnamese, you name it.

However we knew we were never going to stay for good, and would not have been entitled to citizenship of the country, nor would our children. TBH Dh had concerns about what he called the ‘overseas daughter syndrome’, since we’d known people whose dds who’d lived there almost from birth, who only felt they belonged to a country they were never going to be legal citizens of, and never really settled back home.

I’ve never regretted leaving when we did, but this was all quite a while ago now, so I dare say there are now different aspects/factors to consider.

rainingsnoring · 28/06/2026 00:04

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:59

We didn’t move specifically to avoid tax. We moved because we had job opportunities that we could not get in England. We were graduates who just got tired of working shitty jobs to be honest.

We have every right to move back to the country we are from anytime we want. We could move back in an hour if we wanted to. We are British citizens, DH and I were born in England. Our parents born in England. My children will not get citizenship here ever so why can’t they come to England where they have citizenship later on. They will not take out student loans we will pay the fees, they do not have any other citizenship if they did maybe we’d have different take on their IB and what country they take them.

Anyways by the time they reach that age the rules might have changed in the uk. We have savings for them, we aren’t trying to steal tax payers money. They will not be using any loan we will pay the fees whichever fee status they’re granted when they apply to university. That’s also if they choose England for university, they might choose America or Canada etc.

You may as well be honest @ForCyanShaker. Of course you moved partially to avoid tax. You have, no doubt, avoided paying a huge, huge amount in UK tax.
You then plan to return before your children hit Uni age so that they can claim lower fees. Why not just stay in Dubai and pay international fees of 30/40k or whatever? Obviously, having avoided paying UK tax for decades, you can afford to pay the 10k/year or whatever it is by then. You also then plan to return in retirement to take advantage of the rules again.
As the pp said, you are not coming across well.

rainingsnoring · 28/06/2026 00:06

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 00:01

According to HMRC and home office. We have every right to come back to England as many times as we want and even retire in England. Maybe the rules will change by the time I’m in my 60s but that will be quite the change considering there’s lot of people like me who only have British citizenship.

Have you genuinely missed the point of my post? It wasn't about what you are entitled to. Is that your only consideration? Your entitlement.

Theworldsgonemadagain · 28/06/2026 00:08

Why are your parents surprised they are 'barely English' when they haven't been brought up here.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 00:10

rainingsnoring · 28/06/2026 00:06

Have you genuinely missed the point of my post? It wasn't about what you are entitled to. Is that your only consideration? Your entitlement.

You’re right I might have missed your point.

I think it’s okay for me to come back to the country I grew up in. What’s wrong with wanting to come back they don’t have to give me the state pension. By the time I retire rules might change but I highly doubt they’ll make it a rule for people who moved abroad and only have one citizenship to not be allowed back to England. But never say never.

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 00:17

rainingsnoring · 28/06/2026 00:04

You may as well be honest @ForCyanShaker. Of course you moved partially to avoid tax. You have, no doubt, avoided paying a huge, huge amount in UK tax.
You then plan to return before your children hit Uni age so that they can claim lower fees. Why not just stay in Dubai and pay international fees of 30/40k or whatever? Obviously, having avoided paying UK tax for decades, you can afford to pay the 10k/year or whatever it is by then. You also then plan to return in retirement to take advantage of the rules again.
As the pp said, you are not coming across well.

Why can’t I come to the uk. I am absolutely fine if they change the rules of who is entitled to the state pension. The state pension is not a lot of money I will not be stealing from people who are ordinarily residents. I wouldn’t even argue if they took the pension from me. The reason we contribute NI wise and other tax purposes if because when we first moved we thought it was only for 2 years. Our work contracts were fixed term. DH and I bought a house in England and kept up with the tax there and just kept up with NI contributions too.

As for my children they might want to study in America it’s not 100% they’ll study in England. I do not make the rules if the rules change that’s fine. They might change. We are fine with the changes we aren’t fussed. I do however thing we have a right to come back to England where we were born, we don’t have to have any of the benefits but we are citizens, we do not have citizenship anywhere else.

I am sorry if it doesn’t come out well that I’d like to come back to England one day but it’s not to steal any of the tax payers money. Uk has every right to change the rules if they wanted to they could tax on citizenship nor residency and most would oblige especially when they only have British citizenship ie a lot of people we know.

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Twolittlebirds75 · 28/06/2026 00:26

It sounds like your parents just want you and GC back where they can be more involved, that doesn't mean that their views are correct on racism etc.
I live in a lovely rural area butthe high schools are awful(teacher myself) so an English education is not necessarily desirable. You only get one life do what makes your family unit 😊 happy

Clavinova · 28/06/2026 00:30

HesterLeggatt · 27/06/2026 23:56

OP, I’m effectively your children in 30 years. My family are from the same bit of Surrey, but I grew up in multiple countries, across 4 different continents. Your parents are both racist and very, very wrong - getting to experience what the world has to offer is a huge gift for your children, and a trip to Brooklands or Learherhead leisure centre doesn’t really compare 🤣

It’s not all shiny happy, I would say there are pros and cons to it.

On the plus side:

  • I speak 4 languages fluently, and am conversational in a few more.
  • I had a really extensive education as I went to mostly independent/international schools with small class sizes, varied curriculums and lots of exposure to different languages and cultures.
  • with all the moving around, I was very independent at a young age, and quite street smart, and having lived with people of many races, religions, culture and nationalities I learned early that we are all more alike than we are different, and developed quite a strong sense of social justice/conscience.
  • having experienced so many different food cultures growing up I’ve never been a picky eater, and if I say so myself, I’m a really good cook!

On the down side:

  • I have absolutely no childhood friends, because either I moved or they did.
  • I have few sentimental childhood possessions as with so many moves they’ve been lost or broken over the years.
  • When I eventually moved to the UK for uni I found it very hard to “find my place” - on paper I’m British, but it had never been my home and I struggled to fit in.
  • after so many new starts, it took me a very long time to settle on a direction in life and if I’m honest I’ve struggled to stick to things.

But I would never change it - I feel so lucky to have been all over the world and seen and experienced so many places and cultures.

a trip to Brooklands or Learherhead leisure centre doesn’t really compare

Cobham is not far from London. And if you have plenty of money you can join one of the country clubs near to Cobham - Foxhills, Beaverbrook or the RAC Club for example - rather than go to the Leatherhead Leisure Centre.

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SixtySomething · 28/06/2026 00:40

It’s a disgusting way to view the world.
I believe you're saying this because you believe your parents are racist?

I don't think the behaviour you describe is racist. Racism isn't wanting your children to marry someone of their own nationality and for your grandchildren to be brought up to the way of life you have known. I would call that being traditional. I think you don't like your parents because they have a traditional outlook , and would like to be closer to you and their grandchildren,. Frankly I think that's pretty normal.

Surely racism is when someone is biasd against another person purely on the basis of their nationality and having false negative beliefs about that nation.
Your parents aren't doing that. They're making no secret that their beliefs are different from yours, partly a generational thing.

I get it's annoying but at the end of the day they are missing you. I'm sure they love their grandchildren and would like to be able to see more of them and feel they will have sonething in common wiht them.

RubyHiker · 28/06/2026 00:46

HesterLeggatt · 27/06/2026 23:56

OP, I’m effectively your children in 30 years. My family are from the same bit of Surrey, but I grew up in multiple countries, across 4 different continents. Your parents are both racist and very, very wrong - getting to experience what the world has to offer is a huge gift for your children, and a trip to Brooklands or Learherhead leisure centre doesn’t really compare 🤣

It’s not all shiny happy, I would say there are pros and cons to it.

On the plus side:

  • I speak 4 languages fluently, and am conversational in a few more.
  • I had a really extensive education as I went to mostly independent/international schools with small class sizes, varied curriculums and lots of exposure to different languages and cultures.
  • with all the moving around, I was very independent at a young age, and quite street smart, and having lived with people of many races, religions, culture and nationalities I learned early that we are all more alike than we are different, and developed quite a strong sense of social justice/conscience.
  • having experienced so many different food cultures growing up I’ve never been a picky eater, and if I say so myself, I’m a really good cook!

On the down side:

  • I have absolutely no childhood friends, because either I moved or they did.
  • I have few sentimental childhood possessions as with so many moves they’ve been lost or broken over the years.
  • When I eventually moved to the UK for uni I found it very hard to “find my place” - on paper I’m British, but it had never been my home and I struggled to fit in.
  • after so many new starts, it took me a very long time to settle on a direction in life and if I’m honest I’ve struggled to stick to things.

But I would never change it - I feel so lucky to have been all over the world and seen and experienced so many places and cultures.

This is a great round up, Op worth reading.

I've had a similar experience but the cons of my nomad upbringing outweigh the pros.

I moved back to the UK at 15 and felt like an outsider for so much of my life. It's a real identity struggle for some of us, trying to explain where you are "from" when I was born in one place but never spent more than 2 years in any one place.

As an adult I've refused to move out of the uk when my husband floated the idea because I desperately want my children to feel like they have a place that they "belong" and an anchor. I'm so jealous that he has friends he has known since birth.

I find i can close off from people very quickly because it's a natural part of the lifestyle I was raised with, friends who are here today can be gone tomorrow so why get attached

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JustSawJohnny · 28/06/2026 01:06

They clearly think a 'British' childhood, whatever the fuck that is, is 'superior' when in fact it sounds like your kids have a great life out there.

Our DS went to a tiny (very 'white') village school but is now in an all boys grammar school in a local town that is minority white.

It's fantastic to see DS now having friends from cultures all over the World.

He, and your kids, are not going to grow up as ignorant as your DP's and that is a great thing.