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AIBU to think my parents are ignorant & somewhat racist ???

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:02

DH and I are both mid 40s. We moved to Dubai nearly 18 years ago for jobs, what was meant to be temporary became permanent, and we’ve built our lives here. We are still British, still expats, but very settled.

Our children were both born in Singapore as we were there for work for a while too. They’re British citizens but have never lived in the UK. We visit 6 or so times a fear. Frequent enough for them to somewhat know England or at least know where DH and I are from/grew up. They’ve done all the sightseeing, London eye, Scotland, Wales, Cotswolds, Cornwall etc they’ve been UK

They attend an international school here which is academically strong and well regarded. It’s also affiliated in various ways with UK private schools and a lot of the teaching staff are British. It follows a fairly rigorous curriculum, and many students go on to UK universities.

But the reality of the school is that it’s very international, as you’d expect. Their friendship group includes children from England, Scotland, America, Barbados, Bermuda, South Africa, Australia, India and many other countries. That’s just their normal.

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

We’ve also had similar reactions to other things. We sent a photo from my eldest son’s birthday recently around 20 children at a party here. Again, instead of being happy, the comments were about how it must be “just rich international kids” and that this isn’t a normal upbringing, and that we should be coming back to England.

The same narrative keeps coming up: that the children are “barely English anymore”, don’t sound English, don’t understand England properly, and that we’re somehow denying them a “proper British childhood”.
Even the accents get mentioned, they don’t have traditional English accents, more of an ‘international school’ accent despite DH and I having very southern England accents , which apparently is another concern.

What I struggle with is that from our perspective, none of this is negative.
My children are happy, confident, well educated, and very comfortable around people from all backgrounds. They don’t really think in terms of nationality in the way I grew up doing. They just see friends.

They are very well travelled, have lived this international lifestyle all their lives, and are completely at ease in multicultural environments. I actually see that as a strength rather than something missing.

But my parents seem to view it as a loss, like they’ve ended up with grandchildren who are somehow less “British” than they expected, and that this needs correcting by moving back.

They’re also very keen for us to return to the UK permanently, offering to buy us a house in cobham, but we simply don’t want to. I grew up in cobham, I don’t want to live there now. We have a good life here, we feel safe, the children are thriving, and we’re not ready to leave.

I grew up in Surrey and part of me does remember how small and insular things could feel, and I don’t think I want to go back to that for my children.

I feel guilty because I understand they miss us and want us closer, especially as they get older. But I also feel frustrated that everything about our children’s lives here is being framed as “wrong” or “less British”.

First it was ‘when are you two going to have children’ now I don’t think they love our children. They’re not willing to accept them. They’re still young, we can move back to the England and they’ll get an English accent but we don’t want to and also why does it matter. There’s more things my parents have said. Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

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ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 21:58

I wonder how your parents or UK friends view you? You're living a life where particular demographics are servants (almost slaves) with zero rights. Your children don't go to the local school, don't mix with locals and if be interested if they speak Arabic? Your children are in schools for the rich that will let you have Western freedom of expression simply because you're rich. There no democracy, women's rights or humans right equivalent to how you grew up, but you can avoid the impact on you and your family because of your wealth. But not the general population.

Lets add not paying tax in the UK, but keeping your British passports. If anything went wrong you'd want the British system to help. Everyone who has problems overseas is very keen to call upon the system they don't pay into, when they get treated like a local.

You obviously know all this, but you stayed. Your parents may have not worded any of it well (and I don't agree with what they've said) but you can't exactly claim to be a beacon of liberal values. I'm sorry this sounds harsh but it might be worth viewing it as an outsider?

MNLurker1345 · 27/06/2026 21:58

Your children are international!

We live in a predominantly white English area of the SE of England.

We are a mixed family, black, white and mixed.

We are able to send our DGC to private school and in their school there are children from England, Hong Kong, North Korea, Ukraine, Russia, Africa, America, Spain, the Caribbean and more.

In the area we live in this would not be represented in the state’s schools.

The exposure your children have should be celebrated. Your parents have their views, they are English, they are not international,
like you.

Don’t let your parents experience dim or affect your children’s life experience, encourage your children to embrace the diversity they have in the UK and everywhere.

Clavinova · 27/06/2026 21:58

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 21:19

I heard that he was overworked, long hours etc so was probably using that to help as the overdose wasn’t on purpose. Not trying to spread misinformation at all. I see stuff all the time about junior doctors, I have a niece who is a junior doctor she is planning to move to Australia in the next year due to her experience in England as a doctor. She wants to try another place and if it’s similar she is willing to quit medicine and go something else. She’s 25 and has already lost hope and slightly regrets studying medicine albeit still passionate about it.

Regardless no where is completely perfect but I still stand by my case on England currently being unstable. The MP situation is not great at all in the last ten years number 10 should not have had that many PMs that’s unstable.

I am not trying to spread misinformation. I live in Dubai of course I’m not trying to spread misinformation. I live in a place that is kept up by slavery essentially and I am well aware of that but DH and I were very young and did not have many opportunities in England. We had better opportunities than the new grads in England have right now but still it wasn’t enough for us. We planned to come back but then just got settled and had more opportunities to work in other countries temporarily.

I heard that he was overworked, long hours etc so was probably using that to help as the overdose wasn’t on purpose.

The consultant in anaesthesia and pain medicine had organised his work schedule to serve his contracted hours together, to enable him to take extended periods away from work to care for his parents in Pakistan.

https://www.doctors.net.uk/news/coroner-raises-concerns-over-doctors-long-hours-after-consultant-death

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 21:59

It’s racism. Please don’t come on here saying that it’s not. This is honestly quite shocking.

I believe it’s racism to ask your daughter what she will do if her son brings home someone who isn’t English. That’s not even ignorant that’s just racism and bigoted and quite disgusting. I don’t want my children thinking that way is that so bad that I don’t really care who my child brings home so long as they’re not a criminal and treat each other well why does their race, nationality or ethnicity even matter.

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Imdunfer · 27/06/2026 21:59

I just read your first post and thought "those lucky, lucky children".

Your parents are so focused on their own loss of access to your lives and their grandchildren that they've lost the plot. And definitely racist!

ThisKookyExpert · 27/06/2026 22:01

The comment your parents made about one of your children potentially marrying someone not English, was actually what if they marry a brown person. Your parents are racist and prejudiced. I shared a flat with a girl from a small village in Bedfordshire at university, when I was moving in her parents were there, and as my Dad walked into the kitchen of our student flat they heard his Irish accent and they stormed out of the kitchen. I’d never seen such blatant racism before and these were apparently nice middle class white people . Years later the same uni friend told me her parents were horrified because her brother was dating “a single mother” her remark about this was “at least she isn’t black” . I graduated that year and never spoke to her again . I think inside a family it can be hard to see what is so very obvious to other people . Your parents should stay in their narrow minded little village and leave everyone alone .

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:03

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 21:58

I wonder how your parents or UK friends view you? You're living a life where particular demographics are servants (almost slaves) with zero rights. Your children don't go to the local school, don't mix with locals and if be interested if they speak Arabic? Your children are in schools for the rich that will let you have Western freedom of expression simply because you're rich. There no democracy, women's rights or humans right equivalent to how you grew up, but you can avoid the impact on you and your family because of your wealth. But not the general population.

Lets add not paying tax in the UK, but keeping your British passports. If anything went wrong you'd want the British system to help. Everyone who has problems overseas is very keen to call upon the system they don't pay into, when they get treated like a local.

You obviously know all this, but you stayed. Your parents may have not worded any of it well (and I don't agree with what they've said) but you can't exactly claim to be a beacon of liberal values. I'm sorry this sounds harsh but it might be worth viewing it as an outsider?

I haven’t said to be a beacon of liberal values I just don’t think it’s right for them to comment on the kids ethnicities/nationality or races in a school photo.

You are 100% right. I didn’t come here to say I am a great person or that Dubai is this utopia I recognise that and I agree with all your points.

I can say 100% that my parents do not care about any of the things you’ve mentioned in regards to UAE at all. They’re sheltered people in a very wealthy area of Surrey that’s the last thing on their mind.

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Anyahyacinth · 27/06/2026 22:03

Dont you have to accept racism to live in Dubai? It has a slave class and scary human rights record
They sound racist but you've overlooked an awful lot too OP

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:03

Clavinova · 27/06/2026 21:58

I heard that he was overworked, long hours etc so was probably using that to help as the overdose wasn’t on purpose.

The consultant in anaesthesia and pain medicine had organised his work schedule to serve his contracted hours together, to enable him to take extended periods away from work to care for his parents in Pakistan.

https://www.doctors.net.uk/news/coroner-raises-concerns-over-doctors-long-hours-after-consultant-death

Thanks will take a read

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Attictroll · 27/06/2026 22:03

I think one of the things happening as well…and I am seeing it in my parents and their friends is the rise of reform means people feel more able to say racist things they perhaps wouldn’t have let’s say pre 10 years ago. My brother lives outside the uk and has been shocked after my dad’s extended visit at the racism and nationalism. It’s very sad

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:06

Anyahyacinth · 27/06/2026 22:03

Dont you have to accept racism to live in Dubai? It has a slave class and scary human rights record
They sound racist but you've overlooked an awful lot too OP

Edited

I didn’t come here to say that I am my perfect or that I am a good person for living in Dubai. I’m certainly aware

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Persephonia1966 · 27/06/2026 22:07

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 21:19

I heard that he was overworked, long hours etc so was probably using that to help as the overdose wasn’t on purpose. Not trying to spread misinformation at all. I see stuff all the time about junior doctors, I have a niece who is a junior doctor she is planning to move to Australia in the next year due to her experience in England as a doctor. She wants to try another place and if it’s similar she is willing to quit medicine and go something else. She’s 25 and has already lost hope and slightly regrets studying medicine albeit still passionate about it.

Regardless no where is completely perfect but I still stand by my case on England currently being unstable. The MP situation is not great at all in the last ten years number 10 should not have had that many PMs that’s unstable.

I am not trying to spread misinformation. I live in Dubai of course I’m not trying to spread misinformation. I live in a place that is kept up by slavery essentially and I am well aware of that but DH and I were very young and did not have many opportunities in England. We had better opportunities than the new grads in England have right now but still it wasn’t enough for us. We planned to come back but then just got settled and had more opportunities to work in other countries temporarily.

I think if you move away from your original point (about the expat kids and mixing with different nationalities) you will start to see more pushback. Both because some of the details aren't accurate and because people are naturally defensive about their country. Sometimes that comes across (especially from English people) as almost offended that anyone can choose to live elsewhere/that someone saying they like living elsewhere is automatically criticising the UK. But, I would also say as much as your parents attitudes might have changed because they are consuming more social media/traditional media than real life... That might be affecting your views of the UK as well. I've seen it happen with expat people (I've lived abroad myself) where their main source of info on the UK is the news which isn't always everything... Eg during the awful riots after Southport my friend was in the centre of Birmingham and it was all fine. Like an advert for multiculturalism. That's at the exact same time people were setting fire to bins elsewhere. Thats not to downplay how awful the riots were to the people directly affected OR for minorites who would have felt a lot less safe after. It's not OK. But my other friend in another country messaged me to ask if we were OK. Because the news makes it seem like the city was on fire.

Basically, when you live elsewhere you do lose the ability to "know" the country well. Not through any fault. Just that you see snapshots when you visit or (mostly negative) news stories. The same factors that are making your parents small minded (and kinda racist) are thinking that they have the whole picture of a world they aren't fully imersed in. There is a sort of "expat small mindedness" as well. Essentially we are all in bubbles at the end of the day.

Not suggesting you should move back! You and your kids sound like you have a great life BTW. But I noticed people I knew becoming unnecessarily jaded with their home countries when I lived abroad or upset by the fact the country changed without them. It's a known phenomenon.

AsiaFlyer · 27/06/2026 22:09

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 21:59

It’s racism. Please don’t come on here saying that it’s not. This is honestly quite shocking.

I believe it’s racism to ask your daughter what she will do if her son brings home someone who isn’t English. That’s not even ignorant that’s just racism and bigoted and quite disgusting. I don’t want my children thinking that way is that so bad that I don’t really care who my child brings home so long as they’re not a criminal and treat each other well why does their race, nationality or ethnicity even matter.

You know your parents and I don't. They may well be racist or it may be a much more understandable concern about culture.

How would they feel about your daughter dating a white Bulgarian or an black British Cobhamite? That's probably a good test of what's driving their concern.

You've lived overseas for many years now, and must know well hundreds of people from dozens of countries (as do I). Did you really take from all that cultural roots or cultural differences don't exist? Do exist but don't matter? Do exist but are only ever fun or superficial, never challenging or meaningful or shaping?

Persephonia1966 · 27/06/2026 22:09

The instability thing is complicated because it's something that happens sometimes in a democracy. The longstanding question is whether the fluctuating instability inherent to democracies is better overall than the stable-until-it-isnt nature of other forms of government. That's not a new question, it's been an issue since the Gordon Riots and probably won't ever by answered fully. But at least with a passport you have options.

keepswimming38 · 27/06/2026 22:10

Why are so many posts on this thread deleted?

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:14

keepswimming38 · 27/06/2026 22:10

Why are so many posts on this thread deleted?

I am actually not sure maybe moderators ? I did think some are being deleted

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Diamond7272 · 27/06/2026 22:16

As my parents have aged they have become more insular and set on routine... With lots of 'nice' older white middle class people in their 70s... Who, yes, I find not that nice at all...

They cling to these people, are panicked by the world, fear an onslaught of people on boats across the channel (which doesn't affect them at all), worry about money when they have plenty, grumble about winter fuel allowances, and so on.

They've changed. A lot.

They have really lost touch with our lives.

Your parents sound further down the line, manipulative, very set in their ways, indulged, judgemental...

I'd stay well clear. In 5 years your kids will have moved on, especially from grandparents, then you'll be stuck in the Cobham waitrose wondering why you and your husband bothered to move at all...

Can you imagine caring for these two???

Slightyamusedandsilly · 27/06/2026 22:16

Be blunt with your parents. Your children aren't British. They are third culture children. Children that are not of the culture of the country they live in, but also not of the culture of their passports/their parents passports.

In the same way most of the children in their school are third culture children, regardless of their skin tone, ethnicity or passport status.

So your children actually fit right in with their peers.

Excellentsausages · 27/06/2026 22:18

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:55

Thank you for the book recommendation I have heard of it I’ll definitely take a look.

We like it here but sometimes we do think maybe we should raise our children in England but they like it here. We are very much settled it’s not as though they can never move in England. If they do decide to go to university, they’ll most likely go to university in England, they’ll pay home fees not international student fees. We have looked into every possibility it is why we come back to England so often to make sure they’re still somewhat connected to the country. They’re essentially only in Dubai because DH and I work here.

I realise this isn't the point of your post but do double check about the international/home fees status when they are applying for university (sounds like you have a few years anyway). Typically British nationals living abroad, attending international schools etc would pay international fees. It's based on residency rather than nationality.

In terms of your question, I have lived abroad a lot and have friends who've been to international schools. I think there's more of an abstract sense of national belonging/identity with international school students - they can fit in to lots of places. It's hard to explain, like maybe a British person would have lots of little memories attaching and tying them to a shared national identity, whereas being British is more abstract when you aren't living there.

i was always a bit jealous of my friends and their lifestyle, their international school friends seemed really confident and interesting. Sorry about your parents' reaction, that's hard to stomach.

HoppityBun · 27/06/2026 22:20

Gwenhwyfar · 27/06/2026 20:48

Yes, I'm a migrant and I've seen this too. Not the case for this family, but some of the families move a lot and that causes problems with putting down roots as an adult. Identity issues also come up with people who've lived in different places or whose parents are from elsewhere. They are sometimes not integrated into their home country, but also not fully understanding their parents' country.

I remember hearing some Prof talk about this on the radio years ago. He call the children Ethnoyars for reasons that I don’t remember. Anyway, his point was that they would go to an expensive boarding school in some part of, for arguments’ sake, the UK. They don’t have much to do with anything outside the locality of their boarding school. They spend skiing holidays in Switzerland or France and summer holidays in say Maine, or Thailand or Italy. The result is that they have no embedded cultural understanding of anywhere and no loyalty to anywhere or feeling of belonging.

Then their university is anywhere worldwide and their jobs are, almost inevitably, in some international financial organisation or some international legal conglomerate or working as nannies for similar international families. They do the rounds of social events through the seasons in different countries and so the cycle continues.

Tauranga · 27/06/2026 22:23

TheGreatDownandOut · 27/06/2026 20:15

Your parents are being totally unreasonable. It sounds to me like your DC are having a wonderful childhood. Do your parents think that being British, having English accents and growing up around British culture is somehow superior?!

You do what’s best for your family OP and if that’s staying where you are, so be it.

The fact is, your children are not having an English upbringing. They will not see England as home. They will see Dubai as home. The smells and food and life they have is foreign to your parents.

Your parents wish their grandkids were English, because they themselves are. That's OK. It's OK for them to like their life and how they brought up their own kids.

You describe where you were brought up as insular. Loads of people are happy surrounded by their own kinds, with strong community, friendships, traditions and family. Your parents may value that and wish that for your children, instead of the more transient expat life.

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 22:23

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 22:03

I haven’t said to be a beacon of liberal values I just don’t think it’s right for them to comment on the kids ethnicities/nationality or races in a school photo.

You are 100% right. I didn’t come here to say I am a great person or that Dubai is this utopia I recognise that and I agree with all your points.

I can say 100% that my parents do not care about any of the things you’ve mentioned in regards to UAE at all. They’re sheltered people in a very wealthy area of Surrey that’s the last thing on their mind.

To me, OP you're a lot worse than your parents. They've said terrible things, but you actively support a regime that does terrible things. Modern slavery, forced labour, women's lack of rights, capital punishment etc. Every shopping centre and cafe and school you go to, is built from that system and is maintained because of that system. The person who cleans the streets has zero rights.

But you stay because it's undeniably a nice lifestyle for you and you family. But is it any different to the colonials if the past? Just because you keep saying you understand Dubai isn't perfect doesn't actually change the fact you benefit hugely from it and wouldn't actually do anything to change it because it would upset the apple cart.

Can I ask what you think it worse? You or your parents?

busybusybusy2015 · 27/06/2026 22:23

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:32

What are the disadvantages? I’m fairly open minded. I don’t necessarily want my children in England right now but still curious of the disadvantages. They’re still quite young so maybe if things got better.

As we do want the best for our children, I don’t believe England is the perfect place. Nowhere is perfect, but certainly not England right now. Seven PMs in 10 years, to me, there seems to be a lot of instability.

I don’t live in England, but I’m from England and I try to keep up politically. I may have the wrong view, but many of my friends have left. A lot of my medic friends have certainly left, as medicine in England is unstable right now. No one seems to appreciate doctors; they’re so overworked. Didn’t one pass away recently in hospital whilst working? I could be wrong but it fairly recent.

I’m also certainly not going to sit here and say Dubai is perfect at all, but I think my children are going to benefit from being expat children. They have lived in Dubai, Singapore, and Hong Kong for a bit, and they are British citizens. They can work around these countries a little bit more easily than someone who has just grown up and lived in the UK.

Young people with British citizenship who have never lived in the UK, hmm. Don't be overconfident about e.g. "home student" fee status at UK universities in 10 years time!! Each UK university makes its own judgment about whether such an applicant is 'home" or 'overseas'. Start keeping a dossier now about all visits and UK connections: down the line you'll almost certainly be asked for this sort of proof (and they absolutely won't be eligible for student loans obvs.). All the places you mention that you have lived/worked in obviously panned out for you but your children would need a work visa for a job in any of those countries. What if they turn out to not be high-flyers, or particularly dynamic, or get arrested for some teenage stupidity, and then no country wants to give them a visa for a bog-standard job? The only country in which they can simply get any old job without paperwork is the UK. A country they may simply dislike enormously as an option, for exactly the reasons you dislike it, and maybe more so because they've never lived there. Their working lives and personal lives could be extremely complex. Having schoolfriends right now from all over the world is brilliant but they'll be scattered across the globe once they leave school. It's really really lonely and isolating sometimes, being British on paper but not culturally English/Scottish/Welsh. Always being an outsider.

Tauranga · 27/06/2026 22:24

scoobysnaxx · 27/06/2026 20:26

Such as?

They belong nowhere

graceinspace999 · 27/06/2026 22:25

ThatShyMoose · 27/06/2026 21:58

I wonder how your parents or UK friends view you? You're living a life where particular demographics are servants (almost slaves) with zero rights. Your children don't go to the local school, don't mix with locals and if be interested if they speak Arabic? Your children are in schools for the rich that will let you have Western freedom of expression simply because you're rich. There no democracy, women's rights or humans right equivalent to how you grew up, but you can avoid the impact on you and your family because of your wealth. But not the general population.

Lets add not paying tax in the UK, but keeping your British passports. If anything went wrong you'd want the British system to help. Everyone who has problems overseas is very keen to call upon the system they don't pay into, when they get treated like a local.

You obviously know all this, but you stayed. Your parents may have not worded any of it well (and I don't agree with what they've said) but you can't exactly claim to be a beacon of liberal values. I'm sorry this sounds harsh but it might be worth viewing it as an outsider?

Yes!

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