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AIBU to think my parents are ignorant & somewhat racist ???

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:02

DH and I are both mid 40s. We moved to Dubai nearly 18 years ago for jobs, what was meant to be temporary became permanent, and we’ve built our lives here. We are still British, still expats, but very settled.

Our children were both born in Singapore as we were there for work for a while too. They’re British citizens but have never lived in the UK. We visit 6 or so times a fear. Frequent enough for them to somewhat know England or at least know where DH and I are from/grew up. They’ve done all the sightseeing, London eye, Scotland, Wales, Cotswolds, Cornwall etc they’ve been UK

They attend an international school here which is academically strong and well regarded. It’s also affiliated in various ways with UK private schools and a lot of the teaching staff are British. It follows a fairly rigorous curriculum, and many students go on to UK universities.

But the reality of the school is that it’s very international, as you’d expect. Their friendship group includes children from England, Scotland, America, Barbados, Bermuda, South Africa, Australia, India and many other countries. That’s just their normal.

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

We’ve also had similar reactions to other things. We sent a photo from my eldest son’s birthday recently around 20 children at a party here. Again, instead of being happy, the comments were about how it must be “just rich international kids” and that this isn’t a normal upbringing, and that we should be coming back to England.

The same narrative keeps coming up: that the children are “barely English anymore”, don’t sound English, don’t understand England properly, and that we’re somehow denying them a “proper British childhood”.
Even the accents get mentioned, they don’t have traditional English accents, more of an ‘international school’ accent despite DH and I having very southern England accents , which apparently is another concern.

What I struggle with is that from our perspective, none of this is negative.
My children are happy, confident, well educated, and very comfortable around people from all backgrounds. They don’t really think in terms of nationality in the way I grew up doing. They just see friends.

They are very well travelled, have lived this international lifestyle all their lives, and are completely at ease in multicultural environments. I actually see that as a strength rather than something missing.

But my parents seem to view it as a loss, like they’ve ended up with grandchildren who are somehow less “British” than they expected, and that this needs correcting by moving back.

They’re also very keen for us to return to the UK permanently, offering to buy us a house in cobham, but we simply don’t want to. I grew up in cobham, I don’t want to live there now. We have a good life here, we feel safe, the children are thriving, and we’re not ready to leave.

I grew up in Surrey and part of me does remember how small and insular things could feel, and I don’t think I want to go back to that for my children.

I feel guilty because I understand they miss us and want us closer, especially as they get older. But I also feel frustrated that everything about our children’s lives here is being framed as “wrong” or “less British”.

First it was ‘when are you two going to have children’ now I don’t think they love our children. They’re not willing to accept them. They’re still young, we can move back to the England and they’ll get an English accent but we don’t want to and also why does it matter. There’s more things my parents have said. Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

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Clavinova · 27/06/2026 22:26

ForCyanShaker
Kids don’t see nationalities the way we do they just see these other kids from Australia, Barbados, America, South Africa...

I forgot to mention - there's a South African Biltong, Braai Meats & Grocery Store in Cobham if that helps.

Charley50 · 27/06/2026 22:27

Persephonia1966 · 27/06/2026 22:07

I think if you move away from your original point (about the expat kids and mixing with different nationalities) you will start to see more pushback. Both because some of the details aren't accurate and because people are naturally defensive about their country. Sometimes that comes across (especially from English people) as almost offended that anyone can choose to live elsewhere/that someone saying they like living elsewhere is automatically criticising the UK. But, I would also say as much as your parents attitudes might have changed because they are consuming more social media/traditional media than real life... That might be affecting your views of the UK as well. I've seen it happen with expat people (I've lived abroad myself) where their main source of info on the UK is the news which isn't always everything... Eg during the awful riots after Southport my friend was in the centre of Birmingham and it was all fine. Like an advert for multiculturalism. That's at the exact same time people were setting fire to bins elsewhere. Thats not to downplay how awful the riots were to the people directly affected OR for minorites who would have felt a lot less safe after. It's not OK. But my other friend in another country messaged me to ask if we were OK. Because the news makes it seem like the city was on fire.

Basically, when you live elsewhere you do lose the ability to "know" the country well. Not through any fault. Just that you see snapshots when you visit or (mostly negative) news stories. The same factors that are making your parents small minded (and kinda racist) are thinking that they have the whole picture of a world they aren't fully imersed in. There is a sort of "expat small mindedness" as well. Essentially we are all in bubbles at the end of the day.

Not suggesting you should move back! You and your kids sound like you have a great life BTW. But I noticed people I knew becoming unnecessarily jaded with their home countries when I lived abroad or upset by the fact the country changed without them. It's a known phenomenon.

By the ‘awful riots after Southport’ you mean small pockets of rioting due to anger at the horrifically barbaric and devastating murder of three little girls and attempted murder of all the other girls and teachers in a holiday dance club? What the hell!!

And I don’t think Birmingham is the happy multicultural nirvana you seem to think it is.

PrettyPickle · 27/06/2026 22:28

I don’t think your parents’ issue is actually Dubai, the school, the accents or the class photo. I think they’re frightened. Not of multiculturalism itself, but of being left behind by grandchildren who are growing up in a world they don’t recognise.

They imagined/hoped having grandchildren who lived down the road, went to the same sort of schools you did, sounded like you did, and grew up with the same reference points.

Instead they’ve got confident, international children who feel at home everywhere. That’s a wonderful thing but it’s outside your parents’ frame of reference, and they’re interpreting that difference as “loss”. They feel they are missing out and can't join in, as its a world they know nothing about. Its fear of the unknown and not knowing how to compete for lack of a better word.

The comments about accents, “non‑English children”, “rich international kids”, even the hypothetical future daughter‑in‑law, none of that is really about your sons. It’s about your parents worrying that they won’t be able to relate, won’t be understood, and won’t be central in your children’s lives. Rather than saying “we’re scared we’ll be irrelevant”, they’re packaging it as criticism of your choices.

That doesn’t excuse the prejudice. Some of what they’ve said is unpleasant and narrow‑minded, and you’re right to push back. But the emotional root is fear, not malice.

Your children sound happy, grounded, socially confident and adaptable. They’re gaining skills and perspectives that will serve them brilliantly as adults. There is nothing “less British” about them, they simply have a wider world.

You’re allowed to say, calmly and firmly: “We’re not moving back. The boys are thriving here. They know they’re British, they know where we come from, and they love seeing you. Their lives look different from ours at that age, but that doesn’t mean they’re losing anything.”

You can acknowledge their feelings without validating the racist undertones. And you don’t need to feel guilty for choosing the life that works for your family.

Tauranga · 27/06/2026 22:29

mynameiscalypso · 27/06/2026 20:40

I do find it such a bizarre view not least as my DS goes to a state school in London and I’m not sure that there is another white-British child in his year.

Are you happy with this?
What other country, ( non European) would you see this occur?
India?
Nigeria?
Pakistan?
Etc

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 27/06/2026 22:29

Your parents have not kept up with modern life and just don’t understand the life you and your family lead, because it is so different from the way the have led their lives. Unfortunately I doubt very much if they’re going to change now.

(But tbh, as you are presumably not too bothered about the human rights abuses in Dubai, I'm not sure you’re in a position to criticise them too much.)

WilfredsPies · 27/06/2026 22:29

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:06

I didn’t come here to say that I am my perfect or that I am a good person for living in Dubai. I’m certainly aware

This is quite a good point actually. Do you have help at home? Do your friends? If so, is that help from Emiratis? Or are you all taking advantage of women from impoverished countries who have left their own families and children to come and look after yours? You know how non Emiratis from poor countries are treated in Dubai. How have you got the nerve to think you’re any better than your parents?

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 22:30

Also, your children will pay international uni fees. It's not about British citizenship, but settled and residential factors ("ordinarily resident in the UK"). I'm addition to being born in the UK, they need to have lived in the UK for the 3 years before their course starts.

Happytap · 27/06/2026 22:30

Calling yourself an expat rather than an immigrant is racist and old fashioned - so you might want to think about stones and glass houses OP.

Come to think of it Dubai is built on slave labour and racism so you might be doing more harm than your parents in terms of paying into the system.

Persephonia1966 · 27/06/2026 22:30

Charley50 · 27/06/2026 22:27

By the ‘awful riots after Southport’ you mean small pockets of rioting due to anger at the horrifically barbaric and devastating murder of three little girls and attempted murder of all the other girls and teachers in a holiday dance club? What the hell!!

And I don’t think Birmingham is the happy multicultural nirvana you seem to think it is.

I am sure everywhere except where I was in Birmingham was a hideous crime ridden dump. However, I've always been lucky in my visits to wind up in the very few places that are peaceful and full of the "good" sort of polite and helpful minority groups.
The murder of the three girls was awful. I'm just not sure how trying to set fire to a hotel full of completely unconnected people or throwing bricks at policemen helped.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:31

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 22:23

To me, OP you're a lot worse than your parents. They've said terrible things, but you actively support a regime that does terrible things. Modern slavery, forced labour, women's lack of rights, capital punishment etc. Every shopping centre and cafe and school you go to, is built from that system and is maintained because of that system. The person who cleans the streets has zero rights.

But you stay because it's undeniably a nice lifestyle for you and you family. But is it any different to the colonials if the past? Just because you keep saying you understand Dubai isn't perfect doesn't actually change the fact you benefit hugely from it and wouldn't actually do anything to change it because it would upset the apple cart.

Can I ask what you think it worse? You or your parents?

I agree I’m not going to sit here and disagree whilst I live a very privileged life here in Dubai. I’ve lived in many places temporarily, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Singapore, Qatar, Houston because of work. We have settled in Dubai now because the children are at school now. We will most likely move back when they’re in year 10 or so they’ll sit their GCSEs here and they’ll still sit the IB exams instead of Alevels as they can do that in England. This is because of their fee status if they decide to go to university in the uk we want them to have options for all I know they might wang to go to America or Netherlands for university etc but we want to give them the option of England too.

I know I am not a beacon of liberal values at all considering the path I chose. I could have gone into charity work and I chose money. I’m human some humans are better than other but I’m definitely not perfect and maybe I am worse than my parents in some ways due to where I chose to live.

I am not going to sit here and disagree with all those judging us for choosing to settle here. I completely agree we are also part of the problem. I think people are making assumptions from my post about us so I’ll be clear. I know we are part of the problem in Dubai.

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mynameiscalypso · 27/06/2026 22:31

Tauranga · 27/06/2026 22:29

Are you happy with this?
What other country, ( non European) would you see this occur?
India?
Nigeria?
Pakistan?
Etc

Yes. I have no issue with this. There’s a massive variety of different nationalities. His best friends are Spanish, Japanese and Chinese. It’s a diverse, inclusive and welcoming environment.

usernamealreadytaken · 27/06/2026 22:31

It sounds as though you are doing the best you can for your children, and they have a nice, privileged lifestyle.

I can see why you don’t like the attitude that your parents have towards your children and their classmates, but you can bet your bottom dollar that many of the grandparents in Singapore, China, Barbados and the rest of the world have similar views; most long-standing homogeneous societies are based on similar views - that preserving their way of life is a good thing. I’m not in a position to pass judgement on whether that’s a good or bad thing, only to point out that it’s a thing, and it’s not exclusive to your parents.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:32

Happytap · 27/06/2026 22:30

Calling yourself an expat rather than an immigrant is racist and old fashioned - so you might want to think about stones and glass houses OP.

Come to think of it Dubai is built on slave labour and racism so you might be doing more harm than your parents in terms of paying into the system.

A few posts after I said I was an immigrant. I also acknowledge that we are migrants.

Sorry I used the term ‘expat’ that’s what most here use my bad.

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TrishM80 · 27/06/2026 22:32

You're not an "exPat", you're an economic migrant.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:34

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 22:30

Also, your children will pay international uni fees. It's not about British citizenship, but settled and residential factors ("ordinarily resident in the UK"). I'm addition to being born in the UK, they need to have lived in the UK for the 3 years before their course starts.

They won’t need to as we will move back before they sit their igcses or IB most likely gcse. We’ve looked into it and I have family who migrated to Singapore for work and their children pay home fees.

They might not even want to attend university in England they might want to go to America or other European countries so they’ll have to pay international fees. We have saved up for university for them if they choose to attend university.

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:34

TrishM80 · 27/06/2026 22:32

You're not an "exPat", you're an economic migrant.

I agree

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Kalanthe · 27/06/2026 22:36

Your parents had their own children to raise as they please.

Don’t waste time on analysing what they’re saying and just ignore them. You do what you think is best for your family

WilfredsPies · 27/06/2026 22:38

I am not going to sit here and disagree with all those judging us for choosing to settle here. I completely agree we are also part of the problem. I think people are making assumptions from my post about us so I’ll be clear. I know we are part of the problem in Dubai

So what response are you expecting, other than to be told that you’re just a giant hypocrite and no better than your parents? At least they seem to be keeping their thoughts within the family rather than actively taking advantage of other nationalities cheap labour.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:39

I agree we are immigrants. In the original post I might have said ‘expat’ it is a term everyone uses but within my responses at the start I did say we are migrants.

Everyone relax. We don’t even have citizenship here. DH and I + the kids only have British citizenship, British passports, none of us have dual citizenship. DH and I will certainly not have dual citizenship in our lifetime. We have lived in predominantly places where you don’t just get citizenship no matter how long you’ve lived there for instance Singapore.

OP posts:
ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:39

WilfredsPies · 27/06/2026 22:38

I am not going to sit here and disagree with all those judging us for choosing to settle here. I completely agree we are also part of the problem. I think people are making assumptions from my post about us so I’ll be clear. I know we are part of the problem in Dubai

So what response are you expecting, other than to be told that you’re just a giant hypocrite and no better than your parents? At least they seem to be keeping their thoughts within the family rather than actively taking advantage of other nationalities cheap labour.

I agree I didn’t come here to argue at all

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Cailleach1 · 27/06/2026 22:39

I’m not quite sure your parents are racist. I suspect they do miss you all. I’m not sure it is fair to lambast people who were brought up to think there are ‘proper’ ways of doing things. Such as having children when married. Difficult though it may seem, they probably think they are ‘guiding’ you. They are the product of a time and a place, and I’m sure their prejudices fade to nothing in comparison to the ideas of what is good and proper amongst many/most of the parents of the local population in Dubai.

Your children seem to be having a wonderful education. It is lovely for them to meet and mix with children of other international workers. And, I suspect a very privileged life which does cushion you somewhat from the reality of the country in which you reside.

However, if you are concerned about your children soaking up racism/racist ideas from their environment, you reside in a perfect state to point out how dreadful it is. You could point out the democratic deficit in an autocratic state which is ruled by a monarchy. They have workers from many impoverished (many south Asian) countries which they exploit to such an extent that it has been called a form of modern slavery. So, very real racism damaging the lives of this exploited underclass.

Now, I know the UK is going through political turmoil at the moment, and are having problems in keeping a PM, but it is a universe away from some truly dreadful countries around the world which happily march on, baldly and unapologetically committing their human rights abuses.

iwishtoo · 27/06/2026 22:41

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 22:30

Also, your children will pay international uni fees. It's not about British citizenship, but settled and residential factors ("ordinarily resident in the UK"). I'm addition to being born in the UK, they need to have lived in the UK for the 3 years before their course starts.

And unless OP has paid UK tax -unlikely - then they should be paying international fees. But wait, OP has a plan to get round that ...

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 22:44

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:34

They won’t need to as we will move back before they sit their igcses or IB most likely gcse. We’ve looked into it and I have family who migrated to Singapore for work and their children pay home fees.

They might not even want to attend university in England they might want to go to America or other European countries so they’ll have to pay international fees. We have saved up for university for them if they choose to attend university.

So you've paid no tax in the UK (or Dubai) for the entirety of your children's life, but are coming back to ensure you wouldn't have to pay full fees in the UK, but that the taxpayer funds it? I get it that most people try to get the best out a the system when it comes to their children (it's a very normal instinct), but you can see why this rankles.

I instinctively hate the idea of a wealth tax, but I can see the value in the US system where you have to pay tax to the US on your wages if you hold US citizenship/passport. I think a lot of people agree that you should pay into a system to take back out of it.

Op, I get that you're not some ogre, but I imagine your parents aren't either. They may hold the same views I hold about you or they may just desperately miss their grandchildren (and you) and feel they have no cultural connection to them. Added with some racism. But I'd say you've been propping up racism and violence, and actively ignoring that for wealth, as a migrant in too.

WilfredsPies · 27/06/2026 22:45

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:39

I agree I didn’t come here to argue at all

Fair enough. I’ve changed my vote to YABU. You’re far, far worse than your parents and you’ve got no room to judge them. It’s laughable that you’re looking down your nose at them for simply being unfamiliar with such a diverse place. Or at least, a diverse place as far as the people with money are concerned.

I wonder what your DC will make of you and your DH when they get old enough to understand the economic slavery that you knowingly participated in.

BreakingBroken · 27/06/2026 22:45

the thing is @ForCyanShaker until your children resettle in a different area/country than you, an area/country not easily accessible by transport due to money or time you will not realize how they feel or where they are coming from.
you think it's racist i think it's hurt.
what will you do if your son/daughter brings someone home and moves to greenland? this said when you are on a limited pension with only the ability to visit once a year. you suggest you will celebrate this but the loneliness of adult children no longer being in your life is painful.
they may express this awkwardly but look beyond the words to the sentiment.